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Old 07-11-2003, 12:50 AM   #1
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Default Cancel Order Due to Det Probs?

I have an STi on order, delivery in late July, and am having second thoughts due to the detonation issues I've been reading about. I live in New York, so finding 94 octane isn't a problem, and I do plan to add a FMIC. However, I would hope that my car would be just as reliable with the stock TMIC in 90 degrees, running on 91. It's starting to make my original consideration set (Volvo R, S4, and Evo) sound more appealing. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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Old 07-11-2003, 02:15 AM   #2
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Hi there..

I personally have an opinion that might be contrary to what most on here will say, however I will divulge it anyways. I am currently involved in the "battle" with the dealership getting them to recognize that they are a problem, and I think that if I had to do things again, I would have waited till the next model year.

I can not tell you how agonizing it is to have pined over this car for more than 6 months, receiving it and having it be everything I hoped it would be, and finally to hear miniture craters being blasted into my piston heads and cylinder walls each time I go WOT.

I am certainly not saying that owning an STI is a gaurantee you will have a run in with detonation, however you can save your self the headache if you simply wait one model year.

I realize that this isn't the enthusiasts attitude, and I realize that buying a car in its first model year is asking to be part of the shake down process. However, I feel that this is more than just a minor problem.

Finally I want to close by saying that perhaps its to early to make this decision. Afterall, our STI has less then 2K miles and the cars are less than 2 months old. Lets give subaru some time to clean this us up and then ask this question again. On the flip side, the more time we give them, the closer you are to a MY05.

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edit: This is all on 92 octane!
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Old 07-11-2003, 02:22 AM   #3
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A good rule of thumb is not to buy a new car in the first year. It will likely have a ton of problems. The Mini Cooper and RSX had a host of problems when they first came out.

This pinging issue is a bit worrisome as it isnt something that you can really control (other than driving at below 4000rpm but then why get an STI then).

In the end, it's up to you though.
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Old 07-11-2003, 02:30 AM   #4
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just put high octane gas in it... and if you cant get high enough... go buy toluene in bulk and add it to your tank.
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Old 07-11-2003, 07:04 AM   #5
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WorldOne: I just hope you don't run in the Mustang Cobra SVT 99 story... They were advertised at 320hp, they were delivering 300-305hp... Some had to sue Ford to get the problem fixed... Hope that if some of you are having problems, you won't have any probs getting your car fixed.

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Old 07-11-2003, 08:28 AM   #6
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300 miles plus and running fine. 93 octance gas and you should A OK

PS: I have taken the car over 4000K just a few times and still no knocks or pings
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Old 07-11-2003, 08:31 AM   #7
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I waited until the '03 MY to buy my WRX for this exact reason. Same reason my friend is waiting until next year to get his Forester XT.

If you can wait, then do.... it will be worth it in the end even if the changes are minor (like '02-'03).
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Old 07-11-2003, 08:43 AM   #8
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Why wait ? Just because some small percentage of STi's have a det problem. Hogwash. I have over 2000 miles and no det problem. Buy good 93 Octane Fuel and you should have no problem.

The people with problem can rightly complain but that does not mean anything but a small minority has a problem.
Subaru should fix it for them.


If you are afraid but want the car buy the extended warantee if you are not going to mod the thing.

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Old 07-11-2003, 09:17 AM   #9
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If I had to do it over again, I would have waited.

Subaru will only honor their warranty if they feel a "real" problem exists - that judgment is up to them.

So far they have been telling people that what they hear (det/ping) isn't a problem. They may be right, but I wish I had let others be the guinea pigs to ensure that it's just a perception issue rather than a long-term reliability issue.
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Old 07-11-2003, 09:17 AM   #10
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detonation has nothing to do with quality of gas..
just call subaru of America and report the problem, the more of us report this, the better SOA will recognize that this is a mass problem and will probably issue a fix/recall/ecu reflash..

CALL SOA and report your detonation!!!!
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Old 07-11-2003, 09:30 AM   #11
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You guys are making this sound like all the cars are doing it. We have delivered 7 here, mine included and have yet to have the first one report a detonation, ping, knock, or other wierd sound.
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Old 07-11-2003, 09:51 AM   #12
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CALL SOA and report your detonation!!!!

Don't call SoA. Take the car to the dealer. That's the only way for things to get resolved. The dealer needs to document it.


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Old 07-11-2003, 09:59 AM   #13
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This is like the WRX "glass transmission" problem. It gets chattered about and grows and grows until it becomes the stuff of legend, and a fundamental characteristic of the car, rather than an aberration.

