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Old 06-25-2003, 08:04 PM   #1
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Angry Another P.O.S. aftermarket part to throw at the pile [rant]

Seriously, is it difficult to make a part fit without it suffering some sort of alternative ailment?
This time the culprit is a kartboy short throw shifter.
Throw it in first, clunk.
Third, bigger clunk. Obviously it's hitting the steel rim that all the posts warn it might hit-but that's not really the point, nor is it acceptable. So, I guess I should grind down part of my brand new car to make this part fit right-is that what's expected?
I swear of all the aftermarket parts I've 'tried' to use over the past 4 months, not one has impressed me in the least in build quality/value/fitment and reliability.
If ANY of these aftermarket companies want to hire me, I'll be more than happy to design your parts. I model in 3d for a living, so bring it.
1. Perrin end links - clunking sound in the trunk.
2. 6 different aftermarket uppipes-all different bends, flange thicknesses, diameters, pipe thicknesses-and not one that doesn't require modification of the modification (and the APS one deserves special mention here-that's a piece of work )...etc.
3. GFB BOV-simply doesn't fit quite right. And if you take the thing apart you'll notice (on mine at least) that the milling process on the main body took out more than it should have).
4. Kartboy shifter-like I said...
5. Whiteline swaybar-do they all rust faster than a Saab?
6. Stromung exhaust-uh, a rusty stainless muffler? That's odd.
...etc...

-Thanks, I feel better now. I'm done for now.
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Old 06-25-2003, 08:09 PM   #2
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Toss an STI tranny in there. Nice short throw and it doesn't come anywhere near hitting anything in that oversized Impreza console hole.
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Old 06-25-2003, 09:11 PM   #3
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I use to have a WRX :(

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I think the biggest problem is the nut behind the wheel

Now if you did your NASIOC homework you would find all of these issues had been brought up before with these after market goodies.Scooby mods have saved me alot of headaches .Let some other guy be the first to try the new stuff and sit back and listen to the reviews....


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Old 06-25-2003, 09:14 PM   #4
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Look I'm not tryin' to bust your chops here BUT...you're trying to modify your car the cheapest way possible (like me) or you'd buy the $pendy STi stuff that fits, STi short throw, STi JDM up-pipe, STi suspension...you get what you pay for. Why do you think there's such a big difference in cost? Compare photos from a $7 dollar disposable Kodak to those of a $2000 Hassleblad...I know it's a stretch but you get the picture Do a little research before you jump in and buy something...I went into the Kartboy SS KNOWING I may have to flip or grind down the plate...after 10 min. w/ a file it don't clunk no more. Look at the difference between the Kartboy SS and the STi SS, the STi got a whole buncha stuff danglin' off it compared to the Kartboy...thats cuz Subaru did it RIGHT not cheap. Like I said I'm not trying to bust' em here but c'mon. BTW DON'T buy that TORNADO intake thingy...I heard it doesn't work.
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Old 06-25-2003, 09:33 PM   #5
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For a nice guy, you have the worst luck!

Just flip the damn plate over... But you knew that already.
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Old 06-25-2003, 09:39 PM   #6
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The point is, if this stuff is DESIGNED for a WRX than it should fit perfectly. Expensive or not. These designs are a total joke.
I am with T33 on this one, and I am also a 3d designer.

Off to Aruba......
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Old 06-25-2003, 09:43 PM   #7
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Hi T33,

I don't think you need to grind down the plate. I installed my KB shifter and it hit the metal too at first. After the simple fix, the shifter felt and still feels good - much better than stock in my opinion.

From Scoobymods.com: "Some people have had the rod that is attached to the shifter contact the surround plate when in first gear (see pic) When I installed this one, it would hit the plate if I pushed up on the shifter. There are a few simple solutions. First I'd try and loosen the 4 - 10mm bolts that hold the plate that's being contacted (see pics). The holes under the bolts are oval to the right and left and will allow the plate to be adjusted a little. With the bolts loose shift the plate up and to the left then tighten it down. This may be enough to help. If not and you need more clearance, remove the plate by taking out the 4 bolts. It will lift right off. Now you can do one of two things, make the bolt holes a little bigger so you have more adjustment or use a flat file (or Dremel) and remove some of the metal where the rod contacts by beveling it. I used a file and took off a small amount of metal. That did the trick for me. Putting the plate back on is easy. Just be careful to get the small rubber tips in the centering holes at the center of the top and bottom."

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Try it out. It would be great if every aftermarket part was an exact fit, but tight tolerances don't allow for that sometimes.

