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Old 06-27-2003, 04:13 PM   #1
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MT did a first drive on the XT and Baja Turbo this month. Not much substance, but kinda cool nonetheless. they say it'll do 0-60 in 8.6.
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Old 06-27-2003, 07:45 PM   #2
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8.6? Hopefully it was a Le Mans start. Car and Driver got 9.8 seconds last fall on the non-turbo Baja.

I assume that's the Baja automatic, since the first production run is supposed to be autos.

I guess the 400 pound (11%) weight difference between the Forester and the Baja combines with the automatic transmission to add more than two seconds to the 0-60. I was already dreaming of a 5 second car.

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Old 06-27-2003, 10:51 PM   #3
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I'm not sure about the start, but it is with an auto- they call it "manumatic". The article was just a blurb, really more of a teaser. They said that the extra inch of clearance didn't affect bodyroll because Subaru had compensated for that with revised damping and spring rates.

They also estimated the 0-60 time for the XT as 8.5 and that has to be with an auto. So that at least says something about the baja.
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Old 06-28-2003, 12:18 PM   #4
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I'm not sure about the start, ...
My reference to a "Le Mans start" may have been a bit too obscure. As I recall the traditional Le Mans was with the vehicles parked, engines off, and all the drivers standing at trackside. Drivers run to cars, hop in, fire up, and start driving.

With modern safety cages, harnesses, and removable steering wheels they don't do that anymore. Some motorcycle races do start with a Le Mans, although I think the engines may be running. Also some bicycle and personal watercraft races use the Le Mans.

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Old 06-30-2003, 02:18 AM   #5
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Wink 8.6?

0-60 in 8.6 seconds seems off.

I really think that BAJA-T should do under 7 seconds easily. I really hope
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Old 06-30-2003, 02:32 AM   #6
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Both the Baja Turbo and Forester XT times they posted are mis-prints.

Why? Because those times are identicle to the N/A 2.5 times in the back of the magazine.
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Kostamojen I agree on this one.
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Old 06-30-2003, 09:26 AM   #8
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all thing being equal, the Baja turbo should be slower than the Forester turbo. It is about 400 pounds heavier. Not only that, it's been reported that the Forester 5-speed turbo has a 4.44:1 final drive. According to the Baja turbo specs PDF, found on the SOA media site, the Baja turbo 5-speed has a 3.90:1 final drive. The PDF also states that the Baja turbo automatic has a 4.44:1 final drive.

A 3.90:1 (vs. 4.44:1) final drive means slower acceleration, lower cruising rpms, and hopefully better gas mileage.

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Old 06-30-2003, 09:28 AM   #9
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I'd like to second, that. XT goes under 6 sec, not 8.6 So, let's deduct 2 sec from 9 something and make it to 7 something or 6 with manual. Does MT misprint things like that? Or did they actually drive an NA Baja, thinking it was a turbo?
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Most mags make small mistakes like that. Just a few pages earlier in that issue, there are corrections for a couple performance numbers from the last issue.
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Old 07-13-2003, 05:28 PM   #11
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all thing being equal, the Baja turbo should be slower than the Forester turbo. It is about 400 pounds heavier. Not only that, it's been reported that the Forester 5-speed turbo has a 4.44:1 final drive. According to the Baja turbo specs PDF, found on the SOA media site, the Baja turbo 5-speed has a 3.90:1 final drive. The PDF also states that the Baja turbo automatic has a 4.44:1 final drive.

A 3.90:1 (vs. 4.44:1) final drive means slower acceleration, lower cruising rpms, and hopefully better gas mileage.

Bob
The gearing ratios you mentioned: does the TS, Forester, Outback ALL have different ratios?

3.90 vs. 4.44:1.........please explain these numbers for the people like me that do not understand them. And what about the non turbo Baja? Will the gearing ratio be "QUICKER" in acceleration than let's say the outback with the same engine and vehicle weight?

I need answers to the above questions before I buy.

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