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Old 06-06-2001, 02:17 PM   #1
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Post Foresters: Where do we fall in Subedom?

This has been a really dead corner of the i-club lately, so I thought it might be a good time to stir up some philosophical discussion among us.


It seems to me that the Forester is sort of the oddball of the current Subaru lineup. While it's largely a parts bin car, mechanically it's more similar to the last-generation Impreza than the Legacy. In fact I've seen press reviews in the UK and Australia that describe it as essentially a jacked-up, squared-off Impreza wagon - more of an Impreza wagon than the 5-door Impreza, even. However it owes its existence to the Legacy Outback and Outback Sport - an attempt by Subaru to lure people who might otherwise buy an SUV into something that looks more SUV-like than either Outback model.


Just looking at the traffic here on i-club it seems we mod our cars far less than Impreza, Legacy and Outback owners (yes, I know there are exceptions - and you know who you are ). Some of the posters here even call us "soccer moms," "tweed jacket wearers" and "SUV wannabes." So let's talk about it: Why did you buy your Forester? What did you shop it against - SUVs? Wagons? Other Subaru models? How do you use your Forester - as a car, a truck, a true SUV? Do you rough-road or off-road your Forester? Autocross or rallycross? Street race (shh!)?


Inquiring minds want to know.


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Old 06-06-2001, 08:00 PM   #2
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I bought my Forester to replace my 97 4Runner. I had driven trucks for ten years. Needed one to pull the race car. Well no more race car so it seemed kind of stupid for me to drive a big 4x4 gas hog. I chose the Forester because it's a tall wagon with AWD. Suits my needs to a tee. Handles like a car & has very good cargo capacity. It's the best for spectating rallys, boy does it go down those dirt roads. As far as mods go I'll probably put a 18mm rear bar on & some gravel friendly tires, but that's it. If I feel the itch to modify I'll spend the money on the Miata.

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Old 06-06-2001, 11:27 PM   #3
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I bought my forester because I basically blew up the engine on my blazer. I needed a car real quick so it had to be something off one of the lots in the area. I was insearch of a subaru from the get go so that helped narrow my choices. It was between the 2.5RS Legacy GT or the Forester S Premium package. I test drove the RS and knew it would be a real fun attention getter but it didn't really enough room espically without the fold down rear seat. There weren't any GT's in the area so that ruled them out so I decided to go with the forester. The forester is sweet off-road and real fun in the snow plus it has pleanty of cargo space. I'd love to mod the hell out of my forester but i don't got the funds. I am saving lots of money though
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Old 06-07-2001, 08:52 AM   #4
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In my case, I was originally shopping for an OB wagon back in 98. I snowboard and mountain bike so I wanted to get an AWD wagon to haul my stuff through poor weather. The OB caught my eye because it did all of the above plus have extra ground clearance/beefy suspension for unpaved roads and potholes.

After going to several dealers and checking out the OB, I wasn't happy with the dated looking interior (the new model was still 2 years away) nor did I care for the non functional hood scoop. A friend of mine suggested I check out the Forester.

When I first saw a photograph of it in a brochure, I thought, "man, what a funky looking vehicle". When I saw one in person, I really liked the distinct boxy shape. The design was fresh and the interior was much cleaner compared to the OB.

Then I took one out on a test drive. I liked the OBs that I had taken out earlier. I loved the "rides on rails" feeling from the AWD and the slightly higher seating position. The Forester gave me all that plus it was quicker and handled a lot more nimbly than the OB. I really liked the outbound visibility. The OB seemed like a dark tunnel in comparison to the view enabled by the huge greenhouse on the Forester.

I didn't shop against other Subaru models. The GT wagon was hard to come by and I knew I wanted more power than the L wagon. I did check out the CR-V and RAV4 but they seriously lacked the performance of the Forester.

So, how do I use my Forester? Well, like most of us, it's my daily commuter. It's also my primary vehicle for doing fun stuff -- going mountain biking, skiing or just vacationing in the Sierras. I have had the chance to take it on several light off-road drives that I wouldn't have attempted with a standard passenger vehicle. One of my favorite uses for the Forester is driving through twisties and probably explains my modifications of an 18mm rear sway and short-throw shifter.

