4-pot STI calipers

miniAl · 06-11-2003, 10:04 PM

Anyone using 4-pot STI calipers? Only $600 includes the pad, sound like deal? also do I need the STI brake line to used with the caliper?

http://products.nasioc.com/viewProduct.cfm?ProductID=96

Just got my WRX, don't know much about it.

Thanks in advance.
Al

US2JDM · 06-11-2003, 11:16 PM

$600 for the loaded 4-pots is about the going rate. You don't need STi lines, but I'd suggest you get good quality stainless lines. Goodridge ones are great for the price (the STi ones cost about 3-4 times as much).

Have fun!

-Milan

Edit: oh yeah, you're gunna have to run different wheels to fit those brakes (16X7 Subaru wheels from 98-01 the Impreza RS or 17s or larger)

Sonic1 · 06-12-2003, 02:23 AM

Even with 17's you have to watch it for not all will clear then STI 4 pots. I found that out this weekend when I put mine on and put the Enkei RPM 2's back on. The wheel was hitting the caliper. So I had to go to a 3mm spacer to clear the caliper. While I did that I also put on StopTech brake lines on too.

tora · 06-12-2003, 03:23 AM

I'm running 4-pots on my legacy and using Impreza 2.5RS (MY00) wheels. My Sti's were closer to $450USD new with pads. Where are you located? $600 does seem to be the going rate, but you can find better deals if you search.
I love these brakes, I'm sticking some porterfield R4S pads in soon and with the stainless lines and hopefully a MC brace it should be very nice.

Good luck.

miniAl · 06-12-2003, 03:47 AM

tora,

I am located in Van. too. Where did you get your set? As I said before, I am a newbie in Subaru world. I got the price from SubaruWRXparts.com.

Thanks everyone for the reply.

Al

Jerry Hong · 06-12-2003, 12:31 PM

You can check out Total Autosports in North Van.
www.totalautosport.com

Jerry
www.twrracing.com

Benjamin Tang · 06-12-2003, 02:00 PM

i was lucky to get my brakes from tora's source (jerry/total). i ended up cheaping out and using the stock brake lines from my wrx and although they work i am still regretting i didn't buy the matching ss lines they had on offer after i had already installed them

as for wheel clearance i have jdm 17"s so i was lucky there

Kean · 06-12-2003, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sonic1
Even with 17's you have to watch it for not all will clear then STI 4 pots. I found that out this weekend when I put mine on and put the Enkei RPM 2's back on. The wheel was hitting the caliper. So I had to go to a 3mm spacer to clear the caliper. While I did that I also put on StopTech brake lines on too.

What was the orginal offset?

subysouth · 06-12-2003, 04:51 PM

Tora, Ben and Jerry, I am a little confused. Are you guys saying that the 2 sites listed above sell Subaru STi 4pots for $450 new? All I could find on those sites were some excellent looking forged aluminum calipers. What gives???

ss

tora · 06-12-2003, 05:18 PM

Yes, Total (if you contact them) has access to Sti 4-pots for 450-550 new depending on exchange rate....they are in Canada.

omahasubaru · 06-12-2003, 05:33 PM

I'd like to buy a set of the Subaru 4 piston calipers right now if I could get them for $450 new!

tora · 06-12-2003, 07:33 PM

What's the present exchange rate between Canadian and US dollars?

Jaxx · 06-12-2003, 08:13 PM

1usd=1.34cad

tora · 06-12-2003, 09:46 PM

Then right now they would be closer to $550USD. When I bought they were $450USD.

DieselClown · 06-12-2003, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by US2JDM
$600 for the loaded 4-pots is about the going rate. You don't need STi lines, but I'd suggest you get good quality stainless lines. Goodridge ones are great for the price (the STi ones cost about 3-4 times as much).

Have fun!

-Milan

Edit: oh yeah, you're gunna have to run different wheels to fit those brakes (16X7 Subaru wheels from 98-01 the Impreza RS or 17s or larger)

cant he just fit spacers to clear the stock 16's? im concerned about that too when i do this.

Sonic1 · 06-13-2003, 01:44 AM

48 should be the offset that is on the Enkei's that I have.

Benjamin Tang · 06-13-2003, 03:14 AM

i think the maximum width allowable with stock wheel studs is less than 5mm, which i read somewhere is not enough. sometimes fitting spacers can introduce a host of other problems, from insufficient thread depth in the lug nuts because the wheel studs are not long enough to compensate for the spacers, to hub centricity in which the wheel actually wobbles on the hub spacer.

tora · 06-13-2003, 04:27 AM

Very true. Even if you get longer studs you can dun into problems because they start taking a lot more of the stresses put out by the wheel instead of the hubs. A 5mm spacer on a 53ET wheel shouldn't pose any problems. You've still got enough thread depth for your NUTS. You've also still got a good portion of the hub left for the wheel to rest on. Hub-centric spacers are also a bonus if you can get them.

