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Old 08-03-2003, 01:20 PM   #1
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Default What makes a swap illegal? please help!

I really want to know, I have a 1997 legacy, what can I legally put in it? Or is it different from state to state, I live in florida.
Also what is the penalty?
Thanks to all that can help,
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Old 08-03-2003, 04:13 PM   #2
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"Emissions and Legal Issues
In most (if not all) cases, Honda Hybrids remain emissions legal, thanks to the low emissions levels of Honda engines. However to stay emissions legal, you will have to retain all the emissions hardware that came with the original chassis/engine or, even better, uprade the emissions hardware to the one that comes with the new motor.
The essential hardware that is required for legal emissions are:

catalytic converter of the correct type
properly functioning O2 sensor
properly function evaporative emissions hardware
Due to the different emissions testing standards in various states, a hybrid may not pass certain emissions requirements. For example, California vehicles have to pass a visual inspection in addition to the emissions tests.
Staying legal is not difficult too. Most states require that engines can only be replaced by engines of the same or later model-year vehicles. Hence, it is easier to find replacement engines for older cars than for newer cars. Some states keep a record of the engine serial numbers so make sure you update your vehicle registration with the new serial number.

One last thing. Make sure the engine has proper paperwork when you purchase it. Serial numbers are required to be on the engine, so that it is easily traceable. With the prices of certain engines skyrocketing due to the large demand, there is always a market for illegally acquired engines. I know of at least one HP list member who had his hybrid Prelude engine confisticated as it did not have a serial number."
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Old 08-03-2003, 05:38 PM   #3
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Now I don't have any legal documentation to back this up with, but aside from retaining the emissions equipment present on the engine swap, I believe the engine had to be from a car of equal or newer year.

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Old 08-03-2003, 05:47 PM   #4
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I thought that was only in California, but i'm not positive.
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Old 08-04-2003, 10:34 AM   #5
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Thank you guys SO much,
Unfortunately, now I know I've got an issue (1997 legacy with a solid deck 1992 jdm 2.0)
hhmmmm.....
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Old 08-04-2003, 12:18 PM   #6
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when I was in FL there were NO inspection/emission testing...has that changed?
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Old 08-04-2003, 12:33 PM   #7
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when I was in FL there were NO inspection/emission testing...has that changed?
Nope!
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Old 08-04-2003, 02:26 PM   #8
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I was more referring for later on down the road if I sell it.
Sorry should have said that.
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Old 08-04-2003, 05:37 PM   #9
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I wouldn't worry about that........but then again I can't ever see me selling my car
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Old 08-06-2003, 12:19 PM   #10
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You still have the green impreza right?
No there are no inspections, but i din't know if there was other stuff I needed to know.
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Old 08-06-2003, 12:36 PM   #11
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You still have the green impreza right?
aaaaaaaahhhhh yeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhh......not going to part w/that
the car is constantly evolving and I'm thinking that a cage might be needed soon
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Old 08-06-2003, 07:10 PM   #12
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That's crazy! I remember when you just had a safc, rims and exhaust on that thing.
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Old 08-06-2003, 09:45 PM   #13
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check with the emission laws in your state. in maryland all you need to do to pass after failing it the first time around is to show that you've spent $400 trying to fix the problem, then get a waiver and never have to worry about it again. thats probably a lot less then it would cost to get the car through emissions.
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Old 08-07-2003, 09:22 AM   #14
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That's crazy! I remember when you just had a safc, rims and exhaust on that thing.
well, you forget the turbo motor was in it by the time I moved to FL
check this out...........
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Old 08-07-2003, 11:08 AM   #15
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Well...no, I remembered the swap I just meant that it was a stock turbo motor.
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Old 08-07-2003, 11:15 AM   #16
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O.......still somewhat stock.....until the heads & cams go in and it becomes more like a 22B
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Old 08-07-2003, 11:25 AM   #17
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.......I just looked...don't go anyone! You will be overcome with jealousy .

Awesome man, I can't believe how it turned out keep your front bumper unpainted so we can have the "whatthehelldidyoudotothatthing"...club.
I wish I had the money for the fmic. Sadly interwarmer, as you put it is about right for the tmic. You have to keep the thing frozen for it to work right. But I still have headers, uppipe, and a downpipe to buy and possibly heads since I heard the ones I have don't flow so well.
hopefully when I come back from boot camp I can get some more goodies.
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Old 08-07-2003, 11:32 AM   #18
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boot camp.......fun, been there done that

I got a good deal on the FMIC
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Old 08-07-2003, 01:05 PM   #19
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Which one did you do?
Yeah I would like to avoid paying 1500+ for the fmic, especially after the hks headers I just got done paying for...
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Old 08-07-2003, 02:36 PM   #20
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Ft. Benning School of Infantry in '89

I got my FMIC kit for about $800 shipped from Japan
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Rock on...

I wish I could find them that cheap.
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