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Old 06-07-2001, 09:12 AM   #5
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I used to think "what the &^%$# would anyone want with a SUBARU?" Like many other people my idea of the company was the Brat, (weird and funky) Then as I became older and since I work in the Bike industry and and lead a somewhat active lifestyle ie. mountainbiking,camping,backpacking,skiing and snowboarding, I decided to look for the ever popular SUV. I was really close to buying a Blazer with everything one evening, but stopped just short of signing the papers. Went to the bookstore one day and read about this thing called the "Forester" hmm consumer reports best buy and value etc etc. I gotta check this thing out! best power and handling hands down! That was in '98 and I've wanted one ever since. Well as fate might have it, last Dec. someone ran a red light and totalled my Civic and thus I became a Forester owner.
My Forester is my daily driver and will serve as my ski/biking/camping vehicle as well as a platform for a few mods. (so far have done 20mm rear swaybar, Rallispec Exhaust, Custom stereo and STi pedals) with Raceline 7's on the way soon. Some of these parts will indeed make it over to either a 2.5 someday or a used WRX when the time comes. FATSUBIES OF THE WORLD UNITE!
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Old 06-07-2001, 01:09 PM   #6
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As one of the "heavily modded" Foresters, I guess I'll post my tale of Forester Ownership...

It started when we were shopping for a car for my wife. She wanted a Miata, I wanted her to get an OBS. We looked at them ,she didn't like them. "What about the Forester?" I said. "Maybe for you" was her reply, still set on the Miata.

About three weeks later, my 95 Civic EX was totaled (long story) and I needed a car. Bought the '99 Forester L the same day the Civic was payed off. Wanted something bigger than the Civic, with enough room for my 90lb. Pit Bull to ride around in. Drove it stock for about a year, and then we bought my wife a '00 RS Sedan. We both loved the car and fought over who got to drive it. Since my Forester is white and she hates white cars, she refused to trade. So, since trading it in was a no-win situation, I decided to look for mods. I quickly found out about the STi S/tb models in Japan, saw the lowerd Forester on iSR's web site, and when I saw the Corazon and ZERO/Sports body kits, I was hooked.

The mods started with rims/tires back in November of '00. The income tax return check this year bought the rest of the goodies.

That's the end. To check out my mods, go to my web site.
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Old 06-07-2001, 01:36 PM   #7
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My virgin i-club post!

I've got a bone stock 2001 Forester S as my MSV (Miata Support Vehicle). My wife loves boxy vehicles and was dead set on the Land Rover Discovery II, but we could not work out a deal and then we ran out of time. We needed an AWD car for a winter trip and the local Subaru dealership had a Blue Ridge Metallic Forester S on the lot with grey leather and an automatic. My wife grudgingly accepted (when we paid $39 UNDER invoice due to a clerical error). She still mumbles about her "Disco" but our Scoobie has impressed both of us.

We hadn't even considered a Forester until we saw one on a Subaru lot while looking at the OB (she didn't like the OB). I pointed to the Forester and said, "How about that?" I figured she'd dismiss it out of hand, but she replied, "Its cute." After a test drive we were thoroughly impressed! Before we bought it, we drove the Land Rover, Honda CRV, Volvo S80, BMW 328i, Mazda Tribute, Toyota 4runner, Mitsubishi Montero, and Mercedes M-class. Kind of an eclectic collection, but we ended up with the Subaru because its "cute", boxy, came with leather, was affordable, and gets good gas mileage.

The best part is that my Miata doesn't have to go out in the wet...
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Old 06-08-2001, 12:38 AM   #8
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Well, since I originated the topic I guess I should offer my story .

I consult to the pharmaceutical and medical device industry, doing a lot of regulatory compliance auditing and, increasingly, regulatory training. I needed something that could haul a reasonable amount of training materials, diagnostic tools and computer equipment. Since I do most of my work in the Northeast, I needed something with good foul-weather handling and performance characteristics. A back seat for occassional client hauling would be helpful, too. I originally thought 4WD mini pickup but quickly talked myself out of the Nissan Frontier Crew Cab and Xterra. I then focused on the AWD wagon market which at the time narrowed me down to Audi, Volvo and Subaru. There were no VW 4Motions at the time, and even if there were my past experience with the long-term costs of VW ownership turned me off of VW and Audi. Volvo was similarly too expensive so that narrowed it down further to Subaru. I drove the Legacy Outback, Legacy GT and Forester (all 2000 models) and found the Outback and GT underpowered (this was before the H6 intro). The Forester had the best power/weight ratio and sportiest handling of the three. Better still, as it's Impreza-based it can benefit from many of the performance mods available to Impreza owners (hence the reason I began hanging out at i-club).

