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Old 08-04-2003, 06:54 PM   #1
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Default 04' Baja Turbo going into MY00 Legacy. yeah!

Ok itís down to two shops in town to do the engine swap from a 04' Baja Turbo into MY00 Legacy. I know most of you have been watching me look at the turbo bolt on, but I think for simplicity and reliability for a base, I can not beat this swap. I can order and receive the engine for 5k and can enjoy the semi-closed deck and 8.2:1 shipping included.

The last few items I am trying to run down is the ECU issues, and what?....?...?

I would like to ask the group what else should I be looking for and/or asking about to make this swap. The mounting bolts are the same as the 2.5l N/A in the Legacy due to the same chassis. The hood from the Baja will also be ordered.

The last question would be what does our 2.5l engine go for with 40k miles and so clean you could eat off of it?

This is a cross post in the conversion forum as well.
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Old 08-05-2003, 11:47 AM   #2
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um you really need the whole car until some one else does the conversoin...

you need
the whole harness
ecu and tcu
the gas pedel
the crossmember
fuel pump controller
exaust
engine
power steering res
radiator
hood
etc/more!

if you have both cars it should bolt up no proublems
but it will take more than just the engine
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Old 08-05-2003, 01:55 PM   #3
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Be forwarned: you will be the pioneer on this swap. We can speculate about what you need, but there is really no known path until it has been down.

The only thing I would argue about Jaxx's list is the radiator doesn't have to be changed. You have a 16mm core on your car and the Baja should have a 20mm core. If you aren't driving hard you could get away with your radiator as many RS hybrids are doing.

At a minimum, you will need the bulkhead wiring harnesses. If you can get the entire harness out of the Baja, all the better.

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Old 08-05-2003, 03:49 PM   #4
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Default Re: 04' Baja Turbo going into MY00 Legacy. yeah!

Are you buying this right from the dealer, if not where from?

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Ok itís down to two shops in town to do the engine swap from a 04' Baja Turbo into MY00 Legacy. I know most of you have been watching me look at the turbo bolt on, but I think for simplicity and reliability for a base, I can not beat this swap. I can order and receive the engine for 5k and can enjoy the semi-closed deck and 8.2:1 shipping included.

The last few items I am trying to run down is the ECU issues, and what?....?...?

I would like to ask the group what else should I be looking for and/or asking about to make this swap. The mounting bolts are the same as the 2.5l N/A in the Legacy due to the same chassis. The hood from the Baja will also be ordered.

The last question would be what does our 2.5l engine go for with 40k miles and so clean you could eat off of it?

This is a cross post in the conversion forum as well.
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Old 08-05-2003, 05:26 PM   #5
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Ya it is from a dealer. I am getting a list of what I need, and am trying to find out what all I need. THe crossmember is another item I am adding to the list. I will be going with maybe a Haltec ECU due to the shop here in town works with them.
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Old 08-05-2003, 05:49 PM   #6
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wow this is going to be a really expensive project will a haltec control the avcs and throttle by wire
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Old 08-05-2003, 07:04 PM   #7
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Only GEMS and the non-US Link+ will control AVCS.

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Old 08-05-2003, 11:06 PM   #8
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Well I am talking to a tuner here in town and it sounds like he wants to put the STi block in the car instead. For $5k I get 210hp, or for $6100 I get 300hp, give or take. Better bang and internals with the STi for only 1k more. The question just like the Baja swap is how will it bolt in the bay. No matter with the either engine I will still need most of the parts some have listed above. So the engine it self, and HOW it bolts up with the transmission is the big question. Any ideas or thoughts?
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Old 08-05-2003, 11:14 PM   #9
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i would wager it will be closer to $10000 for 210 hp or $11100 for 300

espically if you have to pay for the labor


i am just gonna come out and say this

you are aproching this project very hap-hazardly .. its not going to end well

if you want to do this find a wrecked forester XT or baja turbo and swap all the componets ..

you can usualy buy a compleate wreck for $4500 or less so the price you have been quoted is NOT a good deal
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Old 08-05-2003, 11:29 PM   #10
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Default Re: 04' Baja Turbo going into MY00 Legacy. yeah!

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This is a cross post in the conversion forum as well.
wow, and i thought this was the conversion forum.

why dont you do a wrx swap? it would be easier for you.

and i am sure you can find a wrx motor harness and ecu for a great price.
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Old 08-06-2003, 12:15 AM   #11
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I thought the WRX would not go into the 00+Legacys?
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Old 08-06-2003, 07:53 AM   #12
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Well, look at it this way, your Legacy has the same EJ25 that the Impreza 2.5RS has. A WRX EJ20T will bolt right into that car, why would you think it wouldn't bolt into yours?

