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Old 08-11-2003, 10:16 PM   #226
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I have my STi for over a week now, and with 950 miles on BP 93 Gold I've visited forbiden lands of WOT multiple times and no ping at all, of course after oil change at 700 miles. They might have flashed new STi's on third allocation already. BTW this car pulls out of ditches very well, praise the AWD
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Old 08-12-2003, 12:01 PM   #227
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Dealer told me to bring my car in, that they have heard of the problem. They told me the tech would need to drive it and then "run a few tests" it would take about 2-3 hrs. Then about 45 mins later service manager comes back tells me there is no need to drive it, they got the "numbers" they needed and they are completely aware of the problem. They said they would contact me to bring in the car again so that the ECU could be shipped, something about they had to fax some things in to SOA. I will be receiving a loaner for three days.

I am pinging on Sinclair 93 WOT through 4-5 grand.
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Old 08-12-2003, 12:21 PM   #228
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Dealer told me to bring my car in, that they have heard of the problem. They told me the tech would need to drive it and then "run a few tests" it would take about 2-3 hrs. Then about 45 mins later service manager comes back tells me there is no need to drive it, they got the "numbers" they needed and they are completely aware of the problem. They said they would contact me to bring in the car again so that the ECU could be shipped, something about they had to fax some things in to SOA. I will be receiving a loaner for three days.

I am pinging on Sinclair 93 WOT through 4-5 grand.
Ringboy, where are you located?
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Old 08-12-2003, 12:22 PM   #229
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Ringboy. Great response from your dealer to the det issue. Seems like word is getting around on the reflash. I think Subaru is to be commended on the way this was promptly handled, and of course the knowledgeable folks on this board who pressed the issue with Subaru. It would still be nice if the folks who are not on this board were notified of this issue, so they could avail themselves of the reflash
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Old 08-12-2003, 12:33 PM   #230
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Wolverine,

I am located in OKlahoma City, but I purchased the car in Salt Lake City. I have found one other STi owner in the area who purchased his car here. He has no det issues. Hopefully the dealer will contact me soon for the fix.

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Old 08-12-2003, 03:44 PM   #231
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Ringboy. Great response from your dealer to the det issue. Seems like word is getting around on the reflash. I think Subaru is to be commended on the way this was promptly handled, and of course the knowledgeable folks on this board who pressed the issue with Subaru. It would still be nice if the folks who are not on this board were notified of this issue, so they could avail themselves of the reflash
Of course, unless you live in Cali like me, my local dealers are still like "huh? We have never heard of any det problems! You have to leave your car here with us so we can test drive it, and we'll go from there!"
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Old 08-12-2003, 06:44 PM   #232
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We just executed our first same-day reflash turnaround, from dropoff to pickup. The problem was previously logged and filed so this was just the reflash step, but we're pretty happy with it anyway.
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Old 08-12-2003, 06:50 PM   #233
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lol yes.. and the poor owner (while VERY happy about the same day reflash) was just on the phone with me complaining about how slow the legacy is that she's driving...
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Old 08-12-2003, 07:06 PM   #234
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Wolverine---If Porter was made CEO of Subaru North America, this problem would be solved pronto. I think you should lead a drive to recall the "governor" of Subaru of California
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Old 08-12-2003, 08:45 PM   #235
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Wolverine---If Porter was made CEO of Subaru North America, this problem would be solved pronto. I think you should lead a drive to recall the "governor" of Subaru of California
Porter for governor of California!
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Old 08-12-2003, 08:47 PM   #236
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Whew.. and I thought Arnold was a bad idea for them.. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse!
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Old 08-13-2003, 07:43 AM   #237
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Such a baaad idea... lol. California would slide off into the sea right away... right after that plague of locusts.
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Old 08-13-2003, 08:42 AM   #238
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We just executed our first same-day reflash turnaround, from dropoff to pickup. The problem was previously logged and filed so this was just the reflash step, but we're pretty happy with it anyway.
Heh, Porter, an idea: Can I pull the ECU myself and ship it to your dealership for reflash? I'll pay all the shipping/handling and a 6-pack of your choice if you wish It'd be just like I drove to your dealership for service!
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Old 08-13-2003, 05:09 PM   #239
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Default Had my reflash done

It was a pretty painless process. The dealer didn't need to drive the car to test for pinging. 2 day turn around. And now no more pinging for me. Can't tell if power was affected as I had 2 people in the car with me.
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Old 08-13-2003, 05:29 PM   #240
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Local Suby mechanic recently attended a Subaru training class
on the Sti. In a nut shell he mentioned that there was a 30hp
decrease with the reflash and that once the Sti ecu was reflashed with the ping fix, it could never be updated again.

