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Old 06-26-2003, 06:44 PM   #1
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My husband installed the Comfort ALK in his 2002 Legacy GT this weekend. It was transformed completely! The road only slightly harsher and the vibration only slightly more as well. Not a problem for me at all. I do think it snaps back faster on sharp corners, it comes out of turns nicer then before. With the Legacy I could really feel the huge difference in tight corners and responsiveness of the front tires sticking much more then before. With the longer wheelbase of the Legacy and the softer suspension, I felt much more bodyroll and lean into and out of corners (then my WRX), and with the ALK it is gone. I mean it, gone! Perfect form and sticky clingy road hugging fun. And she does not even have her Michelin Pilot Sport tires on yet until Tuesday! It really does now feel almost exactly like the WRX except for the turbo. I think the Legacy has a more refined feel to it, very nice. I am liking it more and more all the time. I am next doing an experiment in unsprung weight with the Legacy. She has now Michelin Pilot XGT H4 tires that weigh 27 pounds each. She is getting Michelin Pilot Sprt A/S tires on Tuesday that weigh 22 pounds wach. So a 20 pound drop in unsprung weight (I know back to the stock weight) I will do a test of acceleration and braking before and after the new tires next week and post the results here. I can't recommend the ALK enough! It is an amazing difference, as much as the 20mm rear swaybar. The ALK in my WRX was not much of a difference since it already handled well. The CAster went up from 2.6 to 3.1 in the Legacy and from 2.8 to 4.2 in the WRX (i have no idea why the huge increase!)
Try the ALK you will be amazed when hitting the gas around corners and how your car will follow the road and come out of the corner like a race car. It's amazing!
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Old 06-26-2003, 09:20 PM   #2
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Thumbs up Good reading!

Nice write up Heather!!

Glad you like it so much. It is presonally one of my favourite mods, too. Makes the steering much more communicative on top of all that you mention (which is nice IMHO).

Wonder how far your modding bug will take you?

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Old 06-26-2003, 09:52 PM   #3
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Cool modding

How far will my modding take me....
Well, I don't know. It is much easier to mod the WRX due to finding parts for her everywhere. I am against lowering th ride height since we had a 1996 Legacy L and she scrapped on everything and hit the bumper stops at the end of the parking spaces (what are those things called?) So far the Legacy has the 20mm rear adjustable Whiteline swaybar and the Comfort ALK. She is getting her new grippy shoes on Tuesday (Michelin Pilot SPort A/S) I think she feels more refined and more graceful then the WRX. She brakes better, for some reason and her steering feels better. That is a lot coming from a sworn Impreza person. For me to admire and even somewhat prefer the Legacy, is saying a lot. The Legacy does have the clutch studder and the bucking feel in 1st that the WRX does not (yet) have. Sure the turbo is nice, but not really necessary to the handling equation- where my heart is.

What other mods can I do for the Legacy to improve her handling but not lower her ride height? I think next is brake pads for both cars and aluminum front endlinks- why are they plastic?!! I think the Whitleline KLC30 front endlinks for my WRX will also fit the Legacy- if so she will get some too Anyone know? Also the Whiteline steering rack bushing fro the Legacy, but which ones fit?

Once I go to performance driving school in a year or so (baby on th way must wait ) I will know what I need to mod to help our cars handle to their full potential.
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Old 06-26-2003, 10:31 PM   #4
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Hey Heather long time no write! Who did you get them from? Easy install? Did you see what's coming out in a year or two? I'm holding off on major mods.
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Old 06-27-2003, 09:17 AM   #5
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What other mods can I do for the Legacy to improve her handling but not lower her ride height?
I don't know about the 2002, but my '97 really benefitted from front and rear strut tower braces. I couldn't believe how much improvement in cornering there was!

Best of all, it is a cheap and easy mod. My 12-year old installed the front STB!
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Old 06-27-2003, 10:01 AM   #6
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Thumbs up Yeas thought of that!

Yeah I want strut bar braces for both cars, maybe I'll have my 3-year-old install them . Good point!
I've been in the suspension and tires forums since I bought a WRX wagon. I traded-in poor Chewbacca after one year since my husband also has the 2002 GT wagon but in silver. I can honestly say with the ALK the GT handles very much like the WRX, only quieter and more refined. Plus it is much easier to install the ALK on the Legacy (2 hours) then the WRX (12 hours).
About the turbo Legacy coming out soon, no more new cars for us! Our Legacy is paid-off and I can't wait to pay-off my Impreza WRX! We have the best of both in our cars I think. I just have to keep away from the Dealerships, I mean really stay away!
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Old 06-27-2003, 01:43 PM   #7
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Now if we could just get Heather into an Outback....hee, hee, hee.

Sorry I couldn't resist teasing!

Pardon my ignorance, but what's an ALK?
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Old 06-27-2003, 01:47 PM   #8
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Now if we could just get Heather into an Outback....hee, hee, hee.

Sorry I couldn't resist teasing!

Pardon my ignorance, but what's an ALK?
Woops, I forgot to ask if it was some type of performance swaybar!
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Old 06-27-2003, 02:08 PM   #9
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sooberoo: modified rear-most front a-arm mount that adds castor.
Anti Lift Kit

One of the better mods for the money. The only drawback is added noise (DONT get the motorsports version) and that you need an alignment after installation.
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Old 06-27-2003, 05:44 PM   #10
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Cool yes it adds noise

The ALK from Whiteline does indeed add noise, even the comfort version. Oh well the handling gains out weigh the noise. Just go to Whiteline's homepage under technical articles and read all about it for yourself. It's the next best upgrade after a larger rear swaybar I'd say (and so does Whiteline).