The answer is that it will bolt right in. You will need the ECU, wiring harness, cross member, uprated fuel pump of some sort, etc.

A MUCH cheaper option than buying a new crate motor from a dealership. Or, just wait for someone to wreck their Forester XT or Baja.

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Old 08-06-2003, 09:05 AM   #13
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Well, look at it this way, your Legacy has the same EJ25 that the Impreza 2.5RS has. A WRX EJ20T will bolt right into that car, why would you think it wouldn't bolt into yours?

The answer is that it will bolt right in. You will need the ECU, wiring harness, cross member, uprated fuel pump of some sort, etc.

A MUCH cheaper option than buying a new crate motor from a dealership. Or, just wait for someone to wreck their Forester XT or Baja.

- Trent
I agree 100% Buying new is pointless.... you're better off tearing down your current engine & rebuilding the internals & putting a turbo kit on it that buying a new motor direct from the dealer.

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Old 08-06-2003, 10:19 AM   #14
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Well If I look at the Baja over the WRX engine, the WRX swap make more sense like the shop was saying I guess. I can see where there are more parts for the WRX over the Legacy too. How will it bolt up to the Tansmission, will I have to get the WRX tranny too?
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Old 08-06-2003, 11:35 AM   #15
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well thats just it they are very simmilar engines
most of the "parts" for a wrx motor will fit a xt or bajaT motor.
the transmission is the same

the only non bolt on part is the wireing .. stand alone ecus are expensive to install and can be difficult to tune do the the small numebrs of 4 wheel dynos
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Old 08-06-2003, 11:48 AM   #16
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the only non bolt on part is the wireing .. stand alone ecus are expensive to install and can be difficult to tune do the the small numebrs of 4 wheel dynos
That is the million dollor Q&A!
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Old 08-06-2003, 11:59 AM   #17
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My suggestion would be to bounce through the FAQ at the very least. A lot of your misconceptions are addressed there.

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Old 08-06-2003, 08:25 PM   #18
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hahaha

So get this, I am in the middle of posting and I get a call from a friend telling me he knows someone who is selling the whole WRX engine, with Tranny, ecu, intercooler, fuel pump, everything!
I can get it all with only 7 miles on it for $3800.
I have mail off to Adam at I-Speed, and also made a post in their forum. How does that all sound?
Talk about timing!



I forgot I need a different differential. Suggestions?
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Old 08-06-2003, 11:04 PM   #19
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yay!

i think you will be much happier

post in the private wanted forums 3.54 diff show up regularly as peopel swap in 6 speeds
or you can keep your legacy tranny
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hahaha

So get this, I am in the middle of posting and I get a call from a friend telling me he knows someone who is selling the whole WRX engine, with Tranny, ecu, intercooler, fuel pump, everything!
I can get it all with only 7 miles on it for $3800.
I have mail off to Adam at I-Speed, and also made a post in their forum. How does that all sound?
Talk about timing!



I forgot I need a different differential. Suggestions?
I wouldn't swap the tranny out. Your MY00 Legacy should have the viscous rear limited-slip diff, and there is no evidence that the WRX 5 speed is any better or stronger than the 5 speed already in your car. You might want to think about a different clutch, but that is personal preference.

Keeping the existing tranny will lower the price of the swap labor, too.

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Old 08-07-2003, 10:32 AM   #21
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good point
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Old 08-08-2003, 09:02 AM   #22
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You will want a new clutch... My wife's '02 Legacy clutch seems to slip early in the torque band & sometimes in the higher RPMs with just an PDM intake & Brullen catback exhaust. It has barely over 20k miles & she doesn't drive it hard very often.

So buy your engine & get this project going already! I'd like to follow your footsteps next year if possible.
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Old 08-09-2003, 10:17 AM   #23
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Well I talked to I-speed (Chris) today on the phone and have decided to just let them do the engine and swap. They do not need the tranny so the engine that was for sale is no longer needed.
I will re-post when I get all the upgraded parts and costs for anyone who wants to see. This should be fun!
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Old 08-09-2003, 12:21 PM   #24
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Please keep us updated with associated costs, etc.
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Good choice. Now you can use all the money your going to save to upgrade even more. I'd spend the $1200 extra you were going to spend on the Baja T engine and have them p&p the heads and maybe do a few other internal upgrades. You'll also save some money in other places too since accessory parts for the motor are cheaper than for the Baja T since it's not even out yet.

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