Just info I heard from a very qualified suby mechanic.
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Old 08-13-2003, 05:32 PM   #241
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Well I have some good news.

I have set up a Dyno day for 8/30, in which an STi with the re-flash will be there for some dyno runs!

I will get some comparison runs from a stock STi before the flash also.

Hopefully answers will be on the way shortly!

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Old 08-13-2003, 05:35 PM   #242
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According to that mechanic every STI with a reflash morphs into an EVO........Kinda hard to believe, unless Subaru has detuned this thing to the point it now only needs regular unleaded. Tractor Piss.
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Old 08-13-2003, 06:10 PM   #243
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According to that mechanic every STI with a reflash morphs into an EVO........Kinda hard to believe, unless Subaru has detuned this thing to the point it now only needs regular unleaded. Tractor Piss.
then it will be false advertising. misrepresentation. fraud


i demand to have my STi bought back after 10K miles

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Old 08-13-2003, 06:18 PM   #244
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Local Suby mechanic recently attended a Subaru training class
on the Sti. In a nut shell he mentioned that there was a 30hp
decrease with the reflash and that once the Sti ecu was reflashed with the ping fix, it could never be updated again.

Just info I heard from a very qualified suby mechanic.

The "could never be updated again" part seems like total BS to me... which makes me thinks that the 30 hp is also total BS since the reflash corrects a problem that does not happen at peak HP... nothing against you sube... I just think your mechanic has/gives wrong info. Subaru had to rush the reflsh fix out... I would doubt that the STi mechanic trainning course has already been updated with this info ... they are running on the rumor mill... just like us.
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Old 08-13-2003, 07:30 PM   #245
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Heh, Porter, an idea: Can I pull the ECU myself and ship it to your dealership for reflash? I'll pay all the shipping/handling and a 6-pack of your choice if you wish It'd be just like I drove to your dealership for service!
That's a negative, Ghostrider. The pattern is full.

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Old 08-13-2003, 07:36 PM   #246
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Local Suby mechanic recently attended a Subaru training class
on the Sti. In a nut shell he mentioned that there was a 30hp
decrease with the reflash and that once the Sti ecu was reflashed with the ping fix, it could never be updated again.

Just info I heard from a very qualified suby mechanic.
Did they sacrifice a chicken and do a voodoo dance around it too?

My butt dyno registers the same power as before, and within the week we'll have hopefully have before and after dyno plots from the same car on the same dyno. All three of the customers that we've reflashed have commented that the car seems just as fast as it was before, only smoother in its power delivery. The last customer commented that it seems more "sorted" now, as if it perhaps benefited from some development time.

The "can't be reflashed" thing is total nonsense. What he means is that once flashed, it cannot be flashed back to its original state. Which is true because the system won't allow you to backdate a later version of the ECM software to an earlier version.
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Old 08-13-2003, 07:41 PM   #247
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Did they sacrifice a chicken and do a voodoo dance around it too?

My butt dyno registers the same power as before, and within the week we'll have hopefully have before and after dyno plots from the same car on the same dyno. All three of the customers that we've reflashed have commented that the car seems just as fast as it was before, only smoother in its power delivery. The last customer commented that it seems more "sorted" now, as if it perhaps benefited from some development time.

The "can't be reflashed" thing is total nonsense. What he means is that once flashed, it cannot be flashed back to its original state. Which is true because the system won't allow you to backdate a later version of the ECM software to an earlier version.
I actually trust a butt dyno to a fair degree. I can tell when a passenger is in with me, which might equate to...6-12 hp (supposedly 6 hp/100 lbs). I'd be able to tell in a second on the butt dyno if I were down 30 hp...in a second. Just like I am on warm days vs. cold...where 30 hp is lost and found.
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Old 08-13-2003, 11:44 PM   #248
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Yea....I am not counting the information as a fact. We seem to know more than SOA sometimes.

Dyno runs will show the answer.



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The "could never be updated again" part seems like total BS to me... which makes me thinks that the 30 hp is also total BS since the reflash corrects a problem that does not happen at peak HP... nothing against you sube... I just think your mechanic has/gives wrong info. Subaru had to rush the reflsh fix out... I would doubt that the STi mechanic trainning course has already been updated with this info ... they are running on the rumor mill... just like us.
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Old 08-14-2003, 12:01 AM   #249
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what about California reflash?any info?
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Old 08-14-2003, 07:28 AM   #250
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what about California reflash?any info?
You can reflash your governor on october 7th
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