The Legacy just got on her new shoes, Michelin Pilot Sport A/S. I can most definetly feel her accelrate and brake faster then before and it is 106 degrees here today! So a 20 pound drop in unsprung weight is significant enough to feel the difference even wit the A/C blasting! When I got my WRX these tires last month, one was defective and it pulled to the left. Now today with the Legacy it is pulling hard to the right. Looks like another defective tire What's the odds of that happening twice?! In the morning I will have them sway the front to the rear on one side and drive her around. If it is still pulls I will have them sway the other side front to rear and test it. Then I will know which tire to replace like I did last time.

Yes please do not go there with the Outbacks- Three of those was enough for a lifetime
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Old 06-27-2003, 07:54 PM   #11
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I agree with the STB's.
I did SPSport 5000's and that helped a bunch (Note, run them @~44psi) then the STB's.
Cusco front al and rear CF. Another big help.
Does anyone know for sure if the ALK's bump you in class for autoX?
Well, I guess I mean if it bumps you more than the STB's?
I am hoping to be home sometime to autoX in NY (Orange County airport).
Hmmm.....still want to save for a new, faster, sleeper silver wagon.
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Old 06-27-2003, 08:19 PM   #12
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hey I saw you guys talk about what you all have done to your legacy's. STOP NOW or you'll end up like me...
JUN internals... read: EVERYTHING, the full JUN Stroker Kit,
pistons, rods, crank and all,
some custom worked heads from JUN comp. with their spring retainers,
some custom machined rockers,
JUN head studs,
all HKS turbo piping, a tt system utilizing a vf***** and a garrett*****(sounds odd but trust me)
cold air intake (some offbrand)
JUN flywheel,
samco hoses,
TiMM rails,
hks exhaust,
Full TiMM n2o/co2 hybrid system,
Greddy FMIC,
HKS BOV,
PWR Rad.,
HKS TT, Boost guage, EGT guage, oil guage, water guage,
Personalized TiMM's ECU (pc governed) program,
Tein w/ EDFC (cool toy),
And a whole lotta other suspension crap I can't talk about.
Complete TiMMspeed Lightening,
more but it just get's to the little boring parts.

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Old 06-28-2003, 12:19 PM   #13
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Hey Heather,

Glad to see you back on the boards. I didn't know wou where selling/trading Chewbaca. I would have been there in a New York minute to take it off your hands. Probably better I didn't... I've got a deposit down for the new Legacy Turbo Wagon. Can't wait for that.

On the other hand, the ALK looks like something I'll be adding to my 98 GT build out. I've already added STI Group N motor and transmission mounts and they add a certain amount of NVH on their own. I'm not really that concerned about more noise because it's still relatively quiet and composed... at least until the full header-back exhaust system goes on this summer.

Stay connected.

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Old 06-28-2003, 08:44 PM   #14
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Well I sold Chewbacca on the spur of the moment. Since my husband had the same car and all. One day he mentioned the WRX new facelift he did not like and he causally said, "We should buy the 2003 bug-eyed WRX before they are all gone." I took him seriously and located on in Auburn Chewy traded at Excellent trade-in value and we got $750 below invoice for the WRX wagon making it an even trade. Titanium Pearl was not as pretty as silver and with all the Oubacks in that color now, I panicked
I adore my WRX wagon and I even adore his GT wagon (both 5-speed of course!) I am offically now an Impreza and a Legacy GT person.

Oh- It was not a bad tire. We traded the fronts to back and it still pulls to the right. Then we brough tin my car with the same tires and put them on the GT, same problem- so no way the tires!

I will have her realigned next week. Just got an alignment last week after the ALK too! The unsprung weight drop is so significant that I must do a write-up on it in another thread...
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Old 06-29-2003, 08:27 PM   #15
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I'm having a hard time understanding how a modification designed to fight lift at the outside limit of a car's cornering ability can completely transform the car's perfomance on the street. Seems to me it would be a finishing touch after swaybars, braces, links, stuts and springs.
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Old 06-29-2003, 10:31 PM   #16
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I'm having a hard time understanding how a modification designed to fight lift at the outside limit of a car's cornering ability can completely transform the car's perfomance on the street. Seems to me it would be a finishing touch after swaybars, braces, links, stuts and springs.
I hear you and I too had my doubts. But it really is transformed, night and day difference. Yes we did do the 20mm adjustable Whiteline rear swaybar first, and the ALK after many months later. I do not track the car, just typical street and taking corners fast. I swear to you the GT wagon now feels like my WRX wagon with planted front feet that stick like anything on corners and follow the path with the steering response much improved. It snaps back out of a turn with a much improved response- point and shoot, no more lean or body roll whatsoever. I'd dare to say the GT now feels better then my WRX in terms of handling. We also installed the ALK in the WRX, but the effects were not so noticable other then NVH increase, eventhough for some strange reason the WRX went from 2.8 caster to 4.2 and the GT went from 2.6 to 3.1 caster. I have stock springs and struts and no strut braces yet. It is a miricale if there ever was one!
I'd say it made equally the handling gains of going from the 14mm stock swaybar to a 20mm. And she loves her lighter shoes! 20 pounds less unsprung weight makes a hell of a difference in power, almost feels like she too has a turbo. We had the ALK on a week before the tires and even with the old heavy tires, it still felt equally amazing. I promise!
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