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Old 08-05-2003, 09:25 PM   #1
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How is it that the Cobb stage 1 seems to get the same thing done as all the other companies for half the price or less?
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Old 08-05-2003, 10:42 PM   #2
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"Our pricing is not due to the fact that we are offering anything less but rather the fact that since the technology was developed fully in-house, we do not have the same "cost per flash" as other companies that use third-party software. Furthermore, we have several "feature-enhancing" products to introduce in the future that build on the AccessECU technology. Our pricing reflects the desire to maintain accessibility of these future products to a large segment of the Subaru market."

From the AccessECU FAQ located here, which also talks about your warranty question.
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Old 08-05-2003, 10:48 PM   #3
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Old 08-06-2003, 01:13 AM   #4
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How is it that the Cobb stage 1 seems to get the same thing done as all the other companies for half the price or less?
An important point to consider...

When buying Cobb AccessEcu (which is very good I might add) it is not tuned to your EXACT car, but to a similar setup. You must give a discription of your car (and make sure it is accurate) and they take an educated guess as to the map to match your car. For the money you can't beat it. They are doing a great job and have the best product to meet the need of the stock and common mod WRXs.

However, for Vishnu they are actually tuning your car with the mods and ecu. So they spend time ACTUALLY tuning your car. Not just sending you a ECU with a map for your car. That is why Shiv of Vishnu travels all over the states and has Dyno Days for people to bring in their car to he can tune them.


I would have to say that if you have a stock car or some very common mods using common upgrades you can't beat Cobb for quality or price.

However, if you are really into tuning up your car and you have more mods like a new turbo or an uncommon cat-back or turbo-back and anyting else that is different I would want Shiv and Vishnu to tune my car.

I really think they are both a great deal and it really depends on the needs, mods, and costs to the client.
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Old 08-06-2003, 09:39 AM   #5
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Cobb offers Dyno tuned reflashes just ast Shiv... It just requires you to go to them and get on their in house dyno... You also have to pay for dyno time, but it still comes out cheaper in the end.

If it wasn't such a drive, I'd consider it.
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Old 08-06-2003, 11:44 AM   #6
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It would be great if Trey and the team at Cobb would do some Dyno Days across the country.

I will probably go to Vishnu just because it is very close by. However, if Cobb was doing a Dyno Day with tuning and moding in San Francisco I would probably check them out.
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Old 08-06-2003, 09:26 PM   #7
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I'm shopping for an ECU upgrade for my '03 REX so this is an important thread that raises some interesting questions. For instance (and this in is no way a slam just an honest question) how would COBB figure what the proper tuning parameters would be for my car down here in hot and humid Florida compared to, let's say, someone in Denver? With huge altitude, average temperature, and humidity differences it has to make an enormous difference in how the car is tuned. This matters to me because Iím really leaning towards the COBB Stage 1. I have no interest in trying to tune the car myself with one of the other ECU choices as Iím not looking to get ten tenths out of the engine, I just want a bit more power to play with.
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Old 08-07-2003, 10:20 AM   #8
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One small factor in the altitude/climate difference is fual availability and the map for that octane. In general, the most octane in the Denver area is 91 (I think thats right...) where as when I go home to hot and humid Houston, I can get 93.
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.... For instance (and this in is no way a slam just an honest question) how would COBB figure what the proper tuning parameters would be for my car down here in hot and humid Florida compared to, let's say, someone in Denver? With huge altitude, average temperature, and humidity differences it has to make an enormous difference in how the car is tuned.... Opinions?
I would suggest calling COBB and talking with Trey. The more information about your car, where you live, and your driving habits the better they will be able to serve you.
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Old 08-07-2003, 10:45 AM   #10
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The other advange when making a broad reflash like Cobb is that the Stock ECU & logic is still being used. When I drive to Colorado, my ECU relearns what is needed to run well up at altitude... Cobb's reflash changes the 'targets' for the ECU yet all the work the stock ECU does to achive those leves is in tact. A stand alone is different as if I drove from home to Denver, I'd have to take out some fuel & re-tune everything for it to run well. Another selling point to the Reflash.

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Old 08-07-2003, 08:19 PM   #11
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Thanks for the input all. On the point made by omahasubaru. Are you saying that the Piggy back units like the TurboXS would have to be retuned when driven into higher altitudes or a drastically colder/dryer climate? I would have never thought of that. If thatís true then Iíll definitely go with the COBB.
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Old 08-08-2003, 02:00 AM   #12
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Yeah, omaha is dead on... the Cobb reflash leaves stock safety features intact. They simply adjust the values the ECU has to work with to make it's decisions. The ECU will still "learn" after you reinstall the flashed version into your car.
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Old 08-08-2003, 10:27 AM   #13
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Hey guys, I live in New York and I am very interested in Vishnu and Cobb. However I'm way too far away from Vishnu and Cobb

My question is has anybody here shipped their ECU to Cobb or Vishnu if so how long did it take to get back and was the ECU ok during shipping? Because I know UPS doesn't take care of items reallt well.
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Hundreds of people have shipped their ECUs to Cobb. I am lucky enough to live 15 minutes away though. Look at the AccessECU section of their site and they give you shipping instructions for next day service....
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I understand, I was just worried about my ECU being damaged in the shipping process.
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Old 08-08-2003, 12:01 PM   #16
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I understand, I was just worried about my ECU being damaged in the shipping process.
Pack it well & follow Cobb's guidelines about box deflection & you should have new issues... get Insurance on the package too.
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Old 08-08-2003, 04:47 PM   #17
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I shipped my ECU on a wednesday and had it back installed on friday after lunch. Cobb's service is excellent and i very happy with my stage 2 reflash.

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