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Old 06-22-2003, 08:44 AM   #1
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Default Need ideas/info on Turbo'ing 2000 L

For a while now, I was planning on doing a USDM WRX swap into my L, but I recently changed my mind. I am interested in installing a Ludespeed stage 3 into my L and would like some ideas/info from anyone who has done it. I have a few questions as well:

Would swapping in some EJ25 SOHC heads help with exhaust flow and/or lower compression?

Are there any fitment issues b/c of dimension differences between EJ22 and EJ25? (pretty sure they are very similar, but want to be safe)

From the research I've done, 220hp seems like an reasonable goal. If the EJ25 heads lowered the compression, could I not expect to be pushing more? And if so, how much?

I know boost is addicting, but I want to do this right. I have a few fellow members with Ludespeed kits on their RS' w/ self-tuned Link+; Would the differences in these engines(even if they are of the same model year) not allow them to give me their maps for tuning my car?


If there are any issues that I should be prepared to deal with or if anyone has advice and/or tips and experiences, I would greatly appreciate it.


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Old 06-22-2003, 02:20 PM   #2
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ok, this my opinion once again... in the world of Turbo, boost and fuel managment is what makes the most difference. After that I would look at Intercooling, and Timing mangment. After that I would think about a free-er flowing turbo... everything else is farther down the list.

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why spend 2-300 dollars on EJ25 heads? I dont think the EJ25 SOHC heads are much different than the L heads... the EJ25 DOHC heads are said to flow better, but I can't imagine that being worth the money. At any rate, neither the ej25 heads will lower your compression.

that being said, that money is better spent on an o-ring job to keep from blowing your head gasket. The ludespeed kit is great, I have heard great results.

Also talk to YekobMJ and ChicksDigWagons, they are doing the same thing you and I are. Yekobmj is probably making close to that power w/ his L.

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Old 06-22-2003, 04:13 PM   #3
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yep the ludespeeds a cheap inexpensive way to go.
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Old 06-22-2003, 05:45 PM   #4
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cheap AND inexpensive? its a winning combo...

but, i wouldnt say its as cheap OR inexpensive as piecing your own kit, but you have to have more patience.

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Old 06-22-2003, 06:12 PM   #5
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Jake -

Thanks for the info. I was just thinking that dual port exhaust heads would flow a bit better than my single port ones. The question I wanted to know is how much of a difference it would make.

Also a debate I'm having is TMIC vs FMIC. Yes, TMIC is cheaper, but I would need an RS hood which is not a cheap option. Either I would have to buy one from a dealership or have one shipped...both methods would be expensive. FMIC is what I'm leaning toward right now, b/c it would allow me to keep the more aerodynamic and allow for a sleeper look. I don't want to attract a lot of attention, so I would probably paint the FMIC black.

Its going to take me a while to save up for the kit, but I'd like to do the kit b/c of the simplicity of it all.


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Old 06-22-2003, 11:36 PM   #6
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Talk to Alan.... Scoobyslack. He wasnt as the drags but has a 2.2l turbo local to chicago with a FMIC. bet he can answer alot of your questions.
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Old 06-23-2003, 01:17 PM   #7
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cheap AND inexpensive? its a winning combo...

but, i wouldnt say its as cheap OR inexpensive as piecing your own kit, but you have to have more patience.

Good luck
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Yah not only is it cheap and inexpensive, it also doesn't cost alot

I don't recomend putting your own kit together without extensive help and insight fron someone who has done a turbo app for a Subaru before. Get the PSI kit, or the FAT kit or even better yet the cream of the crop AVO kit, you'll save money by paying for everything you need upfront instead of paying to make it work and it costing more down the road IMHO.
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Old 06-23-2003, 07:37 PM   #8
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That's what I was thinking. I'm sure someone with specific goals and sources could put together a solid kit themselves. But, for someone looking for a good setup without much hassle, a pre-packaged kit would save me money and give me reliable hp. I am still researching, but as of now I will be going with the Ludespeed stage 3 minus the TMIC...because I plan on installing a FMIC under a new RS front bumper.


I could still use any advice on what FMIC kit to choose, so feel free to offer it. I am looking for something that can be installed without a lot of modification to the bumper and beam.


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Old 06-24-2003, 02:00 AM   #9
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so why not a wrx swap? You would make that "out of the box" and would fairly reliable considering its a factory turbo motor pushing 227hp.
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Old 06-24-2003, 09:47 PM   #10
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Buy a kit,dont build it.

While building your own is definately more satisfying in the end,and the fact that I know every part in the kit,and where I can get them from is a great thing,You have to find said parts to begin with,then make a pile of parts that were never intended to go together magically appear under your hood and work (I am still shocked that my car started on the first try!)


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Old 06-24-2003, 11:50 PM   #11
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I've been thinking a lot about the whole thing, and the swap is looking more promising. How many of you folks that have installed turbo kits would still do it considering how reasonable wrx engines go for nowadays? It really seems to be a cheaper, more reliable and better for passing emissions. With the kit, I would definitely o-ring it, replace all the gaskets and belts as well as get lower compression pistons. That plus the kit and FMIC comes out to about the same or more money than just a swap. I will get the fmic regardless, but I am still having trouble making up my mind on which route to go.


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swaps are cool, but get ready for a wiring mess. this is what origionally turned me away from doing a swap.

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Buy a kit,dont build it.

While building your own is definately more satisfying in the end,and the fact that I know every part in the kit,and where I can get them from is a great thing,You have to find said parts to begin with,then make a pile of parts that were never intended to go together magically appear under your hood and work (I am still shocked that my car started on the first try!)


Just my .02


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Wireing swaps are a pain in the ass, but ben is right. I am in the middle of a parting togeather a kit from hell. i'm 4 months in downtime to a project and a few k in the hole do to problems.
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Old 06-25-2003, 07:24 AM   #14
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Well, can't you get a wrx swap with the wiring harness? I'm guessing it would probably involve getting the entire fron of the car, so I don't know. Also, I was wondering if I could just find someone to make a wiring harness for me?

This is one option I've thought about. The prices on WRX STi front cuts are amazing, despite the shipping costs. Most vendors charge considerably more for just engines.



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Old 06-26-2003, 09:41 PM   #15
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bump...Anybody have any ideas about the front cuts?


Here's some concerns:

Passing Emissions - Obviously not US spec engines, but would I be able to pass?

Gas - Would 91 or 93 octane be enough?



I know a US spec WRX front cut would be less of a hassle, but an STi engine would be super sweet.


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