I use it for the business reasons I already mentioned but for so many more, too. I'm a recreaional flatwater/sea kayaker so I haul my boat (Perception Carolina) on top. I'm restoring a '63 Studebaker Lark (hence my screen name) and the Forester makes a great parts hauler - I've carried most of a Stude OHV inline six (except for th block) in the back. It's also great for all the little honeydos that the missus has around the home. I've hauled several hundred pounds of bluestone from the quarry to build a patio, as well as most of the things you typically buy from a home improvement store or nursery. The better half has also enlisted the Forester to haul antique furniture back from auctions and estate sales.

But unladen, the Forester's been a great car to fling around - even with it's tall boxy shape it's a great handler on the gravelly, potholey backroads of northeastern PA. Adding an 18mm rear bar has improved that, and intake and exhaust mods should add that little more oomph that'll help in onramp/offramp, emergency maneuvers, passing etc. One of these days I want to learn to get even more out of it - maybe take a professional driving course or try it on an autocross.

Anyway, that's my story. Thanks for listening.

Ed

Edit: I guess I need to change my profile from occupation: "can't say or they'll kill me" since I've told you a bit about it now
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Old 06-08-2001, 01:41 PM   #9
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Reason for buying: It's a Subaru with AWD
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Old 06-15-2001, 01:59 AM   #10
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Interesting thread...thanks for starting it...

I had been a jeep driver (also as my MSV or Miata Support Vehicle) for the past 10 years or so (cherokees and wranglers, depending on how "sporty" I felt when it was time to trade!)... the Forester came as a result of a couple of events.. my local Jeep dealership was sold, the new owner drove away my salesman, my service guy, and everyone else I knew there...no reason to be loyal to the local dealership anymore... then I bought a nifty canoe, and for two weeks tried to find an acceptable way to carry it on the fiberglass top of my 2 year old Wrangler Sahara... oops...nobody makes a decent rack for the fiberglass top... I hate the foam pads that sit on the roof, thought about building some type of extension from the trailer hitch that would mount the canoe over the top of the jeep... wasn't comfortable with the various solutions... then, on a whim, I thought, let's just trade the thing in... and, looked at the outback... drove it...looked at a bunch of other small AWD/FWD vehicles... settled on the subie because I liked the quality compared to the others... at the last minute drove a forester, then an OB again..and felt that the forester handled better than the OB...and, although the salesman swore there was more space in the OB, the Forester looked like the space was more useable..... worked a deal that looked nice (lowered my payments, always a happy thing)...

Been happy with it since, the canoe works great on the Yakima bar rack !

Ironically my wife liked it so much she traded her Sebring Convertable two months later for an RS 2.5 with a moonroof, leather, sound system, etc.... pretty sporty for a 51 year old kindergarten teacher!......

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Old 06-15-2001, 06:40 AM   #11
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My wife & I bought our 2000 Forester L as we needed a larger car to replace our '97 Golf K2. We have a baby and a big black Labrador - and both of the "critters" didn't fit into the back seat comfortably in the Golf. We don't like SUVs and wanted a wagon, unfortunately there weren't a ton of nice wagons available at the time (like the Jetta wagon).

Originally we wanted a Passat wagon - we've always had at least one VW in our "fleet" since we first met. However, the Passat wagons were pretty rare at the time, and no one had a basic model (all we wanted was an auto tranny on the base model, wife's car, she doesn't like stick). We didn't want to spend $25k on a car.

I had a connection at Toyota so we looked at the RAV4. Yuck - athletic shoe styling and tinny feeling. Neither of us liked it.

We felt that the CRV was too tall and underpowereed.

OBs were ruled out as we live in Boulder, OB heaven. Once we drove the Forester, we knew that was the car for us. We found a dealer demo w/ 5500 miles on it - and got the sweet financing deal that Subaru offered when the '01s came out. Unfortunately, it's my least favorite Forester - green. I would've prefered silver - or any other color with the grey interior.

We love the car and added a better stereo & speakers + a Yakima rack system & use a Yakima Rocket box when we travel / camp.

The Forester is mainly her car & the family car. Our toddler's car seat has never even been in my '91 Saab 900s.

I'd love to get a WRX to replace the 900 - if that car ever dies (unlikely).

