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Old 07-28-2003, 10:53 PM   #1
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I am new to this although my friend Mike K. has been a member for a while. i was just wondering if the STI was everything people are saying it is. I live in DE and all of the dealers will not let u test drive them.....and i don't blame them because it is such a beautiful car and all......but i was just wondering if anyone could please tell me more about the STI and how much they like it wether it be handling, speed, or how much people come up and ask you about it, and also if it is easy to upgrade the engine. Please give me all feedback.



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Old 07-29-2003, 12:22 AM   #2
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the sti is just hype. get the lancer evolution. it's better. i've driven both.
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Old 07-29-2003, 12:40 AM   #3
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Honestly both cars are great, make the choice for yourself.



I also have driven both, I prefered the STi, interior is much better.

Sti all the way
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Old 07-29-2003, 02:45 AM   #4
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Right now it depends on whether you can get 93 octane where you live, according to some... All you'll get here is biased opinions and remarks from trolls.
IT lives up to *my* expectations and answers *my* demands.
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Old 07-29-2003, 06:30 AM   #5
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the sti is just hype. get the lancer evolution. it's better. i've driven both.
How'd you get to drive the Lan EVO?
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Old 07-29-2003, 06:45 AM   #6
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I prefered the STi, interior is much better.
Except for the seats. And the roominess. Oh, and it lacks a CD player.
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Old 07-29-2003, 06:55 AM   #7
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dang, EVO guys are everywhere... like gnats and mosquitos!! SHOOO! SHOOOOOOOOO!!
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Old 07-29-2003, 07:13 AM   #8
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I've driven both. It IS all they say it is. There is no shortage of reviews/comparisons of the STI vs others, find them (Car and Driver, SCC, Motor Trend, the list goes on). The question is, is it what YOU want? My advice to you is, if you are serious, find a dealer that will let you drive one. Keep searching until you do, making sure to let them know that if you buy an STI it will be NEVER be from a dealer who wouldn't let you test drive.
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Old 07-29-2003, 07:55 AM   #9
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I have driven both... with that being said I found this starting with the STi I feel as though the interior is nicer looking overall (gauges, appearance), as far as power both the STi and Evo have it (2.5 w/300hp/300tq @ 14.5psi, and 2.0 w 271hp/273tq @ 19.6psi ), style I think the STi wins that category simple and sleak. Comfort they both have a stiff suspension if you don't like it the cars aren't for you, along with the seats fit people different (I think the STi can fit a bigger person easier). The STi is shorter by 3" overall length than the Evo, and I think that shows up in the back seat (not as comfy for tall people)

Now with the Evo, for a little less $$$ you can get a single in-dash cd player, power moonroof, and my personal favorite the Recaro's (fit me alot better than the STi, seems more for the skinny type person). Yet lacks the center diff., and still has a 5spd, I think it has way to much going on style wise, and the Evo VII tail lights were alot better.

You can't go wrong with either, yes SOME people are having deto issues with the STi but SOA is working on trying to fix it. But the Evo @ 19.6psi stock that is a ticking time bomb (well at least a little to high for me right out of the box)

Good luck... for the $$$ both are worth it in different categories, and this was just my personal .02 cents

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Old 07-29-2003, 08:18 AM   #10
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in response to the question:

yes.
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Old 07-29-2003, 09:06 AM   #11
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You can't go wrong with either, yes SOME people are having deto issues with the STi but SOA is working on trying to fix it. But the Evo @ 19.6psi stock that is a ticking time bomb (well at least a little to high for me right out of the box)

Good luck... for the $$$ both are worth it in different categories, and this was just my personal .02 cents [/b]
I dont see the evo being a ticking time bomb at the least. The 4g63 is a proven engine and can handle that boost quite well. I thinkt he reason its so high is thats all the 16g will put out (I rationalized that maybe mitsu did'nt want people trashing their engines by upping the boost so they decided to put one on that would be maxed out..again just a theory) But anyway some of the fastest 4 cylinders in japan are evo's, so the engine will definitly hold that boost.
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Old 07-29-2003, 09:22 AM   #12
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I dont see the evo being a ticking time bomb at the least. The 4g63 is a proven engine and can handle that boost quite well. I thinkt he reason its so high is thats all the 16g will put out (I rationalized that maybe mitsu did'nt want people trashing their engines by upping the boost so they decided to put one on that would be maxed out..again just a theory) But anyway some of the fastest 4 cylinders in japan are evo's, so the engine will definitly hold that boost.
The 16G that is on the Evo is not maxed out at 19psi. In fact, the Evo only runs 19psi at 3500RPMs (the torque peak). It tapers off to just 16psi at 6500RPMs (the power peak). There are good gains to be had by upping the boost.
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Old 07-29-2003, 09:23 AM   #13
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I dont see the evo being a ticking time bomb at the least. The 4g63 is a proven engine and can handle that boost quite well. I thinkt he reason its so high is thats all the 16g will put out (I rationalized that maybe mitsu did'nt want people trashing their engines by upping the boost so they decided to put one on that would be maxed out..again just a theory) But anyway some of the fastest 4 cylinders in japan are evo's, so the engine will definitly hold that boost.
I know that they are proven engines/and cars, but like you just said by instead of having the owners be able to up boost just max out/or limit the turbo, so the owners won't want to add much more if any psi (again like I said before it's a personal opinion and all based on theory). In that respect I would chose the STi (bigger engine but not so high on the psi factor).

