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Old 07-15-2003, 05:14 PM   #1
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Hello all,

I have been shopping around and looking for a good exhaust for my 2001 gt wagon. I want it to enhance the sound of the boxer engine and not sound like a you know what.

I also don't want to spend $400, though I know that the $39 junk on ebay is probably not going to sound or perform well either.

Are there any of you who have experimented with the more generic universals out there with good results??

Thanks for your guidance.

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Old 07-15-2003, 05:22 PM   #2
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Jed, if you are not in a rush you can wait for me to do the custom exhaust I am presently building. It will start with Borla headers, high flow cat, custom mid-pipe and a Magnaflow universal muffler with custom tailpipe (very sleeperish looking).
Dunno if that is something you would want to do (maybe minus the headers). It should be fairly cheap and have some decent performance gains.
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Old 07-15-2003, 06:27 PM   #3
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Tora,

Let me know how things progress. I am in no real hurry.

I am waiting for a rallitek CAI right now. 18" wheels after that.

Tks,

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Old 07-15-2003, 06:46 PM   #4
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Sure thing Jed. I'll let you know when I finnish it.
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Old 07-15-2003, 07:19 PM   #5
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I've got the Borla Headers and A 2.5" Cat-Back Exhaust With a MagnaFlow Muffler. Not only did I enjoy the DEEP increase in exhaust note but, noticable "pull" as well. My next step is to throw on a Hi-flow CAT. Does anyone have any recommendations for one???

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Old 07-15-2003, 09:33 PM   #6
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Manny,

Is there a magnaflow that closely resembles the stock muffler in size? How well does it fit in the car? Also, is your cat-back piece custom bent or did you buy it pre-made?

and most importantly

Does it sound ricey? This one is very important to me. There is a difference between deep boxer sound and farting

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Old 07-15-2003, 11:47 PM   #7
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No Subaru can sound ricy, the engine design prohibits it.


Just go with any universal muffler if you are interested in making it sound more agressive. Its what I have and for $150 out the door price, Im satisfied.


My car, under full acceleration, sounds very quiet from the outside but sputters, pops, bangs, and burbles like a mofo in between shifts. I love it
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Old 07-16-2003, 12:30 AM   #8
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I've seen some pretty crappy mufflers on Subies that actually sounded decent bu tI have also heard one or two ricey exhaust systems. I think it had something to do with a certain grain used as packing in the muffler housing....
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Old 07-16-2003, 11:04 AM   #9
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Manny,

Is there a magnaflow that closely resembles the stock muffler in size? How well does it fit in the car? Also, is your cat-back piece custom bent or did you buy it pre-made?

and most importantly

Does it sound ricey? This one is very important to me. There is a difference between deep boxer sound and farting

Thanks,

Andy
Yes the Magnaflow that I acquired Fits perfectly in the alloted space for the actual Muffler. The actual cat-back was custom bent at a local Muffler shop, therefore it fits perfectly with no weird vibration noises or any rubbing or rattling either. And as for the Exhaust note, NOT RICEY AT ALL VERY, VERY DEEP and Crisp. Well hope that helps you out some.

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Old 07-16-2003, 12:18 PM   #10
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Manny, weould you mind posting (or PM'ing) me the part number for the muffler you got. I'm ordering my universal SS Magnaflow muffler this morning and just want to make sure I get one that fits right. Or can you let me know the size/style you got if you don't remember the part number. Also ordering my Borla headers today....now I just have to get a custom mid-pipe (straight pipe or should I bother with a high-flow cat?)
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Old 07-16-2003, 03:49 PM   #11
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In case your interested in a Brullen (what I've got) but don't want the expense, you can always order just the muffler section from an authorized dealer. I've got a shop in Seattle that will order just the muffler for a reasonable price, though some online vendors only offer the full cat-back. IMO, you can't beat the sound of the Brullen quiet muffler on our cars.

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Old 07-16-2003, 03:52 PM   #12
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What kind of cost are we talking for a Brullen muffler only?
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Old 07-16-2003, 04:21 PM   #13
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Please post the part number for the muffler you guys will use. Sound clips would be even cooler

huckedup16: With true equal length headers it can come pretty close, as it erases the boxer sound. I still agree with you.

Even though many wont admit it I think its the same phenomanon as the big V8 engines, even with a crap exhaust they still sound pretty nice.
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Old 07-16-2003, 04:38 PM   #14
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The part number that I think I am getting is 14256 (this is a stainless steel universal muffler from MAgnaflow with 2.5 inch inlet and outlet).
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Old 07-16-2003, 06:45 PM   #15
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Manny, weould you mind posting (or PM'ing) me the part number for the muffler you got. I'm ordering my universal SS Magnaflow muffler this morning and just want to make sure I get one that fits right. Or can you let me know the size/style you got if you don't remember the part number. Also ordering my Borla headers today....now I just have to get a custom mid-pipe (straight pipe or should I bother with a high-flow cat?)
Man I wish I knew. I never checked for an actual part number. Sorry

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Old 07-16-2003, 07:15 PM   #16
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Well hope that helps you out some.

