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Old 07-14-2003, 11:05 PM   #1
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Default well i am sure my head gaskets are gone

After about a month or so since my last post about the car over heating, i thought it was a one time thing for awhile b4 for they finally would blow.

Well after some hard driving this sunday the car over heated like mad, and parked it in a shopping center parking lot and walked to the other side to a targer to get some coolant we put in about a half gallon of it, and last time i refilled it was my last thread about this.

Talking to rhdude on the phone we came to the conclusion they are gone. I called the subaru dealership to get an estimate they said about 2500, my jaw droped i was like DAMN. Then i called my local mechanic and the said about 1700 and those prices are with the a new water pump and timing belt.

Hi my name is Jeremy and mine blew with 70,100 miles, kinda like an AA meeting .


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Old 07-14-2003, 11:17 PM   #2
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Hi my name is James and i threw a rod at 61200.

cost me $3000. if i did it again, i would have a non subaru mechanic put a WRX engine in for me.
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Old 07-15-2003, 01:54 AM   #3
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sucky
make sure you have no air in the system, I thought my HG's were going, I just hadn't bled the air out so the temp sensor(which is under the intake manifold in a metal passageway) would get no water going over it and temp would go sky high in like 3 seconds
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Old 07-15-2003, 08:01 AM   #4
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2500?!!! A local dealer where I am at did it for about $1300. Plus I got my front axle boots rebuilt, a new clutch put in and my timing belt changed for about $2000 altogether. The only reason why I had a dealer fix the head gasket for me was just in case Subaru had a campaign on this in the future, I have my receipt to show that I had paid for this and I could try to get my money back. I had the head gasket replaced in early March and no problems so far. One dealer had quoted me at around $1800. The one I went to quoted me at about $1400-$1500 (depends if your heads need to be resurfaced or not). The price you were were quoted is real high. You could get another EJ25 for much cheaper than that (and probably get it installed for that price or less too). Constantly check your coolant b4 getting it fixed so the heads don't get damaged (hopefully they aren't already). I carried around two gallons of coolant and a turkey baster (to suck the coolant out of the reservoir) b4 getting it fixed. Every where I went I would check the coolant to see how low it was (kind of a pain but, unfortunately, neccessary at the time). Good luck.

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Old 07-15-2003, 09:40 AM   #5
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Just incase it happens to me, what happens when your head gaskets blow that indicates that they blew? Thanks.
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Old 07-15-2003, 10:26 AM   #6
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Well, since I get to pick up my wagon this afternoon from my new independent mechanic following new HeadGaskets on both sides I guess I'm equally qualified to answer that.
Overheating is the first obvious sign something's amiss. The overflow tank is the first place to look next. On the Phase1 motors the leak is usually internal into a coolant passage and the exhaust gases leaking through the bad gasket force coolant out into the overflow, sometimes overflowing, and in worst case forcing all the coolant from the system and melting the engine down. Gas bubbles in the tank, as well as carbon-looking exhaust byproducts in the coolant are also present. Later, Phase2 motors develop external leaks that are a little easier to diagnose.

Guess I went longer than most, with 119+K-miles on my GT. It happened 300 miles from home and I sweat bullets all the way home with one eye on the temp gauge, but she got us home safely and it was found that the leak was still minor, doing no real damage. Except to my wallet at just on $2K!!

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Old 07-15-2003, 12:07 PM   #7
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wow, I'm shivering my boots. Still no blown gasket for me and I'm at 80k
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Old 07-15-2003, 12:48 PM   #8
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mono, It's starting to look like this should be on the "regular maintenance" schedule. From what my guy says he pulls the motor to do the timing belt and valve adjustment at 105K-miles. Virtually ALL the motors show signs of the heads "moving" at that point, and a valve job, or at a minimum valve guides are recommended. If I had been at that stage when I hit that mileage I would have seriously considered going the whole 9 yards (previous owner had clutch and T-Belt done at 80K just B4 I purchased the car). If nothing else it would give peace of mind when the wife is off on a jaunt after dark, but, maybe that's just another sign of "Old Fart's Disease"!!

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Old 07-15-2003, 02:18 PM   #9
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Had a warning spike at 115k (like 2 seconds, cranked up to hot, then fell back down, I figured it was a bubble), then no symptoms whatsoever, then it blew at 120k on the dot as I was pulling into Palm Springs, with no scoob dealer in sight, at christmas.......wheeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!

Got dicked around by a repair shop down there, then finally had to take my GF's Beetle home so I could see MY family at christmas, pay $350 to get it flatbedded to santa cruz and a reliable dealer, and $2200 to get the gaskets, water pump, timing belt done. At least the service tech took pity on me and had the machine shop put some hot sauce on my heads (gratis) after they resurfaced the mating edges, and gave me a brand new (4 miles!) legacy GT wagon to tool around in till it was done ..........

