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Old 07-14-2003, 07:43 PM   #1
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Angry 6,000 miles and my STi is using oil, THIS IS BS!!!!!

BEFORE ANYONE PANICS PLEASE NOTE:
The person in this thread by his own admission did not use a new crush washer on the oil drain plug and then saw a small puddle of oil underneath the car, that potentially could be the problem. Just thought I would write this in here because of the tendency of everyone to panic and not read the full thread.
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I am so pissed I just got back from the beach yesterday and didn't drive the car at all today and find a small puddle of fresh oil under my STi. I check the oil and it's on the bottom mark on my dipstick. And I check it frequently (it's a habit) A quart low and only 6,000 miles. I even took a longer time period to break in my engine. I took 3,000 miles to break it in, and nothing over 4,000 rpm's. I changed the oil at 1,000 miles with regular oil, and then at 3,000 miles with Mobil 1 5w30 full synthetic. I just installed my Blitz SUS last week. What's the chance SOA will not fix it saying modification voided my warranty. If it is using oil, how will they fix it. I am so pissed I waited for this God Damn car for so long, I don't know what to do.
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Old 07-14-2003, 07:48 PM   #2
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i think the best thing to do is put the stock air box back on and take it to your dealer..

did you change oil yourself?

if so, could it have been anything you done wrong??

hope u fix the problem soon..
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Old 07-14-2003, 07:49 PM   #3
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maybe proof that the "easy break-in" really does suck?

either way, switch back to the dino oil first and see how it goes. and make sure everything is tight.
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Old 07-14-2003, 07:53 PM   #4
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The first oil change was done by a Jiffy Lube since I was out of town. The second was done by me and I always change my own oil so I'm sure everything was done right.
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Old 07-14-2003, 07:56 PM   #5
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How is a puddle on the floor indicative of a car using oil?

So what part of the engine is the puddle under? The filter or the drain plug?

Better yet, go hire a lawyer. Probably only cost ~$200/hr for he/she to write a letter to SOA.
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Old 07-14-2003, 07:57 PM   #6
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SilverSTI: I dont like your post. Dont try to create drama. If you saw a "small puddle of fresh oil under my STi" then the car isnt using oil, its leaking.
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Old 07-14-2003, 08:00 PM   #7
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Old 07-14-2003, 08:03 PM   #8
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It is when the puddle is very small and I had someone check the exhaust and it spit all over their hand. Can you tell from looking at the exhaust of a running car that the oil is being burned. I can. I am not your average 18 rich kid that got their car from mommy and daddy, so I don't care if you don't like my post. I'm stating facts.
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Old 07-14-2003, 08:11 PM   #9
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The first oil change was done by a Jiffy Lube
You just found the problem
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Old 07-14-2003, 08:26 PM   #10
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You just found the problem


Explain to me how this was the problem. I was out of town and they did the initial oil change. I check my oil frequently. I did the second oil change and my oil has never been low even a bit. Until today when I checked it.
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Old 07-14-2003, 08:34 PM   #11
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Last time I check, burned oil doesn't leak to the floor, especially not right under your engine. check your oil filter and the drain plug, must be something came loose a while after your oil change.
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Old 07-14-2003, 08:41 PM   #12
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The first oil change was done by a Jiffy Lube since I was out of town. The second was done by me and I always change my own oil so I'm sure everything was done right.
So, just to clear things up. When you did the oil change did you install a new CRUSH washer? They are designed to be used once and chucked.

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It is when the puddle is very small and I had someone check the exhaust and it spit all over their hand. Can you tell from looking at the exhaust of a running car that the oil is being burned. I can. I am not your average 18 rich kid that got their car from mommy and daddy, so I don't care if you don't like my post. I'm stating facts.
It really spit oil on the persons hand and not just sooty condensation?
If it really spit oil out of the tail pipe then you have a problem with the turbo and it doesn't really have anything to do with the breakin. Break-in is mainly for seating the rings. If this was the problem then it would mean that oil is getting past the rings and it would be burning it, so out the exhaust you would get smoke and not liquid. For it to be spitting out oil you would have to have a seal leak in the turbo that would be "injecting" the oil into the exhaust post engine.