US2JDM · 06-13-2003, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DieselClown
cant he just fit spacers to clear the stock 16's? im concerned about that too when i do this.

Not a good idea. As other people mentioned, you can only get a few mm w/ the stock wheel studs, and that's not going to be enough. Even if you spaced them out 1/2", who knows if the spoke design would even be compatible?

There are a few sets of 98-01 RS wheels for sale if you poke around on the board a bit. Or just upgrade to compatible 17s (it's one of the best handling mods out there and looks nicer!).

omahasubaru · 06-13-2003, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tora
Then right now they would be closer to $550USD. When I bought they were $450USD.

Guess I'll have to keep an eye on exchange rates for a while

Shipping probablly is a bit more than buying in the US though.

Z1 Performance · 06-13-2003, 01:24 PM

The easy solution (and nets you the same overall results) is a good set of Pads (Hawk HPS, Carbotech, etc.) and a good set of braided lines...and a heck of a lot cheaper than the Subaru 4 pots (which though its a 4 piston caliper, the pad itself is really not much larger than the stock pad, and that is largely what determines the overall performance, though the feel is a bit better with the 4 pistons)

Adam

Benjamin Tang · 06-13-2003, 02:20 PM

i don't know what other people think about this but i chose not to go with an agressive pad because of how they eat rotors (which aren't cheap either... but then neither is buying new wheels) and some dust badly and corrode wheel finishes... or is it just me?

US2JDM · 06-13-2003, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Benjamin Tang
i don't know what other people think about this but i chose not to go with an agressive pad because of how they eat rotors (which aren't cheap either... but then neither is buying new wheels) and some dust badly and corrode wheel finishes... or is it just me?

Yes, aggressive pads are generally hard on rotors and dust like crazy. There's just no substitute for the greater physical clamping force that more piston area affords.

tora · 06-13-2003, 03:12 PM

Ben I'm running Porterfield R4S right now and having no problems. I think a lot of it has to do with driving style as well.
Z1, you can't tell me that a good set of pads and lines with a single piston caliper and 10.3 inch rotors will offer equal braking performance to Sti 4-pots with 11.3inch rotors as well as lines and good pads. That's the change I made and the difference is huge. We have guys that have gone from 2-pots and notice significant change.

xjohnx · 06-14-2003, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by US2JDM

Yes, aggressive pads are generally hard on rotors and dust like crazy. There's just no substitute for the greater physical clamping force that more piston area affords.

More clamping force is good, when you don't have enough to lock up the brakes, but once you have that much (i.e., stock brakes), more clamping force just locks the breaks up sooner.

06-11-2003, 10:04 PM	#1
miniAl Scooby Newbie Member#: 38140 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vancouver, Canada	Help-4-pot STI calipers Anyone using 4-pot STI calipers? Only $600 includes the pad, sound like deal? also do I need the STI brake line to used with the caliper? http://products.nasioc.com/viewProduct.cfm?ProductID=96 Just got my WRX, don't know much about it. Thanks in advance. Al

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06-11-2003, 11:16 PM	#2
US2JDM Scooby Guru Member#: 5893 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: E. Canada Location: Fairport, NY Vehicle: 1997 Black GC4 1995 White BK6	$600 for the loaded 4-pots is about the going rate. You don't need STi lines, but I'd suggest you get good quality stainless lines. Goodridge ones are great for the price (the STi ones cost about 3-4 times as much). Have fun! -Milan Edit: oh yeah, you're gunna have to run different wheels to fit those brakes (16X7 Subaru wheels from 98-01 the Impreza RS or 17s or larger)

06-12-2003, 02:23 AM	#3
Sonic1 Scooby Newbie Member#: 23974 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Arizona Vehicle: 2003 WRX Wagon Sonic Yellow	Even with 17's you have to watch it for not all will clear then STI 4 pots. I found that out this weekend when I put mine on and put the Enkei RPM 2's back on. The wheel was hitting the caliper. So I had to go to a 3mm spacer to clear the caliper. While I did that I also put on StopTech brake lines on too.

06-12-2003, 03:23 AM	#4
tora Scooby Guru Member#: 5851 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 09 Forester XT + NA Miata	I'm running 4-pots on my legacy and using Impreza 2.5RS (MY00) wheels. My Sti's were closer to $450USD new with pads. Where are you located? $600 does seem to be the going rate, but you can find better deals if you search. I love these brakes, I'm sticking some porterfield R4S pads in soon and with the stainless lines and hopefully a MC brace it should be very nice. Good luck.