Never the less both are extremely awesome cars for the price tag, and you can't go wrong either way it's all on personal opinion.

Best bet to do is just go test drive both (STi & Evo) and see what you like more, for that price tag I wouldn't just look at the STi since the Evo is in the same ball park.

Personally the STi is for me, the STi is for me (voice in head) ... still waiting for the color combo that I want to be delivered to a NE dealership
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Old 07-29-2003, 09:29 AM   #14
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Both the STi and the EVO exceed my expectations of a performance sedan. Regardless of what the magazines say (they HAVE TO pick one or the other, no one would buy a tie), you can't go wrong with either. What one lacks, the other has, and vice versa. I am 6'2" and my head touched the roof in the EVO, so I went with the STi. I also think the DCCD will come in handy during the winter. It also helped that I got the STi for MSRP, and the Mits dealer was asking $34k for the EVO (it must have been the sill plates).

The EVO engine is a safer bet for long term reliability, strictly from the standpoint, like the det issues, that the STi engine is unproven. However, it has less displacement, and more boost, which potentially limit it to less overall power than the STi (speaking theoretically, since the boxer may be limited to less boost than the inline 4).

As for handling, they both stick like glue. I believe the STi is capable of out handling the EVO, but the combination of the DCCD, the highly sensitive drive by wire throttle, and the lack of turbo lag make it more difficult to push to its limits. The EVO is easier to drive smoothly, and like the reports have said, can make anyone turn good lap times with ease. I prefer a challenge.

I can keep coming up with dichotomies all day, but in the end, only your personal preferences will be able to sway your decision to one or the other. Either way you won't be able to wipe the smile off your face.
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Old 07-29-2003, 10:47 AM   #15
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Except for the seats. And the roominess. Oh, and it lacks a CD player.

What, I love the seats, sooooo soft in the STi. Also I think its quite roomy, just remember its a rally car not a Mini Van

Hummm, very easily solved when you get one installed that is 1,000,000,000,000 times better than stock.

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Old 07-29-2003, 10:52 AM   #16
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I have driven both the EVO and the STi. Let me start by saying that I really liked both cars. First car to drive was the EVO. It had very few miles on it and the dealer wanted me to see what the car could do, paying no mind to the break in period. This was the first red flag for me. I took the car out and found a twisty road, then a few high speed runs from a light or two. The EVO handles great, stops great and it is fast. The car feels good and it seems to talk back to you and tell you how the car is interacting with the road. The quality of the car leaves a little to be desired, but thatís Mitsubishi for you. (I currently drive an Eclipse, so I am not a Mitsu hater) The acceleration is great, once the boost kicks in and it dies off before red line. It has a considerable amount of lag. Not very linear, but impressive while under high boost. You gotta love those seats too. The EVO is a great car and I had a blast driving it.

The STi was the second car to drive and it was only one day after I drove the EVO. Let me start by saying that the car I drove is owned by the dealer and is driven daily by the owner. It is also used as a demo. The mileage was well over the break in level. (good sign to me). First thing I notice is the quality seems a bit higher and those gauges are so sweet. The seats are nice but the EVO seats are a bit better. Took the car out on the road and when this slow a$$ van turned off my road, I took off. The STi is so much more linear than the EVO. The power comes quick and doesnít die off as much as the EVO does near red line. The STi shifts nice with short throws and runs through the gears rapidly. It IS faster than the EVO is , stock / stock. The feel of the road that the car communicates to you is not as pronounced as the EVO, but it is there and felt very good. The handling is great. I did not have anything negative to say about it. The car felt neutral as did the EVO, but there is a little something about the EVO that makes it just feel a little more at home in a corner than the STi.

In my opinion the STi is a better car for me hands down. Although the EVO is a great car, I have decide to stick with my choice and stay on the list for an STi (next in line). The fact that there is no radio is not a factor. I have my system out of my car. No floor matsÖ.. come on. No problem. The ping/det problem is being addressed, and I have been assured by SOA that it will be taken care of for those that actually have it. Besides there hasnít been one case of it that I have heard of in Florida (where I live). The EVO on the other hand is burning out clutches and transmissions a little too much for my comfort. Then there is the Mitsu service. Donít even get me started there. I own an Eclipse donít forget.

