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Old 07-11-2003, 03:56 AM   #1
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Thumbs up STi short throw shifter ... WOW

Had dealer install this today ... I should have done this sooner ... very positive and a huge improvement over stock ...

I didnt know until today this was available ... not cheap ... but boy am I happy with it!

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Old 07-11-2003, 06:29 AM   #2
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Yeah, that's the way the shifter should feel from the factory, isn't it? It is a very pleasing mod to do.

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Old 07-11-2003, 09:49 AM   #3
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Kartboy bushings improve the feel even more, btw...

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Old 07-11-2003, 06:01 PM   #4
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That is one thing I plan on doing to my Legacy!
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Old 07-11-2003, 06:10 PM   #5
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and truth be told, its not even the nicest one out there. Go for a Kartboy or BPM shifter....far less expensive, and much better feeling...makes the STi feel sloppy!

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Old 07-11-2003, 11:32 PM   #6
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There will always be disagreements on short shifter feel. I, for example, didn't like the feel of the Kartboy at all, but I prefer a shifter feel that is positive, yet smooth. The Syms shifter is the nuts, again for my tastes, I just couldn't justify spending that kind of dosh for a short shifter setup.

Also worth noting is that the STi is more expensive because you get the entire linkage as a bolt-in. Makes installation easy and, I think, contributes to the OE feel of the package.

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Old 07-11-2003, 11:59 PM   #7
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Thanks guys ...

good to see different viewpoints ...

I do like the fact the with the STi set-up you get the entire linkage ... and as a Subaru part and install ... fully covered under my extended warranty ...

Kevin ... interesting comment ... kartboy bushings ... how would you describe the difference in feel and or shifting ...



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Old 07-12-2003, 12:42 AM   #8
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Nice car Charlie

I havent tried the STi shifter, but I am with Adam here, I absolutely LOVE the Kartboy shifter. Its precise and just stiff enough, excellent feedback and you can shift it quickly if you like. This + the bushings was, dollar for dollar, the best mod on my car. It feels BMW or Prelude-esque - ok maybe a little stiffer, but sweet nonetheless.

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Old 07-12-2003, 03:21 PM   #9
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Kevin ... interesting comment ... kartboy bushings ... how would you describe the difference in feel and or shifting ...



Charlie
It gets smoother and more precise. When you compare the STi bushing to stock, you notice that it isn't that much harder than stock. The Kartboy bushings are a rock-hard Delrin insert(s) that really tighten things up nicely.

Without the Kartboy bushings, the STi shifter feels good, but it's kind of notchy. With 'em, it moves closer to the feel of the Syms short shifter, which is based on the STi setup.

I don't like a short, notchy shifter feel, which is why the STi setup appealed to me. Others like that "click, click" feel of engagement. There are all flavors for everyone.

The other thing to keep in mind is that the short shifter is simply a feel mod. It changes the lever travel, but the transmission is still doing the same thing, as it doesn't change the functional relationship between the gears and syncros.

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Old 07-12-2003, 06:32 PM   #10
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Thanks Kevin!

Where did you order or pick up your kartboy bushings ? I'll add this to my project list ....


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Old 07-12-2003, 10:42 PM   #11
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Get 'em from the good lads at Kartboy. It's an easy install, too.

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Old 07-13-2003, 03:40 PM   #12
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Ya know it's all a matter of feel,,,I've got the kartboy bushings and shifter and like it, but a friend(sold his car) just gave me the STi setup and im going to install it just to see how it feels.Then im gonna take Kevins advice and try the kartboy bushings on the Sti.
I just love playing with parts

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Old 07-13-2003, 05:23 PM   #13
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Hey Rudy,

it's great to have someone step up to give us all a direct comparison ... totally objective of course ...

please do keep us posted ...

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