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Old 07-11-2003, 10:10 AM   #14
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This is like the WRX "glass transmission" problem. It gets chattered about and grows and grows until it becomes the stuff of legend, and a fundamental characteristic of the car, rather than an aberration.

Kevin
Exactly my point.
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Old 07-11-2003, 10:23 AM   #15
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2K miles on my STi and no detonation problems. The STi is basically a 3-year old platform, all components on it have been used previously on the GC and GD platforms. I don't see how waiting to the next model year will resolve anything. Subaru is not a Ford, you know.

My '02 Blaze Yellow WRX (first USA shipment) was perfect for 20K miles with heavy auto-x use. All the monkeys that complained about broken transmissions need either learn how to shift smoothly, or stop modifying their cars beyond what factory parts can handle.

...and what if there isn't a '05 model?
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Old 07-11-2003, 10:31 AM   #16
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...and what if there isn't a '05 model?
I'm betting that they won't be around until the fall of 2004 (possible early 2005) as the WRX was a 18 month model before the 03's were released and very little changed.
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Old 07-11-2003, 10:37 AM   #17
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I'm not sure if I'm DET'ng or not, because all I hear is the turbo and the tires
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Old 07-11-2003, 10:38 AM   #18
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2500 miles on mine and the car has zero problems. I use 93 octane and have tried my best to replicate the problems _some_ people have reported. I've done low rpm pulls through every gear up-hill, nothing. I've given rides with 3-4 people in the car in 80 and 90 degree weather, up hill, and with WOT runs through the first few gears. Nothing. I autocrossed in 95+ degree heat last week, nothing. I drive up a 3000ft elevation gain to get home everyday. No problem, even in 90+ degree heat down low. The car just keeps hammering and it gets better as time goes on. If you have access to the proper gas, I wouldn't hesitate for a second.

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Old 07-11-2003, 11:09 AM   #19
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It sounds like it is a production problem of some sort, because some STis are pinging, others are not on the same gas. If that's the case, then it is just a manufacturing mishap. Sure, like when you manufacture PC boards (for example), there will be some bad ones with shorts/gaps, no matter what. That's what warranties are for. So, I don't see how next year (or year after next) model will help--They may be able to reduce the margin of error, but a margin of error will always be there.
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Old 07-11-2003, 11:31 AM   #20
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I will say this about my Sti. So far (crosses fingers, knocks on wood) my car has no det problems anytime even at wide open throttle. I have 2000Km on it and run 91 Esso Octane. Perhaps, it might be the better Canadian qaulity gas but so far it's been good.
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Old 07-11-2003, 12:49 PM   #21
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This is like the WRX "glass transmission" problem. It gets chattered about and grows and grows until it becomes the stuff of legend, and a fundamental characteristic of the car, rather than an aberration.

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Agreed,,
My dealership has delivered 4 with no reported det or ping probs.We do have 94 octane here also and that is what is used in the car from the dealer for the 1st free fill at delivery.
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Old 07-11-2003, 02:55 PM   #22
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I also have had no det. problems. I could never have waited another year for this car, I love it.
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Old 07-11-2003, 03:15 PM   #23
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the only problem i have is cash......

i need so much sheet
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Old 07-11-2003, 03:16 PM   #24
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2500 miles on mine and the car has zero problems. I use 93 octane and have tried my best to replicate the problems _some_ people have reported. I've done low rpm pulls through every gear up-hill, nothing. I've given rides with 3-4 people in the car in 80 and 90 degree weather, up hill, and with WOT runs through the first few gears. Nothing. I autocrossed in 95+ degree heat last week, nothing. I drive up a 3000ft elevation gain to get home everyday. No problem, even in 90+ degree heat down low. The car just keeps hammering and it gets better as time goes on. If you have access to the proper gas, I wouldn't hesitate for a second.

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Todd this is sort of an unfair comparison for 2 reasons.

1) We live at altitude. Here in Colorado Springs we have 3.5 less psi than sea level. So equivacally it would be like running the STi at 11psi or so at sea level = probably not going to have detonation issues

2) You are running 93 octane. Most people seem to have this problem when running 91 octane.

Personally I am not too worried because we can get away with a more aggressive tune (read timing bumps) up here than sea level people can. BUT I am going to keep a CLOSE eye on the car when I go down to sea level.
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Old 07-11-2003, 03:40 PM   #25
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Thanks for all the input. I won't be cancelling my order. With 94 octane and the FMIC, the chances of me seeing det will be further reduced... and once the aftermarket comes out with some good engine management, det won't be a concern at all. Thanks again.
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