06-12-2003, 03:47 AM	#5
miniAl Scooby Newbie Member#: 38140 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vancouver, Canada	tora, I am located in Van. too. Where did you get your set? As I said before, I am a newbie in Subaru world. I got the price from SubaruWRXparts.com. Thanks everyone for the reply. Al

06-12-2003, 12:31 PM	#6
Jerry Hong Scooby Newbie Member#: 6513 Join Date: May 2001	You can check out Total Autosports in North Van. www.totalautosport.com Jerry www.twrracing.com

06-12-2003, 02:00 PM	#7
Benjamin Tang Scooby Guru Member#: 4496 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: British Columbia Canada Vehicle: 2009 Forester red	i was lucky to get my brakes from tora's source (jerry/total). i ended up cheaping out and using the stock brake lines from my wrx and although they work i am still regretting i didn't buy the matching ss lines they had on offer after i had already installed them as for wheel clearance i have jdm 17"s so i was lucky there

06-12-2003, 04:51 PM	#9
subysouth Scooby Guru Member#: 5039 Join Date: Mar 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Ocean Springs, MS Vehicle: 1997 Legacy GT Wagon Navy Blue - sold:-(	Tora, Ben and Jerry, I am a little confused. Are you guys saying that the 2 sites listed above sell Subaru STi 4pots for $450 new? All I could find on those sites were some excellent looking forged aluminum calipers. What gives??? ss

06-12-2003, 05:18 PM	#10
tora Scooby Guru Member#: 5851 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 09 Forester XT + NA Miata	Yes, Total (if you contact them) has access to Sti 4-pots for 450-550 new depending on exchange rate....they are in Canada.

06-12-2003, 05:33 PM	#11
omahasubaru Scooby Guru Member#: 1594 Join Date: Jun 2000 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Gretna, NE	I'd like to buy a set of the Subaru 4 piston calipers right now if I could get them for $450 new!

06-12-2003, 07:33 PM	#12
tora Scooby Guru Member#: 5851 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 09 Forester XT + NA Miata	What's the present exchange rate between Canadian and US dollars?

06-12-2003, 08:13 PM	#13
Jaxx NASIOC Supporter Member#: 177 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Boise,Idaho,USA Vehicle: The FHI addiction-> 93 WRX, 07 FXTS, 08 FXS	1usd=1.34cad

06-12-2003, 09:46 PM	#14
tora Scooby Guru Member#: 5851 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 09 Forester XT + NA Miata	Then right now they would be closer to $550USD. When I bought they were $450USD.

06-13-2003, 01:44 AM	#16
Sonic1 Scooby Newbie Member#: 23974 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Arizona Vehicle: 2003 WRX Wagon Sonic Yellow	48 should be the offset that is on the Enkei's that I have.

06-13-2003, 03:14 AM	#17
Benjamin Tang Scooby Guru Member#: 4496 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: British Columbia Canada Vehicle: 2009 Forester red	i think the maximum width allowable with stock wheel studs is less than 5mm, which i read somewhere is not enough. sometimes fitting spacers can introduce a host of other problems, from insufficient thread depth in the lug nuts because the wheel studs are not long enough to compensate for the spacers, to hub centricity in which the wheel actually wobbles on the hub spacer.

06-13-2003, 04:27 AM	#18
tora Scooby Guru Member#: 5851 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 09 Forester XT + NA Miata	Very true. Even if you get longer studs you can dun into problems because they start taking a lot more of the stresses put out by the wheel instead of the hubs. A 5mm spacer on a 53ET wheel shouldn't pose any problems. You've still got enough thread depth for your NUTS. You've also still got a good portion of the hub left for the wheel to rest on. Hub-centric spacers are also a bonus if you can get them.

06-13-2003, 01:24 PM	#21
Z1 Performance NASIOC Vendor Member#: 9327 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Z1Auto.com	The easy solution (and nets you the same overall results) is a good set of Pads (Hawk HPS, Carbotech, etc.) and a good set of braided lines...and a heck of a lot cheaper than the Subaru 4 pots (which though its a 4 piston caliper, the pad itself is really not much larger than the stock pad, and that is largely what determines the overall performance, though the feel is a bit better with the 4 pistons) Adam

06-13-2003, 02:20 PM	#22
Benjamin Tang Scooby Guru Member#: 4496 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: British Columbia Canada Vehicle: 2009 Forester red	i don't know what other people think about this but i chose not to go with an agressive pad because of how they eat rotors (which aren't cheap either... but then neither is buying new wheels) and some dust badly and corrode wheel finishes... or is it just me?

06-13-2003, 03:12 PM	#24
tora Scooby Guru Member#: 5851 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 09 Forester XT + NA Miata	Ben I'm running Porterfield R4S right now and having no problems. I think a lot of it has to do with driving style as well. Z1, you can't tell me that a good set of pads and lines with a single piston caliper and 10.3 inch rotors will offer equal braking performance to Sti 4-pots with 11.3inch rotors as well as lines and good pads. That's the change I made and the difference is huge. We have guys that have gone from 2-pots and notice significant change.