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Old 08-04-2003, 03:15 PM   #1
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Default Best AutoX street tire ?

Best dry grip AutoX Street tire ?

Please try to keep opinions to actual experiance where possible.

Tire size of: 225/45x17
Cost not a factor.
Tire MUST be street tire legal.
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Old 08-04-2003, 03:19 PM   #2
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street tire with no less then a 140 treadware.

BFG KD if you can afford them and the Falken Azenis Sport in a close 2nd.

The BFG KD's are $193 on TireRack in a 225/45-17
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Old 08-04-2003, 05:14 PM   #3
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Falken Azenis are another option. They are sticky enough to make your wheel bearing very unhappy.

http://www.vulcantire.com/azenis_t.htm

$106 a piece in 225/45 17
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Old 08-04-2003, 05:42 PM   #4
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I would recommend the Azenis Sports also. I just put 225/45 -17 Azenis on my car last week and auto-x them this past Sunday. BIG improvement. They got slick a little slick on the last run of the day....but overall they were outstanding.

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Old 08-04-2003, 06:26 PM   #5
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STi tires
BFG KD
Azenis
Kumho MX

I once owned an STX class full of drivers on Azenis while I had the kumho MX (it was raining)
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Old 08-04-2003, 06:41 PM   #6
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Most people seem to go with Azenis or shaved MXs.
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Old 08-04-2003, 08:51 PM   #7
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I can't believe no one's mentioned Azenis 215/45/16. IMHO these are pretty decent affordable tire for D Stock. The smaller size lessens to outer diamter, which lowers the gearing. It makes the turbo lag less of a pain. However, I'm still a about a second off drivers with Kuhmo race rubber. Although the Azenis are a good chunk less.
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Old 08-04-2003, 09:39 PM   #8
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Default Re: Best AutoX street tire ?

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Best dry grip AutoX Street tire ?

Please try to keep opinions to actual experiance where possible.

Tire size of: 225/45x17
Cost not a factor.
Tire MUST be street tire legal.
John,

If you're going to stick with 225/45-17, the Azenis would be my #1 choice. The BFG KD's MAY stick a little better, but the stiff sidewalls on the Azenis definitely feel more precise.

Now if cost is really no factor, then the ultimate choice would be 245/40-17 BFG KD's. However, you'll need plenty of negative camber and rolled fenders to use these bad boys.

BTW - I wouldn't recommend the 215/45-16's on the big lots you get to play on. 225/45-17 seemed to provide just about ideal gearing at Miller Park last weekend.


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Old 08-04-2003, 10:42 PM   #9
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John,

If you're going to stick with 225/45-17, the Azenis would be my #1 choice. The BFG KD's MAY stick a little better, but the stiff sidewalls on the Azenis definitely feel more precise.

Now if cost is really no factor, then the ultimate choice would be 245/40-17 BFG KD's. However, you'll need plenty of negative camber and rolled fenders to use these bad boys.

BTW - I wouldn't recommend the 215/45-16's on the big lots you get to play on. 225/45-17 seemed to provide just about ideal gearing at Miller Park last weekend.


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With the camber at -2.5 front and -1.5 rear the 245/40-17 KD's should fit just fine. You might have to take off the rubber strip on the rear fender lips but that's it. I checked the specs on the KD.
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Old 08-04-2003, 11:25 PM   #10
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Wink thanks

Great feedback, thanks guys !

I was more interested in the overall grip and feel of the tire. The choice is, as noted above, between the Azenis, Khumo MX and the BFG KD's. I did not want to cloud the question but to add to this I want to keep my RS 16x7" rims so the size Im looking at is 215/45x16 Azenis or 225/50x16 BFG KD's/Khumo MX's. Now if I was buying wheels as well then I would try to fit the 245/40x17 BFG KD's but at a high cost !

For close to the price of the KD's (225/50x15 $780 shipped) I could get 225/45x17 Azenis mounted on common clone rims. But I like to be a little different so Im leaning towards the KD's.
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Old 08-05-2003, 01:12 AM   #11
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Howdy,

I have been running the MX(225/50/16) all summer and have loved em. But, for fun, i am gonna run a new set of Azenis' (215/45/16) for my next event. I am hoping the Falkens in this size are gonna be the ticket for this next course.