To answer the original question, yes the STi is a great car and will live up to your expectations. I am sure that I will get some negative comments from some EVO fans, but my statements are based on facts. I have driven both cars hard, been researching both cars for 7 months, and hanging out in both STi and EVO forums. I am not some 16 yo kid that doesnít even have a chance at either car. (no offense against the young kids that do have the ability to get the car). I am a 30 yo engineer who happens to think the STi is a better car. In the end it does come right down to personal choice.
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Hi,

even though i own an EVO, i have driven both cars and maybe i can help you out with my experience.

tranny- both cars have a great tranny regardless of 5spd vs. 6spd. both are accurate and precise. i honestly beleive that the EVO is geared better for the engine and it is very easy to stay within the power band. for me a better gearing is better than an extra gear.

engine- first the STI, damn that thing is smooth, almost no lag and the power is very linear. it almost feel like a v8 instead of a boxer 4. the EVO on the other hand has lag but when the turbo kicks in you can feel it in that special plae i like to call butt. side note: before you get scared by all the people that saying that the EVO has 19.6 psi, make sure you understand that it is 19 psi that tapers doen to 16psi at the top end. the top end is were engine stress happens. if you like smooth power than the STI wins.

handling- for me the EVO wins this one. with amazing steering and VERY stiff suspension, it is one of the most fun cars i have ever driven. not that the STI isn't amazing but it just doesnt have that feel to it. it feels very numb compared to the EVO.

looks- that is up to you.

interior- i truly beleive that both cars are cheap. i owned a wrx before and my EVO feels just as bad. both will have rattles and both will have high road noise. the EVO seats are much better while the STI gauge cluster is the coolest thing EVER!!!!
you really need to at least seat in both and decide for your self which one you like more as far as interior goes.

that's it. also, i want to make sure that people understand that this review was made by a subaru fan who owned his fair share of cool subarus (STI v.5, 2002 WRX).
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bluesteele, how'd you get to drive the EVO? You say it's better than the STi and from your tone feel the STi is nothing. But you're in Canada, and Mitsu of Canada isn't importing an EVOs. So how'd you drive one? Hop the border?
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bluesteele is an idiot.

He was on revscene.net (local car forum) and acted like a total imbecile.

Insulting other's cars out of nowhere, obnoxious and ignorant... and here's his telling profile:


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This kid has no idea what he's talking about and I'm sure he's never even touched the evo8 or sti.
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Old 07-29-2003, 04:59 PM   #20
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This kid has no idea what he's talking about and I'm sure he's never even touched the evo8 or sti.
That's what I thought. I love how people talk crap about either cars when they haven't driven either, not even a WRX.

Now where's my pwn3d picture for the n00b.
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Hi,

even though i own an EVO, i have driven both cars and maybe i can help you out with my experience.

tranny- both cars have a great tranny regardless of 5spd vs. 6spd. both are accurate and precise. i honestly beleive that the EVO is geared better for the engine and it is very easy to stay within the power band. for me a better gearing is better than an extra gear.

engine- first the STI, damn that thing is smooth, almost no lag and the power is very linear. it almost feel like a v8 instead of a boxer 4. the EVO on the other hand has lag but when the turbo kicks in you can feel it in that special plae i like to call butt. side note: before you get scared by all the people that saying that the EVO has 19.6 psi, make sure you understand that it is 19 psi that tapers doen to 16psi at the top end. the top end is were engine stress happens. if you like smooth power than the STI wins.

handling- for me the EVO wins this one. with amazing steering and VERY stiff suspension, it is one of the most fun cars i have ever driven. not that the STI isn't amazing but it just doesnt have that feel to it. it feels very numb compared to the EVO.

looks- that is up to you.

interior- i truly beleive that both cars are cheap. i owned a wrx before and my EVO feels just as bad. both will have rattles and both will have high road noise. the EVO seats are much better while the STI gauge cluster is the coolest thing EVER!!!!
you really need to at least seat in both and decide for your self which one you like more as far as interior goes.

that's it. also, i want to make sure that people understand that this review was made by a subaru fan who owned his fair share of cool subarus (STI v.5, 2002 WRX).


you hit it right on the nose. good post. well, now that you have pretty much a boostin machine, what next. how does the twin-scroll turbo feel? does it cut lag as it's supposed to?
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you hit it right on the nose. good post. well, now that you have pretty much a boostin machine, what next. how does the twin-scroll turbo feel? does it cut lag as it's supposed to?
next will be some minor mods like fuel upgrade, exhaust, intake and gauges. the twin scroll is very nice but it limits the options as far as turbo upgrade goes. i am very happy with my decision but i think that i would be happy with either one of them. at the end of the day it all comes down to personal taste. just drive both and see which car speaks to you and appeal to your needs. if anybody is from MA and want to test drive the EVO before you make a decision, let me know.
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the sti is just hype. get the lancer evolution. it's better. i've driven both.
that's a very smart and well founded comment

now go back to your Gran turismo until you get a license.
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