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Old 07-20-2003, 02:37 PM   #1
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Default Problems with Installed Rockblocker Paint Protection on STI

I have a problem with the Installer AutoMacs in Grand Rapids Michigan not The Rockblocker product. My installer who is not connected in any way with Rockblocker did a horrible job.

I was wondering if any others STI owners bought the Rockblocker paint protection from http://www.rockblocker.com. My kit was professonaly installed by Automac's they had never installed a Rockblocker Kit and it is now comming off the car. All the edges are filled with dirt. The installer AutoMacs in Grand rapids Michigan did it in about 2 hours.. Is anyone having the same problem with a bad install? Does your install look funny and distored when using polorized sunglasses? Like car car had been hit from a bad install? The installer streached the heck out of the material.


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Old 07-20-2003, 04:05 PM   #2
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Lots of info on 3M stuff
http://shadowtinting.com/

Lots of how to apply instructions and FAQ

I have used these guys for 3 cars now, they do the job. My STI is almost fully covered, doors, panels, trunk too. Fantastic stuff.

Go thru the link above and see if you got the same stuff.

Give them a call they will answer your questions even if you don't use them. Great Guys

Ask for NENO or his brother BENO
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Old 07-20-2003, 04:36 PM   #3
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I had the Stongard kit installed at the Stongard headquarters in Bellevue, WA. It is awesome. I have driven about 1000 miles since install, and no problems. It is nearly invisible and it has no relief cuts like the others. I have the entire front air dam and hood done, as well as the A pilars, mirrors, headlights, rocker panels, rear bumper, door edges and door handle cups. I highly reccomend the Stongard stuff, it is just rather pricey!
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Old 07-20-2003, 05:22 PM   #4
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I'm having the dealer install the ArmorTuff 3M clearguard on my STi. It's guaranteed against discoloration or peeling.
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Old 07-20-2003, 06:33 PM   #5
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I have the rockblocker kit on my car and there are no problems at this time. The material is the same stuff as the StonGard. It is just a different pattern. It sounds like an installation issue that you have. I noticed that the like vent on the front lower corner was peeling and some other minor areas but I had Chad (Rockblocker) take care of it. I would get the installer to clean off the dirt and reapply it.

Looking at the reflection up close, you can see some waviness and stuff. I asked other people with StonGard and they said that it is normal.
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Old 07-20-2003, 07:15 PM   #6
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The main problem with mine is that it was installed incorrectly. They streached it to hard and the material will not stay down. I tried to clean it but I beleive it was over streched. I need Chad's help in talking to my installer. I think they need to buy me a new kit. I used AutoMacs in Grand Rapids, MI as the installer. Right now I say stay away from them.
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Old 07-21-2003, 11:06 AM   #7
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The main problem with mine is that it was installed incorrectly. They streached it to hard and the material will not stay down. I tried to clean it but I beleive it was over streched. I need Chad's help in talking to my installer. I think they need to buy me a new kit. I used AutoMacs in Grand Rapids, MI as the installer. Right now I say stay away from them.
As per our conversation in our emails yesterday. You and I both feel the problem lies with the incorrect installation by the shop. This is still correct, right?

The film is exactly the same whether it is from StonGard, RockBlocker or anybody else that uses 3M material for the clear bra.

I will be contacting them today or tomorrow and discussing what issues they may have had. The edges should not just pop up all on their own if the product was properly sealed at the end of the installation. It sounds like they took the product for granted a little bit and didnt take that extra second or two to make sure that they had gotten all the edges down.

I will await the pictures that you are sending me to review before contacting them since you and them have had the opportunity to see what has happened. It doesnt really make any sense that some of the areas stuck done correctly while others did not. If there is somethind wrong with the film then it would have been more widespread. Remember that the film is made in huge bulk lengths and mass produced. Do you really think that just those small areas were defective material when you think about mass production of the film and it was only the edges. Not to mention the overstretched look you say it has. The product only needs to be made taunt not stretched.

We will get your problem resolved.
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Old 07-21-2003, 01:29 PM   #8
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dude, It all boils down to the installer, the edges required extra care. I got mine installed by transparentbra.com, they are expensive but did an AWESOME work in my car. They took care of the edges and for 2 days they told me to run my fingers through the edges to make sure air did not go in and to make the adhesive stick-in really good.
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Old 07-21-2003, 03:09 PM   #9
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I had the Stongard kit installed at the Stongard headquarters in Bellevue, WA. It is awesome. ... I have the entire front air dam and hood done, as well as the A pilars, mirrors, headlights, rocker panels, rear bumper, door edges and door handle cups.
Why didn't you have the whole car covered? You only left out the roof, trunk and center of the doors??
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Old 07-21-2003, 06:13 PM   #10
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you need a new kit? I thoguht one of the benefits of the 3M stuff was that it was also removeable???
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Old 07-21-2003, 06:19 PM   #11
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Yeah, it's removable, but not re-usable.
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Old 07-22-2003, 01:02 AM   #12
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Exclamation Very happy rockblocker.com customer.