So, $2700 for a port and polish, good deal, eh?
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Old 07-15-2003, 03:01 PM   #10
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yeah back in May i thought i just had an air bubble when it went up for a few seconds after a hard drive. But this time i no it was for sure, i am not sure if they are completely gone because some people say it would heat then a month or two down the road it would again, then a few weeks and then everytime they drove.

I know it is something is going to have to be done but it just sucks because I have to wait until Monday until i get paid to fix it, i am going to see the mortgage guy on thursday and i want my accounts to look stable.

So in the mean time i am driving a 90 honda civic with 157k miles that had its head gaskets two octobers ago,


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Old 07-15-2003, 03:20 PM   #11
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mono, It's starting to look like this should be on the "regular maintenance" schedule. From what my guy says he pulls the motor to do the timing belt and valve adjustment at 105K-miles. Virtually ALL the motors show signs of the heads "moving" at that point, and a valve job, or at a minimum valve guides are recommended. If I had been at that stage when I hit that mileage I would have seriously considered going the whole 9 yards (previous owner had clutch and T-Belt done at 80K just B4 I purchased the car). If nothing else it would give peace of mind when the wife is off on a jaunt after dark, but, maybe that's just another sign of "Old Fart's Disease"!!

Glenn O
Actually, I'm secretly hoping the whole engine explodes, that way I HAVE to do a swap to an EJ20. Unfortunately, I've been really good about scheduled maintinence, so the engine seems to be purring along really nicely these days.
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Old 07-15-2003, 04:29 PM   #12
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how much do they actual headgaskets cost to buy if someone was going to put them in by themselves?

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Old 07-15-2003, 06:12 PM   #13
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i called the dealership back in may and they said 80 or 90, maybe cheaper else where, i live near DC and everything here is expensive.

I talked to rhdude and he said it would take about a weekend for someone to do it themselves with the proper tools.


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Old 07-15-2003, 06:17 PM   #14
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Great.. I have no idea what maintenance was done to my car before I got it. Bought it at 98k, at 108k now, and at the end of the month, I leave from Baltimore to head up through Chicago, and on to the UP. All I have to say, is if it hasn't been done yet, it BETTER not go until September. At least then I can swap in my EJ20.. just not enought time to do it before then though..
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Old 07-15-2003, 07:00 PM   #15
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Awwwwww, $hiznit. I had the temp spike 2 weeks ago, went away, replaced the thermostat just in case. Crap. Do I really want an ej20 in there?? I mean, my 2.5 isn't that fast, but it pulls well enough and doesn't suffer from lag. Hmmmmm....$2700 for head gaskets is getting close to swap pricing.

Jeremy- if you need help let me know. Email me and I'll try to be free to help.
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Old 07-15-2003, 07:44 PM   #16
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wow, I'm shivering my boots. Still no blown gasket for me and I'm at 80k
be afraid, be very afraid. it's going to happen!
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Old 07-15-2003, 08:22 PM   #17
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thanx lucien but i am just going to take it to my mechanic, i would love to save the money and get the experience but my schedule conflicts with everything so, it would just be easier dropping it off and picking it up a few days later.

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Old 07-15-2003, 09:11 PM   #18
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Not sure if this is head gasket related but pretty sure it is something to do with valves.

My 2001 GT wagon had new gaskets and timing belt at 40,000 because the guy I bought it from is a Suby mechanic and said that it should be done as they will probably have to be done anyway and he was trying to sweeten the deal.

What I have noticed though is pinging in 3rd gear(automatic) at about 2500-3000rpm that sounds like a chain dragging on the pavement. Mostly I notice it when under load like up hill.

Any ideas???

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Old 07-15-2003, 09:52 PM   #19
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My head gaskets went with 20K on. Lucky I was still on the warranty.

I found out my head gaskets were blown because I was smelling burnt oil coming out of my heating/ac vents.

The way a horizontally opposed engine lays down, a leaking gasket will drip or spray oil all over the exhaust headers. The smell from the oil was drifting right up to the climate control air intake opening below the windshield. (But only when I stopped at a light. At speed, the odor would be blown out of the engine compartment.)

You'll also notice oil blowback along the entire undercarriage starting at the headers.
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Old 07-15-2003, 10:08 PM   #20
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wow mine has been like since the fall, everytime i would turn it on if i didnt let it warm up for like 7 minutes there would be smoke everywhere when i stopped.

I've always wondered what it was but figured it was condensation since it was in late fall early winter.

So my question is it burning oil or is it burning anti-freeze/coolant that has dripped onto the headers?


thanx

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Old 07-15-2003, 10:18 PM   #21
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FWIW, in most cases the DOHC has more internal leaking and SOHC has more visible, external type leaking... this is what I have read and been told by mechanics anyway.

I've been trying to put together a web page devoted to the 2.5l HG issues, any feedback would be appreciated:

http://users.sisna.com/ignatius/subaru/headgasket.html

There are so many small threads that could be added to my little list, but I have chosen these which have a lot of replies and hopefully useful information.

Anyone else read that Autobild survey? Haven't seen many people mention it, but it seems very relevant to the problems that many people have reported.

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