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Old 06-13-2003, 04:49 PM   #1
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So I did an engine swap for my brother because he blew the motor in his metro. Everything is all in and hooked up, but it won't start. When I turn the key I can hear the fuel pump running, but the starter does nothing. I checked all of the connections, and they seem good. I thought of the starter selenoid but that worked just fine before the swap so seems weird for that not to work all of a sudden. I also checked the voltage on the wire that runs from the battery to the starter selenoid, but it is a proper voltage. When you turn the key, no voltage reaches the other terminal on the selenoid like it is supposed to though. So what do you guys think? Oh yeah, I checked all of the relevant fuses and they are good to. Please help, I am stumped!

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Old 06-13-2003, 05:42 PM   #2
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Clean the all posts that make contact.Sometimes corrosion or dirt can set in after time has past from non-use.

Also make sure your negative contacts are contacting properly.

Third make sure your grounds are grounded.

I hope this helps

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Old 06-13-2003, 06:40 PM   #3
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make sure the battery has a good charge first.
will it start if you short the starter solenoid with a screwdriver?

uhmm im sure there is more stuff i could think of if i hadn't just woken up....
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Old 06-13-2003, 10:05 PM   #4
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I assume the replacement engine can be turned with a socket on the crank...
If it is a manual you can try pop starting it.
The screwdriver on the solenoid is a good one if all else fails.
Double check you didn't leave something obvious off, like a wire here or there.
Depending on the style of the starter there might be a couple of "small" terminal posts on it & you hooked to the wrong one.

eh, it's a metro.... cut the floor out & push with your feet.
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Old 06-14-2003, 02:07 AM   #5
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Now that I think about it, there was one connection that isn't connected to anything. It is female connection that looks like it could plug on to a piece of metal and be a ground. I never manually disconnected it, so I figured that it went to an option that wasn't on the car. It could have very well been connected something and just popped of when I was taking off all of the other wires. It is located right in the area of the starter, so should I just look for a terminal around there to plug it on to?

Thanks for the suggestions, usually when I get stuck I need someone who hasn't been working on it to give me ideas!

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Old 06-14-2003, 03:36 AM   #6
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Heh, that sounds like it's likely the trigger for the starter from the ignition. Check to see if there is a spade connector on the back of the starter for it to connect to.
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Old 06-14-2003, 03:45 AM   #7
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Now that I think about it, there was one connection that isn't connected to anything. It is female connection that looks like it could plug on to a piece of metal and be a ground. I never manually disconnected it, so I figured that it went to an option that wasn't on the car. It could have very well been connected something and just popped of when I was taking off all of the other wires. It is located right in the area of the starter, so should I just look for a terminal around there to plug it on to?

Thanks for the suggestions, usually when I get stuck I need someone who hasn't been working on it to give me ideas!

-Wes
that is your culprit, that's the solenoid energize line from the ignition switch to the starter, that should hook onto a male spade terminal/

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Old 06-14-2003, 03:23 PM   #8
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Well I found that connection, and it worked, the only problem is, the car didn't start. Now I can hear the starter motor spinning freely as if it is isn't spinning the flywheel. So I am going to have to reinstall it. Thanks for everyones help with the other problem!

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Old 06-15-2003, 04:25 AM   #9
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Well I found that connection, and it worked, the only problem is, the car didn't start. Now I can hear the starter motor spinning freely as if it is isn't spinning the flywheel. So I am going to have to reinstall it. Thanks for everyones help with the other problem!

-Wes
smack tghe starer witha hammer or mallet, sounds like the drive is either stuck or has gone bad.

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Old 06-22-2003, 04:58 PM   #10
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OK, so I tried hitting the starter with a mallet, and it didn't work, so I removed it, made sure the drive wasn't stuck or anything, reinstalled it. It still didn't work. Today I bought a new starter and selenoid, installed it, and it still has the same problem. I can hear it the starter spinning, but the drive isn't coming out to turn the flywheel. I checked the ground to the battery, they both look fine, the battery is new, but I am charging it as we speak because I bought it a few weeks ago, and have tried to start the car many times with it. So what else could be causing the problem? I am out of ideas, so please help!

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Old 06-22-2003, 05:01 PM   #11
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Are you sure you reinstalled the flywheel and clutch (or flex plate and torque converter)? Thats the only thing left other then a bad or not-powered solenoid.

The only other thing I can think of is if the flywheel had the mount surface deeper then the toothed ring on the outside, and it was installed reverse, with the teeth deep and the mount ring against the crank.
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Old 06-22-2003, 05:18 PM   #12
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Are you sure you reinstalled the flywheel and clutch (or flex plate and torque converter)?
Oops, you mean those just weren't spare parts!

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The only other thing I can think of is if the flywheel had the mount surface deeper then the toothed ring on the outside, and it was installed reverse, with the teeth deep and the mount ring against the crank.
I installed it the way I took it off. It is actually a flexplate and TC, I just have been referring to it as a flywheel by accident. At least I hope I installed that properly, because that would suck to have to pull the motor again!

Any other ideas anyone can think of?

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Old 06-22-2003, 07:13 PM   #13
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I now know for sure that the drive gear from the starter is in fact kicking out. That means that for whatever reason it isn't contacting the teeth of the flex plate. I am going to check the depth from the mount for the starter to the teeth on the flex plate and compare it to how far the drive gear on the starter comes out. Does anyone know why they wouldn't be contacting? I can't imagine that I would have installed the flex plate backwards or anything, because I lined it up just like it was on the old engine. Any ideas?

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Old 06-23-2003, 12:31 AM   #14
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THe original moter was automatic, did the new motor come from an auto also? I was thinking that maybe the mt engines have a different offset on the crank end for the flywheel vs a flexplate. Sounds like you are pretty confident that you installed the flexplate correctly. Call parts stores to see if there is a difference in part #'s for auto/manual starters.

Crossing my fingers.
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Old 06-23-2003, 01:21 AM   #15
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Or you could call the dealership and compare MT/AT short block part numbers. I think Chevy should support it if it's a Geo since they bought/owned them.
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