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Old 12-13-2006, 02:40 AM   #12
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I personally bought the Forester because a.) I loved the philosophy and reliablity of Subaru in general and b.) it was the most SUV like vehicle that they produced (I liked the looks and "feel" of the Forester just slightly more than the Outback.)
It has been a fantastic vehicle and investment for me, and given the choice, I'd do it again in a heartbeat!
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Old 12-13-2006, 07:28 AM   #13
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hello 5 year old thread
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Old 12-13-2006, 11:59 PM   #14
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:05 AM   #15
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hello 5 year old thread
LOL, I didn't notice the date of the older threads until getting to yours. I was just skimming the others, because most were long, but I thought the first fit this forum today. The forester forum is usually pretty quiet.
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Old 12-14-2006, 03:48 AM   #16
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i-club in the first line would give this away to anyone who has been here awhile...

Wandered in here 'cuz I'm adding a Fo'wagon to the stable on Friday. (And keeping the beast as well.)

Good thread resurrection!

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Old 12-14-2006, 04:28 AM   #17
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I just bought my Forester XT 3 days ago! I am sort of tired of driving my Integra everyday beucase i basically stripped everything so it is not really a daily driver anymore. I was looking to buy a used Lexus GS300 but the stupid sales at Lexus was so hard on the price so I decided to look for alternative. Since my friend works at a Subaru dealer so I went to the dealer to see what kind of 2nd hand selection they got. I had no luck with the 2nd hand selection so I started to look for new car. I was going to try the Legacy GT first because I wanted to buy a car that has about the same speed as my integra but I realized that Legacy is kind of small and pricy. So I asked my friend what is his favorite Subaru car and he told me to try out the forester XT. I drove it for 5 minutes and I decided to buy it. Then I went to check out the Subaru Japan website for the Forester STi, and I know that what I want my Forester to look like. Therefore, the STi roof spoiler, STi front tower bar is now on its way. My forester is automatic, I was wondering if the A/T STi pedal (think is the Impreza one) would fit on the Forester?
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Old 12-14-2006, 10:27 AM   #18
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My forester is automatic, I was wondering if the A/T STi pedal (think is the Impreza one) would fit on the Forester?
yep - I gots them on mine...
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:48 PM   #19
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Tyler must be reading every thread here.

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Old 12-15-2006, 09:36 AM   #20
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Holy five-and-a-half-year-old thread bump! I know I haven't posted in this forum in ages, but still...

Much has changed in my life but I still own a Forester, but not the one I described in the original post. I traded it in July 2004 for an '05 non-premium XT, which I still have.

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Old 12-16-2006, 11:11 PM   #21
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Ah, not a bad post to resurrect though.

Forester = civility + functionality in one of the best packages available. It's pretty much the perfect mixture of features that makes it usable for just about everything. You get a very functional interior, good awd, and some of the most powerful 4-bangers on the market. Besides, the aftermarket sector for our Forester is everything that the Imprezas have, so STI level is some $$$ and a direct swap. You can slam the thing to the ground with some low profile tires or jack it up with some big mud boggers and doesn't look half bad either way. Reguardless of what you do, you can still hop in the car with your family, luggage, and a boat hooked up back and head out to the lake.
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Old 12-17-2006, 12:31 PM   #22
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rocking the XT for a few reasons-insurance is cheaper than a WRX,up until the 2.5 lt wrx's it was faster than a wrx,its a awesome platform to mod ie-2.5lt and 4.44 gearing for a ton of torque and i never did feel it was neccesary to add to the ever growing number of wrx owners out there..wanted to be different but still keep up with the crowd!
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Old 12-17-2006, 05:55 PM   #23
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I still have teh 02 Forester but I got myself a 05 Legacy GT that I barely drive.
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I bought MY04 FXT b/c i needed more room (comeing from MY04 WRX) and i prefer the looks of the FXT over the WRX, The FXT is a total Sleeper, the police dont even think about pulling you over for anything. Also the FXT is WAY faster stock then my Stage 1 WRX was. and the 4.44 gearing is the key to the monster within. i love MY04 FXT and am glad i traded in MY04 WRX for it. and i dont plan to ever look back.
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I got my Forester when I was in the market for a vehicle with a bit of room that had decent MPG. It was actually my wife that turned me on to the Forester after reading about it in Consumer Reports. I started looking into them and quickly decided it was the vehicle for me. Wasn't able to get it for two years, but now I've had it almost that long and love it. Too bad it's not an XT though.
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