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Old 06-25-2003, 10:05 PM   #8
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I had to vent-It's been a tough world on me lately regarding aftermarket stuff
I hear you guys. I agree on the STI stuff, and I probably would have gone the STI parts route from the get-go had I known the 'rest of the stuff' was so poor in quality.
Odd thing is, and this was pointed out before, that (lets use the shifter as an example here) the shifter is designes specifically for the WRX. In fact, the pre-2002 WRX Impreza has a different shifter alltogether. I mean, the effort has obviously been taken to design a part specifically for the vehicle. I don't understand why it can come that close, yet lack the final step in making the part a 'perfect' fit.
Anyhow, my car is finally back to near-stock and I'm really enjoying it much more
It's a shame about the shifter. I had one on my '99 Impreza and it woked just fine.
Just out of curiosity-does anyone else out there design for a living/come to some of these same disturbing conclusions/discoveries?
Dai-regarding further mod to the mod, I know about the grinding option. I helped Deslock grind his plate down using a heavy duty grinding wheel-We had to take off more than was really ever mentioned in any post/info thread we ever found.
03WRXMA- ya-it's been a tough couple months -yup, looks like I'll flip the plate/grind it down this weekend.

As a side note: I will say that the bushing install was easy and nearly solved my problem of always having a hard time getting the car in reverse

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Old 06-25-2003, 10:10 PM   #9
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The point is, if this stuff is DESIGNED for a WRX than it should fit perfectly. Expensive or not. These designs are a total joke.
I am with T33 on this one, and I am also a 3d designer.
I'm not a 3d designer but I do graphic design for video games so maybe this analogy will work. I don't use Photostudio pro 2000 or whatever POS photo-editing software came free on my PC when I bought it...I use Photoshop. Sure they were both designed to edit photos but the pricey $699 software does it MUCH more betterer. If I went on a photo editing forum and complained that the free POS software didn't Do EXACTLY what I wanted...everyone would tell me just get Photoshop and shut up already! You don't use crappy software to model in right? you use the REALLY expensive stuff I'm sure, AutoCad, MAYA, Lightwave whatever...because they work. If you buy the BEST than you'll never be unhappy...start saving for that Ferrari or Porche.
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Old 06-25-2003, 10:11 PM   #10
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you should buy a kia or something
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Old 06-25-2003, 10:14 PM   #11
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sThat's funny. For a minute there I was kinda thinking about trading in the WRX for a Mini...that minute has passed

Newbaru-I hear you. What's really ironic is that I'm currently using a program not yet released by Autodesk called Revit. We're running a prototype version of the program, and what's really funny is that I used to be real good in AutoCAD, but this program, IMO, really has a LONG way to go, and need MAJOR development to be a viable design tool....
So, in a way, I'm using that crappy software that comes on my computer from the factory
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Old 06-25-2003, 10:29 PM   #12
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Pirated software is the best of both worlds ahem so they tell me...everytime we have to test beta software I get excited cuz I get to break it!
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Old 06-25-2003, 10:33 PM   #13
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Odd, my $70 used KatBoy shifter works without issues. The biggest problem was convincing myself to hit it hard enough to get it in the cup. Otherwise a good product.

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Old 06-25-2003, 10:44 PM   #14
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Sorry, but there's probably only a handful of designers in this country that are better than Kartboy. Do you know what his "day job" is?
Ive had a Kartboy shortshifter since back when he would send you an envelope to send your stock shifter back to him and Ive never had an issue with it. Id be very suprised if there was a flaw in his design.
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Old 06-25-2003, 11:11 PM   #15
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Y2k-I assume you have a pre-2002 Impreza (ie-non WRX)?
If so, I did mention I too had a shifter for that type car and it worked great.
I don't know what his day job is, but the fact that every single shifter that goes out for WRX's hits 1st and 3rd -my friend, that's what you call a 'design flaw'
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It's possible, but he's the kind of guy that Id think would fix any flaw ASAP. Maybe it's not possible to make just a bar that fits perfectly? I dunno, just guessing.
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It's possible, but he's the kind of guy that Id think would fix any flaw ASAP. Maybe it's not possible to make just a bar that fits perfectly? I dunno, just guessing.
Yup.

He's been making short shifters longer than you have had your car. I would really give Kartboy the 'benefit of the doubt before you go bashing on their products...

Just like in the computer world, not saying he's perfect, but 99% of the time it's 'user error' causing the problem.

Did you read the instructions that came with it before and during the install or was it "I know how to do this so I'm just going to do it".

