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Old 07-17-2003, 09:13 AM   #1
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in Snooty Area of Darien, CT. Hardly speeding seriously
11 40ish at night only one on the road. I pass two cops going average speed. I am at a FULL stop at a stop light and a cop who is not speeding towards me with no flashing light pulls up behind me. I wait for the light to turn green and take a left and as soon as I take a left the cop pulls me over. He states I was going 54 in a 35 and he gave me a ticket for 144 dollars. Another cop buddy of his come to my car with a flash light AFTER the original officer had already taken my reg and license and searched the inside of my car. Please let me know if I should pay ticket or fight ticket..

also if you pay ticket does it go on record?
also if you fight ticket does it go on record?
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Old 07-17-2003, 09:22 AM   #2
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ALWAYS fight it unless you morally feel guilty and you know you deserve it.

I don't know how the point system works in your state, but in most places, pleading guilty means automatic insurance hike. I always fight to get the points dropped/reduced. Just talk to the cop before court, ask him if there is anything he can do to help you out. If you were polite and respectful, they will usually work something out with you. You will probably still have to pay the fine, but you can almost always get the points reduced/dropped, which is what's most important for insurance and driving privilege.
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Old 07-17-2003, 09:28 AM   #3
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why did they search the inside of your car? was it just shining the light in it or did they actually go inside your car? come on, give it up, you're a huge drug dealer aren't u!!!??? j/k i'd fight it. i've fought 2 and both times they were reduced to "failure to obey a traffic device"(ny state). the fine is cheaper and it's fewer points on the license. who knows, u could win, depends on the mood of the judge that day.
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Old 07-17-2003, 09:49 AM   #4
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had flash light in the rear seats of car and front seat over and over again.
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Old 07-17-2003, 10:32 AM   #5
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had flash light in the rear seats of car and front seat over and over again.
Is that 'searching' or 'admiring'?
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Old 07-17-2003, 10:38 AM   #6
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You never told us how fast you were going. It never hurts to go to court. The worst thing that could is happen is they make you pay the ticket and give you the points. The best thing is the cop might not show up, and you get off scott free.

A buddy of mine is robert crawford II, the cop put robert crawford JR on the ticket. My buddy went to court, and told the judge he was not robert crawford jr, case dismissed.
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Old 07-17-2003, 10:52 AM   #7
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That sucks man - sorry to hear it. Fight it would be my advice too - worse case scenario is that it doesn't hurt matters any. On a more positive note I'd like to say hello.....I have an '04 Java Black/silver STi - home is Monroe and work is New Canaan - sure at some point we'll pass one another! Best of luck on the tick.
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Old 07-17-2003, 11:00 AM   #8
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Fight the ticket.

About the search...

Did he physically get inside your car and snoop around or did he use his flashlight from the outside and looked in?

Unless they have probable cause, they must ask your permission to search your car inside. They will always ask even if they do have probable cause. (mostly)
But they are more than welcome (legal)to use whatever means outside the car to see what you have inside.

Its a no-no if they just do a simple traffic stop, tell you toget outta the car and search your car thoroughly inside.

Cheers,

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Old 07-17-2003, 11:18 AM   #9
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Go to court, hope the cop doesn't show and if this is your first offense they may reduce the charge to a non-moving violation instead of speeding (1 or 2 points I think)......you may still get a hefty fine though.
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Old 07-17-2003, 11:19 AM   #10
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Perhaps the cop thought your car was too fast and was looking for NOS.
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Old 07-17-2003, 11:29 AM   #11
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Yes, it will go on your record. Go to court, and you can probly get it down to 10MPH over. Just say, I didnt know my speed, but I certain that it wasnt 10MPH over the limit.

10-20 is much worse than 0-9MPH, as far as points and insurance
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Old 07-17-2003, 12:25 PM   #12
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You might consider hiring a lawyer. I know of a few here in WA that get folks off 90% of the time. They can almost always find some discrepancy to get you off on.

It'll cost more than the ticket, but potentially less than your increased insurance rates.

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Old 07-17-2003, 01:09 PM   #13
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fight it!

even you if you lose it, u can usually get it for a lesser amount
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Old 07-17-2003, 01:13 PM   #14
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Yea hopefully you have a lawyer, if your lucky he can probally just work out a deal, with something like this probally even get you totally off the hook.
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Old 07-17-2003, 01:53 PM   #15
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Exclamation My advice. Don't turn left on a red light!

My advice. Don't turn left on a red light! I am not sure about the laws in CT but you can't turn left on a red where I am from.
Just a little confusion by the way. I hope it gets dropped.
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Old 07-17-2003, 02:56 PM   #16
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Or do it like I did,

82 in a 55

Go to court dressed nice, but not in a suit. Be VERY POLITE and plead guilty. The judge completely dismissed my case which means I didn't use my once every three years get off free that we have here in RI. Almost every state will defer your sentance or something.

Still a bit confused about the turn left at a red light though...

Good Luck!

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Old 07-17-2003, 02:57 PM   #17
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sorry didn't mean to confuse anyone
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Old 07-17-2003, 03:49 PM   #18
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...I wait for the light to turn red and take a left ...

He states I was going 54 in a 35 ...
OK, did you really turn left when the light was red? If so then that's not good.


Did he show you or at least offer to show you the radar gun?

Be sure and prsue the issue of radar gun calibration and check to see it your state requires law enforement to have an FCC license to operate the gun. IF they don't have those documents in court then they cannot hold the case against you.
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Old 07-17-2003, 07:36 PM   #19
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Ask around for attorney specializing in this stuff (I found mine through the local bagel shop - the most popular place in town). More importantly, most States (I know NJ does) have a no-points statute. If this is you first offense the local court may gladly plead your offense down to no-points for a higher paying fine - I've done it. Ask the local clerk and ask if you can handle this process yourself. Remember, any insurance surcharge will stay with you for 3 years!!
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Old 07-20-2003, 03:00 AM   #20
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I was ticketed for going supposedly 15km/h over the speedlimit in a playground zone (HUGEASS fine), and I went to a company called "Points" and payed them around $70 (can't remember the exact amount) to fight my ticket in court for me. They won it, and the ticket was wiped clean from my record.

I say definitely fight it

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Old 07-20-2003, 05:14 AM   #21
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Get a lawyer, and have them draft a letter to the DA saying you're preparing a lawsuit against the department for violation of your consitutional right against unreasonable search and seizure unless the charges against you are dropped.

F them. Always fight, pleading guilty should ONLY be an option for a "non-points" citation. And always get a lawyer if you can afford it.

Good luck!
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Old 07-20-2003, 12:21 PM   #22
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Looking in the window with a flashlight isn't unreasonable search & seizure. Don't even try going that route! Cops can pull you over for a ridiculous traffic offense when what they really want to do is see if you're a drug dealer, etc.

Here's some advice.

Click on the link and check out the book. It's pretty good.
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Old 07-20-2003, 03:31 PM   #23
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looking in a car with a flashlight is not unreasonable search, but the post said he "searched the inside of the car" not "looked inside with a flashlight without touching anything".

If your interior was physically searched, you definitely have a case. If they just looked for items in "plain view" by looking in the window, then no, you wouldn't.
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