pricing on unichip and TEC-II...

DeliciouSpeed · 05-20-2001, 01:51 PM

TechII(stand alone) for turbo $2500 with all the add on goodies,full control,datalogging

UniChip(piggy back) aprox $600ish, fuel/timing control can control boost with an add on, can change the rev limiter with an add on,cannot change idle,no datalogging

Link(stand alone) $1330, plus $330 for the programmer. Full control/datalogging

Ken

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cdigerlando · 05-20-2001, 05:36 PM

OK. Anyone try the Link yet. It seems the most simple and most versitile set up so far. Just haven't hear of it being used yet.

Imprezer · 05-20-2001, 06:17 PM

It is not the most versitile system.

SilverSubie · 05-20-2001, 06:26 PM

i already have an avc-r installed and i love it...i have an s-afc but i don't like it and it really dosn't work well. i took it out. i was thinking about the unichip pretty hard but that link seems beter. is it worth the extra cost of the link over the unichip.and will the avc-r work with the link system.

-grant

cdigerlando · 05-20-2001, 07:12 PM

What is less versitile about the link? And is it significant to our application.

cOz · 05-20-2001, 07:20 PM

Anyone have any experience with this company's product???
www.fjoinc.com

Thanx

PERRIN · 05-20-2001, 10:53 PM

Forget all the other CPU's they are talking about and buy a Haltech E6K. they are the best, affordable, best supported, easy to install. i got a killer map if you need one. they have easy to use software.
$1200 can't go wrong.

TwinTurbo · 05-20-2001, 11:06 PM

Does the Haltech have a stock harness adapter?
Or do you have to use a Haltech Harness.
Is the Haltech a batch fire or sequential?
Does this Haltech come with a wide band O2??

SilverSubie · 05-21-2001, 12:25 AM

what are prices for like the unichip ecu and the TEC-II, and like products. and where can you buy them?i tried to search but, didn't find any solid stuff.

-grant

gossamer_monster · 05-21-2001, 12:43 AM

For the Unichip call Turboxs. They are a US distributor.

http://www.turboxs.com

Toll free-877.887.2680

For the TEC-II talk to:

http://www.vishnuperformance.com/

Shiv from Sport Compact Car, is the man with TEC-II

Bill

Julio · 05-21-2001, 06:58 PM

TwinTurbo:

Haltech, uses it's own harness and recommends their own 3 bar MAP sensor on some applications. I would use the F9A instead. You may find it in some places as low as $800 but normal price is $1200. I have worked with Haltech and Tech IIs. For me..honestly they differ. If you're serious about your setup, fine tunning, etc. go for the Haltech. Though keep in mind...you should know what you're doing. Otherwise...get a reputable tuner. You will find Haltech in many Pro drag racing cars.

Where I live. Many Hondas & Acuras are running low-mid 13s with just underdrive pulley, header, exhaust, intake, and a Haltech.

SilverSubie · 05-21-2001, 07:10 PM

i'm really considering the link...anybody want to argue or applaude my decision. so i'm really asking for input. I want an aftermarket ECU that directly plugs into the stock plugs, thats one thing that narrowed it down.

-grant

PERRIN · 05-21-2001, 09:02 PM

GO haltech. the plug thing is something i am getting around. i have on order a 2002 WRX ecu plug to make an adapter to use the haltech as if it were a plug and play, but that might be a month before i have time to make. i almost bought a link, but they are really cheesy. they only have like 8 rpm load bars and 12 pressure bars(i think). haltech uses 30 load bars and 16 rpms. the injector ms can be any number, where i think the link is limited. you get 8 different functions you can set up(like shift light, aux rpm, ANTI LAG, VTEC, and tons more.

PERRIN · 05-21-2001, 09:03 PM

Yes it can do sequential and batch.

TwinTurbo · 05-21-2001, 09:14 PM

wide band O2?

DaveK · 05-21-2001, 09:20 PM

anybody got a website for haltec?
Thanks!

