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Old 07-19-2003, 05:19 AM   #1
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Default tt, remote start and aftermarket alarm ever accomplished?

ok, i think i've done my research and i see alot of threads with suggestions of certain wiring diagrams and what not but has anyone actually ever gotten their turbo timer to work with an aftermarket alarm and remote start???

i'm talking smoothly tho, like hit the button to start the car five minutes before getting there to warm it up, disarm, hop in, drive and upon turning off the car the turbo timer engages and you walk away and arm the alarm with no problem whatsoever. i've seen the relay setups and the nuetral safety hoodpin diagram but i have yet to read about anyone who actually got his alarm to work flawlessly, can it be done?

help me out people, i already installed an apexi tt and am thinking of getting the matrix rs3 or the hornet 554t and want to make sure it isnt all ghetto rigged.

so whats up, what do we know?
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Old 07-19-2003, 08:40 AM   #2
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Default Re: tt, remote start and aftermarket alarm ever accomplished?

if you're concerned about a 'ghetto' install with a dei unit... go with a compustar unit which has a built in tt function and allows remote start in a manual transmission vehicle.

or get a Clifford G4/G5 (not the RS variants) alarm systems, install the turbo timer's Ignition output to the car side of Ignition kill and the turbo timer will work flawlessly with the Clifford G4/G5 alarm. Clifford G4/G5 alarms don't monitor the car sound of the ignition wire.

that being said, the single relay method is a dei fax info for dealers. some users have indicated that this may not work as well as it should.

i've proposed a 2 relay method that works 100% with the dei alarm and only activates when the turbo timer is engaged.

relays are probably the only best method of integrating the turbo timer with an aftermarket alarm system that doesn't have the functionality built in.

the neutral safety hookup is necessary to prevent the vehicle from being remote started while in gear.

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ok, i think i've done my research and i see alot of threads with suggestions of certain wiring diagrams and what not but has anyone actually ever gotten their turbo timer to work with an aftermarket alarm and remote start???

i'm talking smoothly tho, like hit the button to start the car five minutes before getting there to warm it up, disarm, hop in, drive and upon turning off the car the turbo timer engages and you walk away and arm the alarm with no problem whatsoever. i've seen the relay setups and the nuetral safety hoodpin diagram but i have yet to read about anyone who actually got his alarm to work flawlessly, can it be done?

help me out people, i already installed an apexi tt and am thinking of getting the matrix rs3 or the hornet 554t and want to make sure it isnt all ghetto rigged.

so whats up, what do we know?

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Old 07-19-2003, 12:27 PM   #3
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thanks netz, now the only reason i've overlooked the compustar is because i already have a turbo timer installed in the vehicle and since the apexi is automatic i'd rather rely on that than a set one or two minutes from the alarm system.

as for the g4\5 units, do they have remote start, its not vital that i have this function but i think it'd be a convenient feature.

also, i found the one relay setup you posted on the forums but havent found your two relay setup, do you have the schema's for it posted already, could you mail me them?

and regarding the neutral safety hookup, i'm worried about frying the input on the ecu, say i do install the resistors or whatever, is it still possible to fry the ecu? i know the dealer wont cover this under warranty because of the fact that i'm the one that plugged something into it, therefore it isnt the manufactureers fault

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Old 07-19-2003, 06:12 PM   #4
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just do a search on my user name and turbo timer as the search parameters in the security forum. there will be posts etc regarding integrating the turbo timer and an aftermarket alarm system using 2 relays. dei/directed issued a fax back using a single relay instead and it works as well!

clifford has the g4 solaris, avantguard 4, millenia 4 and the intellistart 4 remote start add on module for g4 alarms. they all have remote start features and allow remote start on manuals but requires you to press a button on the remote to allow the alarm to shut the vehicle off for manual transmission vehicle.

the g5 systems doesn't recommend remote starting a manual transmission vehicle and requires you to use the neutral position switch off the ecu to ensure the vehicle won't remote start in gear.

if you're concerned about 'frying' your ecu, you may attach 2 1 amp diodes in series, this will isolate your actual hood pin and the ecu's neutral position wire from each other. instead of using a mechanical hood pin switch use a magnetic switch as well since mechanical hood pins are prone to rusting and cause false alarms etc.

if the ecu was fried b/c of the neutral position switch tap then you would have seen owners reporting it on this forum. i have yet see anyone mentioning this.

also, for the dei remote start systems i recommend hooking up the remote start's neutral safety input wire to the parking brake as well. the remote start and valet take over mode requires the owner to pull up the parking brake b4 the remote start system takes over. this is just an added safety feature and not a replacement for tapping the neutral position switch off the vehicle's transmission.

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thanks netz, now the only reason i've overlooked the compustar is because i already have a turbo timer installed in the vehicle and since the apexi is automatic i'd rather rely on that than a set one or two minutes from the alarm system.

as for the g4\5 units, do they have remote start, its not vital that i have this function but i think it'd be a convenient feature.

also, i found the one relay setup you posted on the forums but havent found your two relay setup, do you have the schema's for it posted already, could you mail me them?

and regarding the neutral safety hookup, i'm worried about frying the input on the ecu, say i do install the resistors or whatever, is it still possible to fry the ecu? i know the dealer wont cover this under warranty because of the fact that i'm the one that plugged something into it, therefore it isnt the manufactureers fault

thanks
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Old 07-20-2003, 11:28 PM   #5
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DEI is upgrading their 2-way alarm/remote starters to have a built in turbo timer. Supposed to be out in September. Not sure if the hornet will have it, but the Clifford, Python and Vipers will.
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Old 07-21-2003, 11:23 AM   #6
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The new units Viper 791XV, Clifford RSX3.5, and Python 861XP
have updated 2 way remotes and the Short Run/Turbo feature
which allows 1, 3, 5, & 10 minute(s) timers.

Also, these units will employ an onboard starter kill whereas
previous DEI alarms utilized an external starter kill system.

Another new feature is the automatic rear defogger output, the
rear defoggers will activate 10 seconds after remote start has
ocurred or you may use one of the aux channels to manually turn
the rear defoggers on!

Once these new units appear, I'm sure the 790xv & RS3 systems
will be discounted!

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DEI is upgrading their 2-way alarm/remote starters to have a built in turbo timer. Supposed to be out in September. Not sure if the hornet will have it, but the Clifford, Python and Vipers will.

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