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Had Kartboy SS in both my '99 RS and the WRX. Quality was topnotch, no issues at all.
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Old 06-26-2003, 06:44 AM   #19
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Old 06-26-2003, 08:47 AM   #20
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Yup.

He's been making short shifters longer than you have had your car. I would really give Kartboy the 'benefit of the doubt before you go bashing on their products...

Just like in the computer world, not saying he's perfect, but 99% of the time it's 'user error' causing the problem.

Did you read the instructions that came with it before and during the install or was it "I know how to do this so I'm just going to do it".

--kC
User error would indicate I installed the shifter wrong. I did not. The fact that nearly every WRX experiences the problem would imply it's a design flaw. The Kartboy shifter (in my experience of owning 2) has never arrived with instructions. hoever, the scooby-mods install page warned of the rubbing issue-but does that make it ok that it does rub? -it's just a state of fact that it does.
I've been designing longer than kartboy has been designing-what's the point? Make a part that fits and I won't bitch about it. People would bitch if I designed things that don't line up/interfere with normal operation, etc...I don't understand why there's a nearly consistent "I accept 99% as good enough" in the aftermarket world.
It's just my $0.02, but these people really need to stop putting parts out there that fall short.
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Old 06-26-2003, 08:57 AM   #21
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I understand your frustration. I scream at every installation manual I read. Not because I'm having trouble with the mod, but because the level of detail and clarity is GROSSLY lacking.

Every swaybar I've seen has rusted like mad within weeks.

I got the COBB WRX short shifter. Hated it, but it did not rub.

I got the Kartboy WRX short shifter. Hated it, AND it rubbed.

I got the Perrin short shift adapter. Hated it, AND it rubbed.

I got the STI short throw kit. Love it. By comparison, I consider all of the above pieces of crap, even if I like the other Perrin products and think tom@kartboy is a good guy. A thousand spooging Kartboy SS fanboys won't change my mind.

For every thing you are going to buy, I suggest you spend a month researching it beforehand. I watched ECU products patiently for 20 months before buying.

If I cannot get a) installation instructions from the manufacturer and b) end-user reviews... before buying something, I simply do not buy it no matter how badly I want it. This rigor has reduced my frustration greatly.

Whatever. It's supposed to be fun. Perhaps it's not for you.
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It's just that the 1st thing you do, IT SEEMS, that immediately after something doesn't work, you bitch about it and it's the worse thing ever made.

Reminds me of someone from CT that now has an EVO.

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[ KC, I realize you were not addressing me. I am not addressing you, per se, either. Just so we don't have a "thing" like we always seem to ]

I'm all for people who are sick of shoddy crap.

MORE people need to be MORE critical and MORE vocal about crap they pay for that they find inadequate.

I want to hear EVERY review from every person who ever purchased any car product I'm about to buy. I want to hear the most MENIAL complaints of theirs, and I don't want it sugar-coated or downplayed.

In fact, I have a bunch of reviews to write into the Reviews forum soon. Need to get on that.

And the companies that are good? Those are the ones who WANT people to do that, no matter how small or petty the bitching may seem.

People/companies who release products into a seller's market environment... and don't refine the 1st generation flaws out of them are weak.
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I don't know if this is OT or not, but I too had the Kartboy SS, and really didn't like it that much. The quality was top notch, and I really don't mind having to notch flip, but I feel that the difference in shifting wasn't that great compared to what I have now (a stock lever machined down 1"). I will rave about the Kartboy endlinks and shifter bushings though. I LOVE those two products :-)

And as far as the sway bar endlink clunk, just take it all out and slab lots of grease on everything. I failed to do that the first time...

And, yes, my MRT rear sway has more rust on it than an old VW bus....
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I don't understand why there's a nearly consistent "I accept 99% as good enough" in the aftermarket world.
It's just my $0.02, but these people really need to stop putting parts out there that fall short.
100% with you on that statement. Nothing is going to change for the Subaru aftermarket until the customers start doing exactly what you are, explaining things aren't acceptable.

Now, I also agree somewhat with Newbaru becauce I've learned you do get what you pay for. The point is you shouldn't have to pay for the Subaru STi shifter if others on the market claim to fit and work correctly for less money. We all understand that an aftermarket company is not going to have the $$$ to design a product as well as Subaru does though, but they could at least get the "important things" correct.

Some might not remember but Rallispec took the route of actual "design" and "proper fit, etc.." with their products. The extra cost for the products was evident and unfortunatly with this customer base (Subaru owners) things didn't work out (because everyone wants things cheap here).

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