PERRIN · 05-21-2001, 09:20 PM

as in 5volt? it can use any type of o2 sensor especially a 5volt wideband. it can even use a exaust map sensor???? why, because it can! Forgot it can datalog also.

TwinTurbo · 05-21-2001, 09:33 PM

Sorta Sounds like my Felpro Sequential box with Wide Band O2 on my 1300hp race car.

SilverSubie · 05-21-2001, 09:53 PM

where can i read and see about this so wonderful Haltec...

-grant

Digital_Boy · 05-22-2001, 12:45 AM

Well, if you want to get REALLY serious, there's always Motec.

I've got an M48 Pro that's being used right now to finalize the harness for my Sube.

Then again, an M4 is more than sufficient for 99.99% of your needs.

It all depends on your own and your chosen tuner's (that being you if you're DIY'ing) preference in ECU's.

Imprezd · 05-22-2001, 04:39 AM

I want to see Dyno charts for the TechII i would hope to see at least 30 horsepower difference. Imprezer when you going to put it on and dyno?

AlexM_UK · 05-22-2001, 07:23 AM

Hi,

The Possumlink is a very cost effective drop-in ECU for old WRX/STis and probably the new WRX too.

As it is a direct replacement you minimise the hassle of changing crank sensors etc..

I thought that the MY2002 link was still under development though... is this being marketed in the US? I thought that the loom connections were different for MY2002 cars, or are you using the wire-in models or Link Plus?.

The link requires a few 'tricks' to get the best out of it, and isn't as feature rich as the MoTec or Haltech ECUS, but it is very easy to install and will give performance comparible with the best with the right map.

I run one on my MY98 with Std TD04 @ 1.15bar and am very happy with the way it performs.

Cheers,

Alex

DeliciouSpeed · 05-22-2001, 10:21 AM

I will have the link in my hands this week or next. I will make sure to take plenty of pics of my non-versitile system(sacasm Alex!)for you guys. I will map on road using a knock link, Lambda link, and EGT guage first. Then I'm going to put it on a dyno to see how my maps perform, then I am going to re-map any areas that may be lacking.

And I don't see how the system can be insulted. It's done very well by the likes of MRT and other users around the world.
heavily used by Miata folks, don't here them complaining. Jan Shim care to chime in...
It replaces the stock board(no cutting), is fully mappable an unlimited amount of times, data logs, can control boost, idle correction, It even has a self tune mode. What ever you need it does. Maybe Alex met that its lacking in the $1000 more dollars the Tech costs over the link? Alex care to elaborate? First hand experience or know any folks who have?

Ken

Imprezd · 05-22-2001, 03:34 PM

Where's Imprezer... i need to know what he thinks... I am curious about how his mind works...

Oh yeah Congrats... On finishign school...

Imprezer · 05-22-2001, 04:00 PM

What I think? Haha. I think you really don't know what you are talking about.

jk A TEC II system can be installed on a car in a mere 2-3 hours. No need for Idle Control Module or A/C or Speedo or anything. All those "accessories" work fine with your stock ECU. And, all your emission systems will also work fine with a Parallel Engine Management System based on TEC II that Vishnuperformance offers.

A Link system will never offer what TEC II offers. It offers the bare minimum. No high resolution timing pick up, no high powered coils, etc. Also, with TEC II system, one can convert his car "back-to-stock" in 15 min. Connect your MAS, connect your stock plug wires and injector plugs and you are set to go. I and many others explained it gazillion times but no one listens. I know what you all going to say. "Group N rally Impreza's use it, it must be good..." See, for Group N, you can use a standalone engine management system only if it fits the stock ECU box. Thats what Link does well, hehe. IT FITS! You simply cannot have a powerfull enough computer to "manage" your car's performance that small. Plus, it uses stock not-so-good timing pick up and poopy coils. Oh a high powered car (you have one right, why else would you want a standalone ECU) timing pickup is critical. Thats something you need to take very seriously. Aaaa, I cannot do it anymore.