Hope some of this helps. Also, I would never trust Jiffy lube. I've heard too many stories of bumb stuff and even the occasional "they forgot to install the drain plug before filling it and driving it out to the lot." Ok I've only heard that from one person, but I have heard several people complain of over filling and under filling, and several that got their car back with no cap up top.

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Old 07-14-2003, 08:47 PM   #13
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never ever go to jiffy lube.

that is all i can say after replacing a what used to be a very reliable engine 7MGE of our Toyota Cressida.

I looked down and didn't find a plug...blew up the engine. i don't know if it was intentional but i heard a lot of similar stories.

I would rather have the dealer service my STi. probably a few dollars more but they install the right filter.
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Old 07-14-2003, 08:50 PM   #14
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So you're saying that somehow while you were out of town with 1,000 miles on your STI, The car found it's way to Jiffy Lube for the first oil change? And you don't think the noobs at Jiffy Lube didn't drive your car or thrash your engine? Just a thought.

Jiffy Lube seems to do a great job on most domestics and your "Average" import. i.e Camry,Maxima,Civic,Accord.

They cost me alot when they had previously to me buying my Audi 5000 topped off all the fluids. But used "Average" fluids in all the resevoirs.
Not the special green hydraulic fluid it was supposed to use. $15-$18 a quart once a month. Either that or replace the steering rack. I'd already replaced the brake system
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Old 07-14-2003, 09:01 PM   #15
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You just found the problem [Jiffy Lube]
I'll second that. I've heard too many stories, a few of the firsthand, about quick oil change shops making mistakes. If you can do it yourself, do. It's worth the peace of mind. Alternatively, have the dealer do it. I do it myself, but am pretty sure my dealer will do it for around $20.
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Old 07-14-2003, 09:02 PM   #16
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Explain to me how this was the problem.
I should let you also know, I had a friend who used to be a head manager for the local Jiffy Lube in my area. They usually hire High School drop outs who cant even pass their GED test. You dont even want to know what they do the people who leave their brand new $30,000+ luxury cars/sport cars at the Jiffy Lube garage... Can you say free test drive without the pressure to buy?
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Old 07-14-2003, 09:40 PM   #17
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Default Calm the - - - k down, and use you head, since you not the average rich kid,..

Dude ,..calm down and start checking your "no way its my fault " oil change and crush washer and check it out before you rush to start drama on this forum,..mainly 'cause non of us play into that sorta' thing.

Once you've done that, maybe you'll put the stock box back on,VERYnice and tide-ee and watch what you say when you take it to the dealer,....try not to have any 12.99 time slips, or sport compact magazine in your car, cause you know they are looking for a way out.

Maybe even take it to a different dealer than you normally do !!

But main thing is,......CALM DOWN,..!!! Its gonna be all right,

as BOB MARLEY said,.." ev ver ree ting is gonna bee all right,.."

chill out,..we do love ya' ,..................and yes you do sound like a little rich kid,..no offense,...but ya do !!

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Seriously,..I use to be a Subaru Service Manager,..and you're gonna be fine,..they will take care of you, as long as you dont get worked up,..remember, those guys are like the people making your food,..( or in this case, the guys making your engine !!) opps that one slipped out,......just chill,..you'll be alright..


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Old 07-14-2003, 09:43 PM   #18
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Well if raw oil is coming out the exhaust then your converter must shot too! I think it's there to burn off the excess hydocarbons after combustion so we all can breath clean air.
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Old 07-14-2003, 09:44 PM   #19
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A warranty is for the few cars that develop various problems, a sort of insurance policy if you will. Any brand of car you buy will have a few problem cars. Restore your car to stock and take it in. If everyone starts developing this problem, that is a very differant story. Recall, etc... Good luck. I hope it's something minor!
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Old 07-14-2003, 09:49 PM   #20
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As someone with years in the mechanic business, I can tell you one thing and this holds true the entire country.
The ONLY types of people that work at places like Jiffy lube, Speedy muffler, etc.. are
1. Newbie techs, may be great mechanics some day, but they are just starting out. They WILL make mistakes, do you want to chance it being on YOUR car?
2.REALLY bad techs, so bad that they cant manage to keep a job at a dealership or other real shop. Do you want these idiots working on your car?
3. Burn outs. (alcoholics/druggies) Nuff Said.