Cant wait to reveal these tires as my latest secret weapon.

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Old 08-05-2003, 01:22 AM   #12
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AZENIS...

i never been so impressed w/ a 'street' rated tire.

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Old 08-05-2003, 01:33 AM   #13
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I've raced on Azenis for 2 years and due to their consistent inconsitency I'm leaving them behind. Of course I'll be making the jump over to ESP so it will be R Compound for me from now on.

I will say that the Advan A046 (Evo) and the new Potenza 070 (STi) will add a new dimension to the STS/STX mix once they become more readily available. Unfortunately they aren't cheap like the Azenis or MX. Pretty soon I think we'll see the trend of cheater tires, questionable UTQG 140 rating and high $$$, destroying the classes. Right now the 3 options (KD, Az., MX) are VERY close depending on surface and temperature. That will change soon...
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Old 08-05-2003, 01:40 AM   #14
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If cost is no issue, I would suggest Toyo RA-1's. They are a DOT legal R compound tire and they are ridiculously sticky. I am using them right now and the only downside is that they wear incredibly quickly.
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Old 08-05-2003, 07:01 AM   #15
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If cost is no issue, I would suggest Toyo RA-1's. They are a DOT legal R compound tire and they are ridiculously sticky. I am using them right now and the only downside is that they wear incredibly quickly.
They have a treadwear rating of 40 (reference one recently viewed as well as Toyo's web site, so would not count as a street tire by anyone's rules. The Azenis and RE070's at least are realistic street tires for a daily driver.
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#1 ---- KD's
#2 ----MX's

'nuff said
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Old 08-05-2003, 09:26 AM   #17
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#2 ----MX's

'nuff said
With all due respect,,,that statement is from a vendor that doesnt sell Falkens..
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Old 08-05-2003, 02:13 PM   #18
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AZENIS...

i never been so impressed w/ a 'street' rated tire.

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what size are you wheels? and what suspension setup did you use, from what i'm seeing you have major stiffness... BOING for TRACTION
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I would go with Azenis too but if people are going to throw in the MXs than I would add the S03s. The S03s stand up really well to repeated AutoXing, have a progressive breakaway, quite, very responsive, really stiff sidewall (you can actually autoX with about 35 psi and have no problem with rollover) and if not the last word in sticky dry street tires (although they are excellent) they make up for that because they are the best wet street tire I have ever used. You can also get 15k+ miles out of a set assuming frequent rotation. Never used or ridden in a car with KDs but they are reported to be excellent.
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Old 08-05-2003, 11:36 PM   #20
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what size are you wheels? and what suspension setup did you use, from what i'm seeing you have major stiffness... BOING for TRACTION
i'm on tanabe sustec pros

the setup is plenty stiff... those are 17" x 7.5" w/ 225/45/17 azenis.

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i'm expecting my Jic FLT-A2 this week or so... i'm wondering what struts and sways are u using?
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i'm expecting my Jic FLT-A2 this week or so... i'm wondering what struts and sways are u using?
whiteline sway
tanabe coil overs set to stiffest.

the problem w/ that setup in the pix was the rear tires didn't have enough tire pressure... specially in that particular run.. so the rears were gripping too much... as you can see... the last run finally got the tire pressure up and the car to turn...
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it looks like ur passenger rear wheel is off the ground
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I autocross on KDs in the San Francisco Region. They more sticky than the stock WRX suspension can handle. I have a rear sway bar and at a certain lateral accel, the stock suspension gets really out of whack and I lose grip. BUT the tires are not the weak link. With a nice suspension, these tires will equal a win. This is my first year autocrossing and I am about 1-2 seconds off the leaders who have coilovers and azenis and atleast 50 HP more. Oh, and I really don't feel a loss of grip when they get hot.
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Wheels from subydude
And I have to stop autocrossing on no sleep. Kills reaction time.

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