Plus, there are ~100 Imprezas with TEC II running all over North America. Why would you want to be testing stuff on your car that no one knows for sure how it works? Plus, Shiv is always available to help you tune it.

Dyno resluts? I never managed to Dyno my RS when I was NA. But, there are bunch of dyno results from various turboed RS's on www.vishnuperformance.com message board. Go see for yourself.

Finally, people will say that TEC II Turbo kit is expensive. Yes it is. So what would I do if I couldn't afford it? What I would do is I wouldn't buy Link.

My TEC II is going into my WRX this week. I will know more of how well it works, although I don't doubt that it will work like a charm.

Afterall, I would be happier if no one buys TEC II's for their WRX's. Why? Becuase my WRX will no doubtably be the fastest AND the safest one.

05-21-2001, 12:25 AM	#9
SilverSubie Scooby Newbie Member#: 4375 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Napa, CA Vehicle: 2002 WRX PSM	pricing on unichip and TEC-II... what are prices for like the unichip ecu and the TEC-II, and like products. and where can you buy them?i tried to search but, didn't find any solid stuff. -grant

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05-20-2001, 01:51 PM	#1
DeliciouSpeed Scooby Specialist Member#: 3389 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: ContraCosta, Ca Vehicle: 07 STImpreza Satin	TechII(stand alone) for turbo $2500 with all the add on goodies,full control,datalogging UniChip(piggy back) aprox $600ish, fuel/timing control can control boost with an add on, can change the rev limiter with an add on,cannot change idle,no datalogging Link(stand alone) $1330, plus $330 for the programmer. Full control/datalogging Ken * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

05-20-2001, 05:36 PM	#2
cdigerlando Scooby Specialist Member#: 6070 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Longwood, FL Vehicle: 9202 SVX, WRX 92 Sil/Blk, 02 Sil	OK. Anyone try the Link yet. It seems the most simple and most versitile set up so far. Just haven't hear of it being used yet.

05-20-2001, 06:17 PM	#3
Imprezer Dynamic Uno Member#: 1 Join Date: Jun 1999 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: Alameda, CA Vehicle: 2011 Impreza WRX STi Black	It is not the most versitile system.

05-20-2001, 06:26 PM	#4
SilverSubie Scooby Newbie Member#: 4375 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Napa, CA Vehicle: 2002 WRX PSM	i already have an avc-r installed and i love it...i have an s-afc but i don't like it and it really dosn't work well. i took it out. i was thinking about the unichip pretty hard but that link seems beter. is it worth the extra cost of the link over the unichip.and will the avc-r work with the link system. -grant

05-20-2001, 07:12 PM	#5
cdigerlando Scooby Specialist Member#: 6070 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Longwood, FL Vehicle: 9202 SVX, WRX 92 Sil/Blk, 02 Sil	What is less versitile about the link? And is it significant to our application.

05-20-2001, 07:20 PM	#6
cOz Scooby Newbie Member#: 576 Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Houston, TX, USA Vehicle: 1995 Volvo 850 Turbo Dark Green	Anyone have any experience with this company's product??? www.fjoinc.com Thanx

05-20-2001, 10:53 PM	#7
PERRIN NASIOC Manufacturer Member#: 6776 Join Date: May 2001 Chapter/Region: NWIC	Forget all the other CPU's they are talking about and buy a Haltech E6K. they are the best, affordable, best supported, easy to install. i got a killer map if you need one. they have easy to use software. $1200 can't go wrong.

05-20-2001, 11:06 PM	#8
TwinTurbo Scooby Newbie Member#: 6177 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bay Area, California Vehicle: 2002 WRX White	Does the Haltech have a stock harness adapter? Or do you have to use a Haltech Harness. Is the Haltech a batch fire or sequential? Does this Haltech come with a wide band O2??