-- Manny S.
Well, it answers my question but you aren't helping me out. You're going to make me spend money I shouldn't be spending



So, please, retract all previous comments and say it sounds ricier than the riciest rice burner evAr. Thanks,

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Old 07-16-2003, 07:15 PM   #17
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Does anyone have a page that shows all the different models with the part number? Im basically looking for the same one you posted except in 3 inch.
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Old 07-16-2003, 07:23 PM   #18
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Ciper, I just ordered my muffler. It is a Magnaflow part number 14256. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/newr...hreadid=391769

Dunno if that works or not but you can go to the Magnaflow website at www.magnaflow.com

Oh...muffler just came in the door from the local parts supplier. I still have to wait 10 days for my headers and then get a custom pipe mandrel bent for it and then ready to go.
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Old 07-16-2003, 08:55 PM   #19
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Hello all,

I can't thank you all enough for the great info and lively posts. I have read a ton of posts on exhaust systems and mufflers for our cars and have not found the details I was looking for.

Thanks again,

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Old 07-17-2003, 11:25 PM   #20
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anyone go from just a catback to adding headers, and high flow cat? how does the sound compare. people are saying louder, but how much.

i am currently running the Brullen medium catback, and want to bring new pipes forward to the engine, but do not want to increase sound that much if any... is it possible to get headers and the car not get louder?
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Old 07-23-2003, 12:19 PM   #21
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I installed my Borla Headers last night after I got them form my supplier. Even though the piping for my catless straight pipe hasn't been bent yet I installed the headers to see how they would be. The headers are a very easy install but I was very worried when putting them in that they would hit my Whiteline front sway bar. They are basically about 2.5mm apart and they don't seem to hit or vibrate...so far so good. I didn't heat wrap the headers but I'm thinking of it now...

Anyways, with just the headers and a stock exhaust (+Ganzflow intake) there was little change upon firing it up. Revving the engine got a little grumble out of them but it was drowned out by my two cats resonator and stock muffler. After warming the car up I took it up to the highway and gave her, no real power difference but there was a nice grumble coming from just under my legs when at WOT and above 3000RPMs. I'm just waiting to get some mandrel bent SS piping for my custom straigh pipe to attache to my headers and Magnaflow uiniversal straight through exhaust...I'll post anotrher review for the whole set up when it is installed.

At the same time I also installed a tranny mount (already have the engine mounts). The engine mounts alone made more difference than the tranny mount but it feels very good and a very nice improvement. The only downside was that it moved my whole short shift linkage upwards and cause the link to hit the metal plate that holds the rubber in the shift box down as well as providing the stabilization or mounting points for the plastic clips that hold the sound deadening material in. So I got rid of the metal plate and one of the rubber boots and now it runs fine.
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Old 07-23-2003, 04:29 PM   #22
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I saw some1 wanted some sound clips. I got mine online. Its at my website A Place 4 My Head.com is under car audio, its also the only one that works. Right now I have Borla headers and a custom cat back from my local shop with a 2.5 tubing and a universal muffler(I think its called the mini dragser)
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Old 07-25-2003, 02:50 PM   #23
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Is the muffler going to have to be lowered to get the tip to sit right under the bumper? I'm just curious because the Subaru mufflers have tips that exit the muffler at the bottom, as opposed to the center. I'm not sure this is making any sense so if you need a better description let me know.

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Old 07-25-2003, 03:19 PM   #24
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Brian, the muffler I have will tuck quite high under the car and if the tip went straight out it would not fit. I am custom making a tip (the muffler is universal and has no actual tip) that will basically sit in the stock position but aq little further out so as all my exhaust gases don't get caught under the car when idling and don't discolor my paint.
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Old 07-26-2003, 05:23 PM   #25
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My header/header back straight pipe are now installed and I am a happy camper. Just in case people are too lazy to scroll back up the page I installed a set of Borla Headers earlier in the week with a completely stock exhaust behind it. Little to no improvement. Today I installed a straight pipe from the header back with a Magnaflow Universal muffler. All piping and muffle inlet/outlet are 2.5". The muffler is tucked right up like the stock one with an SS tip angled downwards that basically looks the same as stock...but SS. So, unless the car is lifted up it looks completely stock.

Sound: Badass....it is slightly metallic during WOT but at idle and low acceleration it is very grumbly. If you have heard any Subaru Rally cars with straight pipes it basically sounds the same. Internal noise is not too bad as I have the full interior in the car for now and because the muffler is so far back (I have a wagon).

Performance: I only drove it around the shop a few times. It pulls harder but I feel no torque loss and decent hp gain in lower RPM's and better gains at higher RPMs. After some good highway driving after work I'll give it a better test.

Anyways, I have a big grin on my face and am just waiting to get off work.....time is so slow.
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