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Old 07-05-2003, 07:05 PM   #1
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Angry WRX Wagon Front Endlinks [update: THEY SUCK!]

Here's a pic of the new front endlinks I just installed on my WRX (stock on left, new one on right, duh!):



First impressions: They appear to be well made and the bushings are definately a lot stiffer than the stock bushings. Turn-in is a bit quicker now. Doesn't appear to understeer any more than it used to.

Only other suspension mods right now are Kartboy rear endlinks.

I don't know what brand these are, but I bought them off another NASIOC member for about $50.

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Old 07-07-2003, 07:37 PM   #2
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How was the install. Does the car have to jacked up or on ramps.
Waiting for my lazy butt to get up and do this.

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Old 07-08-2003, 01:14 AM   #3
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Thumbs down 75 mile update: They suck!

OK, my initial impressions above were just after going around the block a bit. However, after driving about 100miles I can surely say that the front endlinks I've got suck. I noticed them starting to make noise after 10-15 miles of city driving. I tightened the bolts up again, but they still made noise.

Why? Believe it or not, I believe they're TOO STIFF! They don't allow enough freedom of movement which causes the suspension to bind putting undue stress on the mounting bolts, suspension arm and swaybar. This is because the suspension arm and swaybar do not travel in the same arc as the arm moves up and down. Without enough play in the bushings, you force the mounting points and swaybar itself to flex in directions they're not meant to. Bad things.

While this does translate into less body roll and increased grip in the corners, I am afraid that if I had left them on much longer, they would have ripped off the swaybar mounts on the front swing arm. I could already see the paint cracked in the welds!

I snapped a few pics installed, I will put them in a separate post.
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Old 07-08-2003, 01:34 AM   #4
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Here's a pic of the endlink when it was installed. From this angle you can easily see how the angle between the top and bottom bolts of the endlink will change as the suspension moves through it's travel. Without enough play in the endlink, the swaybar and suspension arm mounting points will take all the stress. I think this will quickly lead to failure of one or either of the parts.


I've got a few more pics of the endlinks.

Now I'm concerned that my Kartboy rear endlinks may not have enough play in them. It may be time to go with a set of endlinks with spherical bearings.

BTW, anyone want to buy my front endlinks? I'll sell them to you for cheap!
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Old 07-08-2003, 10:57 PM   #5
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Great... mine just shipped today Guess i will try them out anyway and see what happens.
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Old 07-08-2003, 11:57 PM   #6
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Great... mine just shipped today Guess i will try them out anyway and see what happens.
What kind did you get? If they're very similar to mine, I would attempt to return them. If not, hope that the bushings are as compliant as the stock units.

I think that the only endlinks besides stock that will work without excessive binding are:

1. Endlinks with spherical bearings
2. Possibly the Whiteline "wire" endlink as it looks like the bushing is free to pivot on the wire.
3. Aftermarket with bushings as soft as stock (which defeats the point)

BTW, Gruppe-S was going to carry some Helix endlinks for the wagons with spherical bearings, but decided not to as they claimed that there was not a noticable difference in performance.
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Old 07-09-2003, 02:02 PM   #7
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sperical bearings make a lot of clunking noise after they break-in...my aftermarket adjustable endlinks on my protege5 have those spherical bearings and they clunk like crazy over rough pavement.

on smooth roads, no prob.
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Old 07-09-2003, 04:10 PM   #8
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What kind did you get? If they're very similar to mine, I would attempt to return them. If not, hope that the bushings are as compliant as the stock units.
Yours look like the noltec ones and that's what i ordered from Nino. Anyhow, I told Nino I wanted to return them and swap them for whitelines. He says he's had these on his car for the past year and they don't make any noise. I guess I'll try them for a while, and if they clunk like you say, I'll put them up for sale.

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Old 07-09-2003, 05:01 PM   #9
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While those end-links look a lot like the Noltec, they are not the Noltec end-links. I have had a set of Noltec end-links on for the front and rear of my car for the past several months and I have not noticed any problems at all associated with them. They have been one of the mods that I have enjoyed the most on my car. One of the tricks to the end-links is to not over-torque the bolts when putting them on as that can cause them to bind.

Hope this helps.

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Old 07-15-2003, 10:46 PM   #10
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I just installed Noltec front and rear endlinks on my wagon. True, those are not the Noltecs. The Noltecs (especially on the front) allow much more flex in the rubber or urethane compound used for the bushing. Installed, they don't look like drees' at all.

I just came back from a 45 mile drive and I really like these. The steering has become more responsive and accurate and the body roll has reduced too. Overall the car feels more "tight" when shifting weight around.

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Old 07-16-2003, 02:29 AM   #11
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Cool, glad yours worked out OK. I think I'm going to hold out for the HD Whiteline endlinks for the front which are supposed to be out "any day now". Whiteline claims to have specifically designed thier HD endlinks to allow pivoting without allowing un-necessary flex up and down.
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Old 07-17-2003, 02:14 AM   #12
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Kartboy sold just new bushings for the end links some time back and I bought them. For the front I replaced just the bigger of the two bushings and I noticed very little difference. In the back I noticed it a lot but those I replaced all four of them. I have no problems with them but the benefit on the stock plastic links and 1/2 of the bushings upgraded was not that noticeable.
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I have the Whitelines, and have been pleased. No noise, and improved steering response.
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