05-21-2001, 12:43 AM	#10
gossamer_monster Scooby Specialist Member#: 3574 Join Date: Jan 2001 Chapter/Region: NESIC Vehicle: 2002 WRX Blase' Yellow----R.I.P.	For the Unichip call Turboxs. They are a US distributor. http://www.turboxs.com Toll free-877.887.2680 For the TEC-II talk to: http://www.vishnuperformance.com/ Shiv from Sport Compact Car, is the man with TEC-II Bill

05-21-2001, 06:58 PM	#11
Julio Scooby Specialist Member#: 6363 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Gossip Island Vehicle: 10 Sec. Club Element - Crawford	TwinTurbo: Haltech, uses it's own harness and recommends their own 3 bar MAP sensor on some applications. I would use the F9A instead. You may find it in some places as low as $800 but normal price is $1200. I have worked with Haltech and Tech IIs. For me..honestly they differ. If you're serious about your setup, fine tunning, etc. go for the Haltech. Though keep in mind...you should know what you're doing. Otherwise...get a reputable tuner. You will find Haltech in many Pro drag racing cars. Where I live. Many Hondas & Acuras are running low-mid 13s with just underdrive pulley, header, exhaust, intake, and a Haltech.

05-21-2001, 07:10 PM	#12
SilverSubie Scooby Newbie Member#: 4375 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Napa, CA Vehicle: 2002 WRX PSM	i'm really considering the link...anybody want to argue or applaude my decision. so i'm really asking for input. I want an aftermarket ECU that directly plugs into the stock plugs, thats one thing that narrowed it down. -grant

05-21-2001, 09:02 PM	#13
PERRIN NASIOC Manufacturer Member#: 6776 Join Date: May 2001 Chapter/Region: NWIC	GO haltech. the plug thing is something i am getting around. i have on order a 2002 WRX ecu plug to make an adapter to use the haltech as if it were a plug and play, but that might be a month before i have time to make. i almost bought a link, but they are really cheesy. they only have like 8 rpm load bars and 12 pressure bars(i think). haltech uses 30 load bars and 16 rpms. the injector ms can be any number, where i think the link is limited. you get 8 different functions you can set up(like shift light, aux rpm, ANTI LAG, VTEC, and tons more.

05-21-2001, 09:03 PM	#14
PERRIN NASIOC Manufacturer Member#: 6776 Join Date: May 2001 Chapter/Region: NWIC	Yes it can do sequential and batch.

05-21-2001, 09:14 PM	#15
TwinTurbo Scooby Newbie Member#: 6177 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bay Area, California Vehicle: 2002 WRX White	wide band O2?

05-21-2001, 09:20 PM	#16
DaveK Scooby Newbie Member#: 2338 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Colorado Vehicle: 1988 323 GTX black	anybody got a website for haltec? Thanks!

05-21-2001, 09:33 PM	#18
TwinTurbo Scooby Newbie Member#: 6177 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bay Area, California Vehicle: 2002 WRX White	Sorta Sounds like my Felpro Sequential box with Wide Band O2 on my 1300hp race car.

05-21-2001, 09:53 PM	#19
SilverSubie Scooby Newbie Member#: 4375 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Napa, CA Vehicle: 2002 WRX PSM	where can i read and see about this so wonderful Haltec... -grant

05-22-2001, 12:45 AM	#20
Digital_Boy Scooby Specialist Member#: 730 Join Date: Jan 2000	Well, if you want to get REALLY serious, there's always Motec. I've got an M48 Pro that's being used right now to finalize the harness for my Sube. Then again, an M4 is more than sufficient for 99.99% of your needs. It all depends on your own and your chosen tuner's (that being you if you're DIY'ing) preference in ECU's.

05-22-2001, 04:39 AM	#21
Imprezd Scooby Specialist Member#: 3357 Join Date: Dec 2000 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Gburg, Maryland (East Coast) Vehicle: 2002 WRX Black	I want to see Dyno charts for the TechII i would hope to see at least 30 horsepower difference. Imprezer when you going to put it on and dyno?