I just had mine installed this weekend. After contacting Chad (rockblocker) regarding a local installer I decided to make the pilgrimage to Redmond (WA) to have Chad do the install as there were none locally.

I worked in the graphics production "industry" for many years and am VERY familiar with the cutting plotters and vinyl signage. However, I thought it best to have someone who was familiar with the product do the installation. Needless to say I am very happy. Chad did a fantastic job; he busted the whole front end out in less the two hours. It looks great!

Again, I would echo the comments of others and say that from the sounds of it it is 100% installer error. As Chad mentioned it sounds like they just didn't take the little extra time to clean the car. We drove 360 miles to get to Chad's. The bugs are REALLY bad this time of year. So, before we did the install Chad and I stopped by a DIY car wash. A couple of bucks and a bit of elbow grease later we had the front end de-bugged. (It wasn't like we spent hours detailing out the front of the car.) While Chad was doing the install he used a liberal amount of water/rubbing alcohol to further wash and wet the car and the film before installation. While Chad was busy at work I snapped a few photos. Currently the "gallery" is missing a few shots of the final results, but that should be corrected in the morning.

All the venders use the same 3M film. So, the major difference is the patterns. As you can see from the photos the RockBlocker patter is a perfect fit, again pointing directly to the installers.

A side note: I have been corresponding with Chad for several weeks now. I have found him not only to be very friendly, but a great business man. I am certain that he will do whatever possible to right this situation.

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Old 07-22-2003, 11:34 AM   #13
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Wow, great pics...........that's something I'd never attempt in a million years. I can see why they recommend a professional installation.

It also gives me a better idea of how visible the line is on the hood (more visible than I thought, never having seen one installed in real life).

Still can't decide whether to put one on my Aspen White, or not......it all comes down to trusting my local installer to do a good job......bit of a gamble really.
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Old 07-22-2003, 01:05 PM   #14
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I was not faulting Chad at Rockblocker or the product, Just the installer who is not connected with Rock Blocker in anyway. At this point I would stay away from AutoMacs in Grand Rapids, Mi who did the install. They installed it in 2 hours. Must have just slapped the pieces on. I would buy the Rockblocker but use a better installer in the area. So Chad I am not dissing the Rockblocker kit or you! Just the installer who needs more practice.( just not on my car.)

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Old 07-22-2003, 02:14 PM   #15
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Great. MTMS4, I am glad you found the photos helpful.

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It also gives me a better idea of how visible the line is on the hood (more visible than I thought, never having seen one installed in real life).
It isn't invisible, but almost. As you can see from photo #50 and #51 there is without question a line/edge there. (These were taken to exacerbate the line.) However, photos #55 and #56 have NO discernable line/edge.

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Still can't decide whether to put one on my Aspen White, or not......it all comes down to trusting my local installer to do a good job......bit of a gamble really.
I think without question I will put one on every new car I own. In this neck of the woods all that is used in the winter is rocks. There really is no reprieve from them in this area. Not to mention there are a lot of gravel roads in this area.

If our STi's were not opalescent and metallic I don't think it would be that big of a deal. One might send a $150/year having their hood repainted. But with our paint jobs I don't think we would be so lucky. Not to mention being without my car for a couple of days. <smile>
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Old 07-22-2003, 02:33 PM   #16
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Slvrphish,

You get my vote as contributer of the year. It seems like every one of your posts are very detailed and supported by good pictures. I really appreciate the effort you put forth as I find it all very informative and very helpful. Thanks.

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Old 07-22-2003, 08:40 PM   #17
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Slvrphish,

You get my vote as contributer of the year. It seems like every one of your posts are very detailed and supported by good pictures. I really appreciate the effort you put forth as I find it all very informative and very helpful. Thanks.

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Chris,

Thank you very much. <blush> I am really happy that you found the photographs helpful.

I am sure there is some minimum number of posts for contributer of the year. (: Maybe I will cross-post my other installations from imprezawrxsti.com to boost my numbers.

Again, thank you Chris.

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