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Old 07-02-2003, 05:26 PM   #1
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Default Obital Buffer Vs. Hand

Is it better to use an obital buffer for polishing and waxing or to do it by hand? Im thinking about getting an obital buffer but i dont want it to hurt the paint or cause swirl marks. Should I get one?
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Old 07-02-2003, 10:56 PM   #2
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Get one, it'll save you a few hours in labor and the various muscle aches.
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Old 07-02-2003, 11:03 PM   #3
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Just do be careful of the wax you are using. Last summer (I still feel like an idiot for this) I was using some Meguiars Scratch Remover wax on a BIG rotary buffer. I assumed it was for clear coat paints, but read later that it was for Gel Coat (I beleive that's whats on fiberglass boats, etc). My car has the WORST swirl marks now, and it was just my luck that I used such a high powered buffer. I always like to do it by hand, for the same reason I won't take my car through a car wash. Don't trust machines with my car I feel you put more love in to it if you spend the effort. ....but then again, it's a LOT of work, and you're hand can HURT after a few coats!
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Old 07-02-2003, 11:34 PM   #4
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If you're gonna get one, get a porter cable random orbital buffer. They're nearly foolproof, and you use the weight of the machine to do your car, and it's not dangerous to your paint like a regular orbital buffer that's made more for sanding.

Here's a direct link:
http://www.properautocare.com/porcabpolac.html

Model 7424. You can get them at www.coastaltool.com , or www.properautocare.com

Pick up a Klasse Concours Kit while you're at it. Awesome setup!
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Old 07-03-2003, 04:12 AM   #5
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Use the buffer to apply the wax, but take it off by hand with a clean, soft cloth. Make sure you get into all body panel gaps, cracks and crevices when you're removing the wax though!
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Old 07-03-2003, 04:14 AM   #6
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Exclamation DONT GET ORBITAL, GET A POLISHER MACHINE!!

Orbital buffers will leave "sun marks" or circular marks on your car. It's best to get a Porter & Cable Dual Action Polisher Machine.. a machine will out shine a hand polish work. just goto www.meguiars.com for the parts and all the accessories needed. Remember, Meguiars is the leading automotive car care product.. all show cars use it, more so than zymbol, black magic!

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Old 07-03-2003, 09:09 AM   #7
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Types of machines can be debated to kingdom come, but even the best machine sucks, if used incorrectly.

Used properly, machines can work the polish and wax to a degree that we humans can't. I use the Porter Cable random orbital (which, btw, not only rotates, but has fore and aft movement) for better wax jobs than I ever could have gotten by hand. The waxings last longer, too.

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Old 07-03-2003, 10:07 AM   #8
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Default Re: DONT GET ORBITAL, GET A POLISHER MACHINE!!

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Orbital buffers will leave "sun marks" or circular marks on your car. It's best to get a Porter & Cable Dual Action Polisher Machine.. a machine will out shine a hand polish work. just goto www.meguiars.com for the parts and all the accessories needed. Remember, Meguiars is the leading automotive car care product.. all show cars use it, more so than zymbol, black magic!

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A lilttle confusion in terms, I think . . . the Porter Cable DA is an "orbital" buffer. I believe you're thinking of a rotary buffer. An orbital, or dual-action, is much safer for a novice, as it doesn't generate a great deal of heat . . . a rotary can easily burn through paint to bare metal with the wrong pad, wrong product, or (more frequently) wrong operator.

And, while Meg's is, in general, good stuff, I've found it best to experiment to find what combinations work best for you. Personally, I prefer 3M polishes to Meguiar's, but that's just my preference.

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Old 07-03-2003, 01:36 PM   #9
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Wow those are expensive, I was thinking of getting one of the obital buffers from walmart for $20 and use terry cloth bonnets.

Also I thought that you you used the buffer for after you aplied the wax, to take it off?
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Old 07-03-2003, 02:14 PM   #10
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Instead of having to use an orbital because of frequent need to reapply wax, get better wax and do it by hand. Saves you a lot of potential scratches.

Plus you can't get nooks and crannies which WRX has a lot of.

I use only Zaino, only put it on by hand, lasts a long time, shines better than anything else I have tried, especially Meguiars.

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Old 07-03-2003, 08:50 PM   #11
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25 years ago, I worked for a Roll-Royce Dealer who employed a retired englishman who had been a chauffer. He used a diaper and machine polish, thinned with water a bit in a squeeze bottle. I have never seen such a perfect job. Simple, but effective.
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Old 07-04-2003, 12:12 AM   #12
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I have the Porter Cable DA sander/polisher. It is the real deal. I am willing to be you cannot mess up your paint short of dropping the damn thing on the car. I went to a used tool store by me that specializes in PC and got mine factory rebuilt for $120 with a case! Never again with I apply wax. polish, whatever by hand again. Griotsgarage.com has terrific things to go with it.

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Old 07-04-2003, 12:43 AM   #13
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www.autopia.org and read up against orbital vs. random vs. hand
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Old 07-04-2003, 01:48 AM   #14
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I have the Porter Cable DA sander/polisher. It is the real deal. I am willing to be you cannot mess up your paint short of dropping the damn thing on the car. I went to a used tool store by me that specializes in PC and got mine factory rebuilt for $120 with a case! Never again with I apply wax. polish, whatever by hand again. Griotsgarage.com has terrific things to go with it.

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Old 07-04-2003, 01:05 PM   #15
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I guess my "deal" sort of wasn't.
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Old 07-04-2003, 03:45 PM   #16
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phxwrx Use the buffer to apply the wax, but take it off by hand with a clean, soft cloth. Make sure you get into all body panel gaps, cracks and crevices when you're removing the wax though!
I thought that you you used the buffer for after you aplied the wax, to take it off?
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