05-22-2001, 07:23 AM	#22
AlexM_UK Scooby Newbie Member#: 6825 Join Date: May 2001 Location: London Vehicle: 1999 Impreza Turbo Silver	Hi, The Possumlink is a very cost effective drop-in ECU for old WRX/STis and probably the new WRX too. As it is a direct replacement you minimise the hassle of changing crank sensors etc.. I thought that the MY2002 link was still under development though... is this being marketed in the US? I thought that the loom connections were different for MY2002 cars, or are you using the wire-in models or Link Plus?. The link requires a few 'tricks' to get the best out of it, and isn't as feature rich as the MoTec or Haltech ECUS, but it is very easy to install and will give performance comparible with the best with the right map. I run one on my MY98 with Std TD04 @ 1.15bar and am very happy with the way it performs. Cheers, Alex

05-22-2001, 10:21 AM	#23
DeliciouSpeed Scooby Specialist Member#: 3389 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: ContraCosta, Ca Vehicle: 07 STImpreza Satin	I will have the link in my hands this week or next. I will make sure to take plenty of pics of my non-versitile system(sacasm Alex!)for you guys. I will map on road using a knock link, Lambda link, and EGT guage first. Then I'm going to put it on a dyno to see how my maps perform, then I am going to re-map any areas that may be lacking. And I don't see how the system can be insulted. It's done very well by the likes of MRT and other users around the world. heavily used by Miata folks, don't here them complaining. Jan Shim care to chime in... It replaces the stock board(no cutting), is fully mappable an unlimited amount of times, data logs, can control boost, idle correction, It even has a self tune mode. What ever you need it does. Maybe Alex met that its lacking in the $1000 more dollars the Tech costs over the link? Alex care to elaborate? First hand experience or know any folks who have? Ken

05-22-2001, 03:34 PM	#24
Imprezd Scooby Specialist Member#: 3357 Join Date: Dec 2000 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Gburg, Maryland (East Coast) Vehicle: 2002 WRX Black	Where's Imprezer... i need to know what he thinks... I am curious about how his mind works... Oh yeah Congrats... On finishign school...

05-22-2001, 04:00 PM	#25
Imprezer Dynamic Uno Member#: 1 Join Date: Jun 1999 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: Alameda, CA Vehicle: 2011 Impreza WRX STi Black	What I think? Haha. I think you really don't know what you are talking about. jk A TEC II system can be installed on a car in a mere 2-3 hours. No need for Idle Control Module or A/C or Speedo or anything. All those "accessories" work fine with your stock ECU. And, all your emission systems will also work fine with a Parallel Engine Management System based on TEC II that Vishnuperformance offers. A Link system will never offer what TEC II offers. It offers the bare minimum. No high resolution timing pick up, no high powered coils, etc. Also, with TEC II system, one can convert his car "back-to-stock" in 15 min. Connect your MAS, connect your stock plug wires and injector plugs and you are set to go. I and many others explained it gazillion times but no one listens. I know what you all going to say. "Group N rally Impreza's use it, it must be good..." See, for Group N, you can use a standalone engine management system only if it fits the stock ECU box. Thats what Link does well, hehe. IT FITS! You simply cannot have a powerfull enough computer to "manage" your car's performance that small. Plus, it uses stock not-so-good timing pick up and poopy coils. Oh a high powered car (you have one right, why else would you want a standalone ECU) timing pickup is critical. Thats something you need to take very seriously. Aaaa, I cannot do it anymore. Plus, there are ~100 Imprezas with TEC II running all over North America. Why would you want to be testing stuff on your car that no one knows for sure how it works? Plus, Shiv is always available to help you tune it. Dyno resluts? I never managed to Dyno my RS when I was NA. But, there are bunch of dyno results from various turboed RS's on www.vishnuperformance.com message board. Go see for yourself. Finally, people will say that TEC II Turbo kit is expensive. Yes it is. So what would I do if I couldn't afford it? What I would do is I wouldn't buy Link. My TEC II is going into my WRX this week. I will know more of how well it works, although I don't doubt that it will work like a charm. Afterall, I would be happier if no one buys TEC II's for their WRX's. Why? Becuase my WRX will no doubtably be the fastest AND the safest one.