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Old 07-15-2003, 11:23 AM   #1
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Default Another Turbo Timer and Factory Alarm question

I have the Blitz Dual and the factory alarm. One day I misplaced my keys so all I had was the spare key with no remote to disarm the alarm. So I went into the car with the alarm sounding trying to do the key cycling technique to disengage the alarm. Well, it didn't work.

My question is, do you think the installation of the TT disabled the function of manually disengaging the alarm by turning the key back and forth 3 times?

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Old 07-16-2003, 02:06 PM   #2
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sounds like it. the grey wire off the security module in the center console is the input wire from the ignition switch. this wire gets hot when the key is in the ignition position. if the wire is snipped then the security module isn't able to detect the key being turned on and off.

if you wish to retain this feature you will need to incorporate some relays to allow the vehicle to lock while the turbo timer is operating.

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Old 07-16-2003, 02:41 PM   #3
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Thanks for the reply. So, is there a better way to get the TT working with the alarm and keep this feature?
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yes, you can wire up a relay with a momentary push button. if you need to disarm your alarm w/o the keyfob you need to push the momentary button and turn your car on and off 3 times to disarm the alarm.

it would appear that disarming your alarm by turning the ignition key 3 times is a bad design. theoretically, anyone can disarm your alarm by forcing your ignition cylinder with a screw driver, dent puller, feeding your ignition wire 12 volt source 3 times etc.

get a 12 volt relay and a momentary button.

Pin 86 to a fused constant 12 volt source 5 amps should be enough.
Pin 87 to the grey wire coming from the ignition side
Pin 30 to the grey wire going to the security module
Pin 85 to momentary switch, then to ground

To disarm your alarm with your key:

1) Press and hold the momentary button
2) Insert your ignition key and turn it on and off 3 times
3) Alarm should be disarmed and release the momentary button

Hide the momentary button in a convenient location such as glove compartment, under the dash, or anywhere you fancy!

or you may use an adequate toggle switch to connect the grey wires together. that would be the easiest way.

the other way would be an automatic approach using several relays that disconnects the grey and green/black wires when the turbo timer is operating. after the turbo timer has finished the grey and green/black wires are reconnected as if nothing happened.

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Old 07-16-2003, 04:41 PM   #5
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wow, sounds like that'll work.

But you bring up an interesting point. It does seem like an easy loophole for thieves to bypass the ignition kill.

How do thieves start cars that do have alarms with ignition kills?
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If I wanted the added security of disabling the grey wire, how would I start the car w/o the keyfob?
(Nevermind. I think you answered this question already. I think what I wanted to say is, is there a way to start my car w/o adding the relay and momentary switch.)

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Typical alarms employ a starter kill. whereas the Clifford G4 and the new G5 not the RS variants have both a Starter & Ignition Kills security features.

Clifford G4 & G5 alarms have a coded valet switch that requires you to enter a secret code via a 2 button valet switch. Older alarms required a person to flip a toggle switch and turn the ignition key to disarm the alarm.

The upgraded Subaru Security system is pretty easy to bypass since the module and wire locations are commonly known. If you feel this isn't secure enough for you, you can always add a secret security kill and/or fuel pump kill switch as well.

You would only need to push the momentary button when you need to disarm the alarm w/o the keyfob. Otherwise it won't be needed.

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wow, sounds like that'll work.

But you bring up an interesting point. It does seem like an easy loophole for thieves to bypass the ignition kill.

How do thieves start cars that do have alarms with ignition kills?
and
If I wanted the added security of disabling the grey wire, how would I start the car w/o the keyfob?
(Nevermind. I think you answered this question already. I think what I wanted to say is, is there a way to start my car w/o adding the relay and momentary switch.)
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