Do you have ANY idea how many engines I helped rebuild/rebuilt because jiffy lube put the new filter on, on top of the o ring from the old filter (thus letting all the oil leak out and blow the engin within 5-10 miles)
OR how many times I replaced calipers/wheelcyls/master cyls then spent HOURS flushing lines because some moron at jiffy lube topped off the master cyl with power steering fluid ( I can count at LEAST 5 times, in 2 different states)


Here is the point. If you value the safety of your car AT ALL. NEVER EVER EVER let jiffy lube touch it.


Next.
You are an idiot to begin with. Your car is using oil? ReallY Last time I checked, burnt oil comes out the tail pipe as white smoke. Not drips on the floor.
My $$$ is on you and/or jiffy lube not using a new crush washer on the oil change and now the plug is leaking.
Oh and CONGRATS on your choice to take your brand new, top of the line model car to a shop that uses the CHEAPEST and LOWEST quality oil filters available. You must REALLY care about your car.
Please sell it and buy a hyundai
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Old 07-14-2003, 09:52 PM   #21
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So you're saying that somehow while you were out of town with 1,000 miles on your STI, The car found it's way to Jiffy Lube for the first oil change? And you don't think the noobs at Jiffy Lube didn't drive your car or thrash your engine? Just a thought.

Jiffy Lube seems to do a great job on most domestics and your "Average" import. i.e Camry,Maxima,Civic,Accord.

They cost me alot when they had previously to me buying my Audi 5000 topped off all the fluids. But used "Average" fluids in all the resevoirs.
Not the special green hydraulic fluid it was supposed to use. $15-$18 a quart once a month. Either that or replace the steering rack. I'd already replaced the brake system
It never left my sight, I'd never let anyone drive my car out of my sight even for a minute.

It wasn't the Jiffy oil change. Like I said I check my oil frequently and even did the second change on my own and checked the oil Friday before leaving for the beach and when I came back, a quart low. It has been 3k miles since I changed it so it couldn't be the crush ring, if that were a problem it would have shown much earlier.
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Old 07-14-2003, 09:54 PM   #22
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dude, wake up, new cars have problems. Its a fact of life.
easy 3 out of 10 comes back within the first week with SOMETHING wrong with it.
Sorry for flaming you so hard last post but your post really annoyed me.
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Old 07-14-2003, 10:06 PM   #23
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Why does every one have to be an ass? No, I'm not some rich kid, I'm a 31 year old accountant whom has everything I have because I worked for it. And I am not some newbie to performance cars. I also have a fully build Civic turbo, so I do know a thing or two about engines, Yes I know not to trust the dudes at Jiffy Lube but I wanted to change the oil and happened to be out of town, What is expected, run to Walmart and buy oil, filter jack and jack stands and change my oil in my shirt and tie out side my hotel room. I just want some helpful information to make this as an easy process as possible. I have waited for this car for so long. Is it not possible for anyone to understand how pissed I am for me to drop 32k on this car for it to be using oil after 6k miles. Sorry to sound harsh but this just ruined my day on to be topped of by flamers.
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Old 07-14-2003, 10:18 PM   #24
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Quote:
Originally posted by Davenow
As someone with years in the mechanic business, I can tell you one thing and this holds true the entire country.
The ONLY types of people that work at places like Jiffy lube, Speedy muffler, etc.. are
1. Newbie techs, may be great mechanics some day, but they are just starting out. They WILL make mistakes, do you want to chance it being on YOUR car?
2.REALLY bad techs, so bad that they cant manage to keep a job at a dealership or other real shop. Do you want these idiots working on your car?
3. Burn outs. (alcoholics/druggies) Nuff Said.
I must have lucked out when I had exhaust pipes bent at meinike muffler shop, he might of been a 18 yr. old alcolholic/druggie burn out, but he sure did a hell of a job replicating the bends on stock Beretta GTZ exhaust piping.
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Old 07-14-2003, 10:27 PM   #25
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It may just be blow by, but since we don't have forged pistons, blow by shouldn't be a problem. Any mods besides the SUS?

You may have leaned out a little with that mod, and took some rings with it.

Since you've worked on cars before, why not do a quick leak down and see if that is the case?

Also, 6K already? Damn, you drive alot. When did you get your car?
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