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Old 06-30-2003, 03:07 AM   #1
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Old 06-30-2003, 03:32 AM   #2
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That review of the Forester is not as good as Car and Driver's.
That article has no numbers at all, except the price of the Forester.
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Old 06-30-2003, 08:53 AM   #3
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That was one boring editor. They almost sound disgruntled. Sounds like they want Subaru to line up with the rest of the "same old, same old" designs. Subarus have a distinct look. I'm happy with the new interior colors. My 98' Outback Sport has crazy interior colors. It hides all the dirt, and dog hair, but it is "aquatic". The new interiors are no different than the interiors in the cars in the same price range. I'm not a fan of the new exterior. I liked the second generation forester the best.
My wife likes the forester, and we're thinking of getting the turbo. It will have to be an auto, but here in DC, manuals can be a pain in the ass.
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Old 06-30-2003, 10:15 AM   #4
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challenger2 wrote, "I'm not a fan of the new exterior. I liked the second generation forester the best."

I'm confused. When the description "2nd generation" comes up in relation to Foresters, aren't most people referring to '03 and beyond? Wasn't everything that came before the '1st gen' including various minor facelifts?

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Old 06-30-2003, 12:18 PM   #5
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challenger2 wrote, "I'm not a fan of the new exterior. I liked the second generation forester the best."

I'm confused. When the description "2nd generation" comes up in relation to Foresters, aren't most people referring to '03 and beyond? Wasn't everything that came before the '1st gen' including various minor facelifts?
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I thought so too. In the US, 1st gen would be those up to my2002 (SF chassis), and the 2nd gen are the my2003+ (SG chassis, with aluminum hood).
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Old 06-30-2003, 01:36 PM   #6
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The test model had the automatic trannie, and in the sidebar on the right he said "Mileage: I averaged 26 miles per gallon in mostly highway driving."

Does that mean there's hope, or was he just driving downhill with a tailwind?

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Old 06-30-2003, 02:18 PM   #7
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I'm talking about the minor changes, not chassis changes. 1st gen being the 1998, second, the 2000/01 body style, and then the latest. Most people identify with headlights, tailights, and fenders.
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Fine, then I would have to say that 3rd genearation Forester is the best looking, especially the XT.
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Old 06-30-2003, 02:38 PM   #9
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jimqpublic says (about the Post review), ""Mileage: I averaged 26 miles per gallon in mostly highway driving."
Does that mean there's hope, or was he just driving downhill with a tailwind?"

Or else he was testing in Canada, using Imperial gallons. Only time will tell (plus reports by owners in actual conditions), but I'm guessing that any exhuberant driving at all in an XT will return less than 26 mpg.

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Old 06-30-2003, 02:46 PM   #10
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challenger2 says, "I'm talking about the minor changes, not chassis changes. 1st gen being the 1998, second, the 2000/01 body style, and then the latest. Most people identify with headlights, tailights, and fenders."

OK, and I'm not trying to quibble, but be aware that using the 2nd-gen term to describe anything earlier than the '03 will confuse people. Most major body panels on the 2000 - and all glass parts- were interchangeable with the '98, weren't they? The changes that year amounted to at most a minor facelift.

Magazine reviews everywhere universally termed the '03 Foresters the "second generation". All changes prior to that were comparatively minor and cosmetic.

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Old 07-01-2003, 12:38 AM   #11
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Or else he was testing in Canada, using Imperial gallons. Only time will tell (plus reports by owners in actual conditions), but I'm guessing that any exhuberant driving at all in an XT will return less than 26 mpg.

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Canada uses litres so that's not it. He probably just drove it around conservatively.
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He probably just drove it around conservatively.
That's not necessarily unbelievable. My first few mileages on my GD impreza wrx was about the same as my my1995 impreza L (1.8 Liter NA), that is before I got used to the added power.
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Old 07-06-2003, 01:21 AM   #13
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On the subject of color, the article is right in my opinion. Subaru has no imagination at all when it comes to the use of color. Black, while, silver, red, gold...blah blah blah.

On gas mileage, I probably average of 22 mpg, and I range from 19 to 25 for the most part with a 1998 2.5 Forester L. I'm not really complaining about that, because it can be fun to drive. I know I don't have the lightest foot around.

On the looks on the outside, I disagree with the review. I think the 2004 is pretty nice looking. Nothing radically inspiring, but not bad at all, and certainly not ugly.

My main bitch is the clutch and transmission. The infamous "Shudder" and the rather sloppy shifting. But I like the rest of it so much that I might have to buy an AT next time (and compensate with the XT!).

I was really disappointed in the colors for the new XT. Boring.

And why do they package AT with moonroof and leather. I don't want leather! They need to rethink how they package these upgrades.
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Old 07-06-2003, 04:26 AM   #14
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ivesberib wrote, "And why do they package AT with moonroof and leather. I don't want leather! They need to rethink how they package these upgrades."

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your comment. You CAN order an XT with automatic and no leather (just the regular fabric interior). I test-drove one equipped exactly that way. You are definitely not required to order the premium package (leather, sunroof, and automatic) to get the automatic.

Hope that helps.

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Old 07-06-2003, 05:37 AM   #15
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Old 07-06-2003, 02:04 PM   #16
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Here's a link to the Autoweek July 3 review online:

http://autoweek.com/search/search_di...64479&record=2

The following passage caught my eye: "...electronic throttle control system integrated with the traction control that senses how much power to deliver to the pavement..."

Traction control? First I've heard of that, and I've read everything that's been printed about the XT. I think Autoweek erred.

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Old 07-06-2003, 04:33 PM   #17
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ivesberib wrote, "And why do they package AT with moonroof and leather. I don't want leather! They need to rethink how they package these upgrades."

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your comment. You CAN order an XT with automatic and no leather (just the regular fabric interior). I test-drove one equipped exactly that way. You are definitely not required to order the premium package (leather, sunroof, and automatic) to get the automatic.

Hope that helps.

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Considering the A/T is in the premium package the moonroof should be available in all A/T models of the XT. I think that's what he's referring to.
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