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Old 05-18-2001, 09:44 AM   #1
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Post RS has a little brother in Japan

Sorry if this has been covered, but take a look here:
http://210.254.95.20/showroom/pleo_rs/kabe_05.htm
http://210.254.95.20/showroom/pleo_rs/kabe_07.htm

This thing has
DOHC 16v I4 658cc + Supercharger w/ Intercooler = 64ps @ 6k RPM

CVT with manual controller : 7-speed buttons on the steering wheel.

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Old 05-18-2001, 09:50 AM   #2
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i'd buy one

i think it is also a car in sega gt
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Old 05-18-2001, 09:51 AM   #3
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heh, cute. i'd be afraid of someone stealing it though. all they'd have to do is pick it up.
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Old 05-18-2001, 09:56 AM   #4
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Ah man... They get the stereo with an MD player in it. Lucky ducks.

Comes in 4WD as well. Subaru rules. What's the wheel base on those things? Aren't they about the size of the original mini-cooper?
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Old 05-18-2001, 10:38 AM   #5
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I would like to have ANY of the Micro cars in Japan. Those things rule.

Especially the Honda City Turbo. DAMN!!! Those things are quick!!! I knew a guy that owned one. He was in teh military and had it shipped over. Thing has a little three cylinder engine in it...kinda looks like a Geo, with the exception of the DOHC. But it has a very small little turbo attatched to the exaust manifold. IT spools VERY quickly, and the car just takes off. Even with two people in the car, it made a Civic Si look bad...that should give you an idea of just how damn quick that little bugger is.

Oh, and it gets 64 MPG.
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Old 05-18-2001, 11:01 AM   #6
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STi even makes parts for it!
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Old 05-18-2001, 11:04 AM   #7
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If you guys play GT on playstation. I believe you can buy this car too.
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Old 05-18-2001, 01:45 PM   #8
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I think the WRX would look better with this model's steering wheel. Unless of course it's proportional to the 'micro' body.
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Old 05-18-2001, 02:04 PM   #9
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This was recently announced on SOJ's web site. Since it's got a CVT, I'm not sure where the 7 speeds come in? My understanding of CVT trannys is that the transmission is really a series of pullys, not gears, that are able to maximize the engine's power.

BTW, the new upcoming Audi A4 3.0 V6 FWD (not AWD), I believe, will come standard with a CVT. To the best of my knowledge, this is the first time a relatively high-output engine has been hooked up, to a CVT.

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Old 05-18-2001, 02:17 PM   #10
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rsholland,

Yes, I believe you're correct. This Audi CVT sounds to me like the first large scale application of a CVT to a high output car, outside of some experimental Formula 1 cars tested just prior to FIA's ban on any form of automatic or semiautomatic transmissions.

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Old 05-18-2001, 05:18 PM   #11
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Yes, you're right about the CVT. I was reading the SOJ site very carefully and it said that the computer pre-select the ratio for each speed. It's like the first gear has a ratio between 4.0:1 and 4.4:1, and the second gear has a ratio between 3.6:1 to 4.0:1. You can select fully automatic CVT or factory-defined manually controlled CVT. That's what it said. I'll post the specific info later.
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Old 05-18-2001, 07:40 PM   #12
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please dont beat me, but CVT???
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Old 05-18-2001, 07:47 PM   #13
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how much is it?
i want oneeeeeeeee
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Old 05-18-2001, 08:04 PM   #14
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Wow... I want one!!! Maybe if I ever move where I can afford a car in Japan... haha
http://210.254.95.20/showroom/pleo_rs/

I think it'd be around US$11k.

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Old 05-18-2001, 08:16 PM   #15
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I just posted a picture of this car... at random on another thread.. a few days ago.

Looks like someone TOOK A CLOSER LOOK!
good.
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Old 05-19-2001, 12:46 AM   #16
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<FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Ok, that thing kicks ass... I've always thought that! It's like a Suzuki Sidekick on crack .

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Old 05-19-2001, 03:22 AM   #17
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I now had a chance to take a even more close look:

It costs approximately $13k for a 2WD and a little more for an 4WD (It says 4WD, not AWD).

Wheelbase : 2310mm.

Weight (4WD): 910kg (approx. 1900lb).

4 disk brakes w/ ventilated 13in front disks.

Engine is listed at above thread. It claims the gas mileage is at 16km/L = 40mpg.

Viscous Coupling 4WD.

MD/CD Player.

It has a Sportshift 7spd CVT. At fully automatic mode, the ratio is from 2.432 to 0.442. At manual 7spd mode, the ratio is:
1st -&gt; 2.432-1.791
2nd -&gt; 1.700-1.324
3rd -&gt; 1.250-1.007
4th -&gt; 0.900-0.795
5th -&gt; 0.700-0.665
6th -&gt; 0.550
7th -&gt; 0.442
This sportshift CVT is licenced by Prodrive. It's more like a tip-tonic tranny, except it's a CVT.

This car is interesting.

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Old 05-19-2001, 04:05 AM   #18
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Damn! That interior kicks ass. And the 7 gear manual shift thingy...wow!
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Old 05-19-2001, 04:45 AM   #19
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CVT on 3.0 liter V6 is already available in Japan in Nissan Gloria and Nissan Cedric for a while.
This was the first high power CVT I believe. Both cars has 280 horsepower.
Nissan Premera (JDM Infitity G20) has 6 speed CVT in Japan.
Since CVT doesn't actually have gears, I guess manufactures can make 8 speed, 10 speed, or whatever they want.

Isn't it cool if we can control the gear ratio on-board. I hope somebody do this.
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Old 05-19-2001, 07:38 AM   #20
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I guess the real question is "why?" Why go to the trouble of creating a so-called 7 speed tip-tronic type of CVT?

Again, my understanding is that to get the most of a CVT, all you do is floor it, and let the tranny figure it out. Is there a "performance" advantage to having a 7 (or 8, or 20, etc.) emulated gears? Or is it just something that the driver can play with, but offers no real advantage?

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Old 05-19-2001, 09:03 PM   #21
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Wow, now imagine people in the US getting their asses kicked by that thing, and having no clue what the hell just happened...It reminds of the racing geo metro story floating around, except this car is actually pretty nasty...heh..

Stop light...some modded Civic rolls up next to you...You hear the engine rev, so you rev meekly, trying to hold on to that appearance of 'suck' for as long as you can. Light turns green, and VRROOOOMM you're a car length ahead just to start, and by the next light, your taillights are all he sees...He rolls up next to you again, not knowing what the hell happened, thinking he just got beat by a geo with a bodykit...hehe

Edit: duh.

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Old 05-19-2001, 11:12 PM   #22
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What the freak is that???? RS.. is that an Impreza Wagon or an Minivan??? Looks weird??


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Old 05-20-2001, 01:54 AM   #23
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That lil thing's cool!

It needs a hood scoop, though.
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Old 05-20-2001, 09:04 AM   #24
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How does a cars CVT work? I have a CVT on my snowmobile, simple two clutchs: one is the primary and the other is the driven and they continually open and close depending on the required rpm load. So what am I missing, how can you have a CONTINOUSLY VARIABLE TRANMITION that is semi manually controled by a "shift" mechanism. THanks for the info.
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Old 05-20-2001, 09:08 AM   #25
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A car with a CVT (i.e. Honda Civic HX) has 2 big cone shaped gears connected by a heavy duty belt. They are laying opposite to each other; so the one with the big end is facing the the one with the smaller end. By using the belt, you can have almost an infinite amount of gear ratios, thus improving efficiency.
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