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Old 07-29-2003, 05:19 AM   #1
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Default Engine swap along with a hoodscoop addition

I was thinking of getting a 93 or 94 impreza 1.8l and engine swaping it with a USDM 02-03 wrx engine. Anybody know of any shops that could do this for me near MD or along the east coast? also how would i make a hoodscoop addition? just buy like an sti hoodscoop and take a jigsaw to the hood? any ideas?

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Old 07-29-2003, 06:52 AM   #2
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There are alot of shops by you, main one that comes to mind is RalliSpec.
Just get buy an RS hood w/ scoop and vents and put it on the car.
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Old 07-29-2003, 11:39 AM   #3
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Rallispec and Lachute Subaru are both near you. You will be looking at around $10k to pay somebody to do an entire swap.

My current costs are right at about $7k and I'm doing the installation myself. This is excluding painting the hood and purchasing new headlights, but it does include some extras like brakes, flywheel, and downpipe.

You can either source a pre-facelift WRX hood from overseas or any RS/Outback Sport hood from 1996-2001 will work. You will have to change out the grill and the headlights though to make it look factory.

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Old 07-29-2003, 02:15 PM   #4
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rallispec just finished my electrical work 2 weeks ago (did a good job IMHO). I bought a wrecked 02 WRX, transplanted motor, crossmemebers, trans and diff myself into my 96 sedan. Because I was not going to spend the money for hood, lights and grill I cut a hole in the current hood and transferred the hood scoop and parts over. It doesn't look the best because the scoop sets up with 3/8 " gap. If you have the time you could probably make it look alot better, but in this case it's a rally car so I'm not too concerned, more concerned in getting it ready mechanically for Maine Pro rally this weekend

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Old 07-31-2003, 07:01 AM   #5
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Actually you can get away without getting a new grill and headlights for the older eyars. Hood will hang over a little, but fits and opens/closes properly.

stimpy: 10K for everything? Better have cost of car included in the price plus other upgrades to the car.
I would say for an older JDM WRX front clip/drivetrain w/ TD05 would cost around $3-4K. Install (stock) and tuned w/ stock ecu is around $1500-2500. But for a USDM 02+ WRX setup, I would say is cheaper, but have to hunt one down. Install would be cheaper too, because it's less work, especially on the wiring harness.
Who know's really, different prices for everything, depending on where you live and how far you want to drive, heh!
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Old 07-31-2003, 08:49 PM   #6
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4star racing in Canada, they are doing mine. They are near Toronto.
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Old 08-01-2003, 01:06 PM   #7
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Teague's is in N.C. and Auto Solutions and I-Car in Virginia Beach say that they will. I live in Virginia Beach and am doing it myself.
Hope this helps, Micah
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Old 08-04-2003, 07:24 AM   #8
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i second that....10 k for a swap,no,no it sounds way to much.that should include price of the car with aftermarket parts.i seen places that sell the 2.5 rs hood replica for like 4-5 humdred bucks at asylumms.com it comes in aluminum,fiberglass,and C. F....i dont know how they fit but if you cant get a real one this is the next best thing.of coure you will probably want to get the 97+ headlight and grill but thats all up to you. good luck!
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Old 08-04-2003, 12:48 PM   #9
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As per my very own personal calculations (from personal experience, mind you) I'm at $5500 with NO LABOR for all the mandatory parts for a USDM WRX swap. I've got an extra $1500 in drivetrain parts that are not mandatory for the swap, but are nice to have like flywheel, radiator, up-pipe, and downpipe. Then there are brakes, wheels, and other items in addition to that but also not needed for the swap. For an entire conversion on my car including exterior, brakes, drivetrain, everything to make it a full-blown WRX performing GFA, will take $10k with no labor. Jaxx, who has done an early JDM conversion, is upwards of $12k with no labor.

The question was posed regarding a complete USDM swap with installation and I am relating my own personal experience. Often people spout out numbers with no factual background on the swap. Indeed, it is possible to go cheaper but it is best to overestimate rather than underestimate. If all you want is the engine, I-speedUSA will gladly take your $7500 and give you that. Might even be worth it. However, to source the drivetrain yourself is going to require $5k for the entire setup and then you have to arrange installation and replacement of any parts damaged, not included, or needed but unanticipated.

Argue all you want about what sounds too high but I'm telling you from my very own receipts. Worth noting is what I paid for my drivetrain and what they commonly are sold for. I've seen differences of up to $1500 in excess of what I paid for mine and they are missing parts mine had. Care for a spreadsheet of all associated costs thus far?

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Old 08-04-2003, 01:00 PM   #10
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10k for the swap running completely stock sounds exactly right.

Since everything will be taken apart additions dont usually increase the price. For example, a new clutch is going to be easy with the engine out!

Im doing a 2.2 turbo swap into a legacy and Ill end up paying about 4500 when Im done (got a complete vehicle for 1000$). This is for a swap that is basically bolt on, in other words no special wiring or custom items needed.
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Old 08-05-2003, 12:10 AM   #11
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from what I've read on engine swaps it takes loads of money or loads of time or both to do wiring. if I got a front clip and it came with both sides of the wire harness would this take away from all the guess work? and would it just be easy as swapping harnesses

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Old 08-05-2003, 12:37 AM   #12
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Default i like the front clip approach

the challenge i've been finding though is that its tougher to find usdm front clips w/o buying the whole car. jdm front clips pop up more readily but then you have the issue of an non-us motor, and the extension of wires due to the rhd. I've been considering the option of directly transplanting a rhd drive train & interior w/ st rack & wheel as is. it'd be fun to drive on the wrong side of the car! but after looking over Phy6's project interior,

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=400203

I'm not sure all the mounts and holes are here that are on the jdms. would need to weld & cut.

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Old 08-05-2003, 12:49 AM   #13
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sooooo the only problems would be u need to extend the wires?

a usdm RHD hummmmm......
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Old 08-05-2003, 01:39 AM   #14
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Not worth the wiring headaches witht the V6 engine or any JDM engine.
Call Rallispec or go to rallispec.com and get a $2500 USDM WRX engine with low miles.
Have them do the 30HR wiring job.
Rent a pick up and an engine hoist.
unplug every thing, pull out the 2.5L paper weight and mount that sucker to your stock trans.
$3500 later youll have an STi eater
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Old 08-05-2003, 01:43 AM   #15
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what wiring headach's would there be with a front clip?
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Old 08-05-2003, 07:35 AM   #16
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Default not all wired in parts come w/ a front clip

if you have the tranny, & cluster w/ the engine, this simplifies some of the instrumentation wiring if you use those from the donor. (seems to be a challenge to some w/ motor & harness only) not all the sensors are included in a FC. (eg: some O sensors further back in the exhaust may be left out. the egr stuff in the passenger rear corner is also left out.)

So to answer you question, "extend the wires of rhd to lhd all thats required?" no. amenities that run on juice need be wired in. signal lights, power anything, etc. I just suggest that retaining most of the powertrain intact, could be simpler, only because you could extend some wiring & keep most of it together. (simple disassembly/reassembly of wiring) you'd minimize detective work. Something of course will always pop up to stump you though.

My own project cars wer targeted for their lack of power amenities (roll up windows) and obdI simply to reduce the number of electrical components outside of central powertrain. My biggest reason for seeking a front clip is to keep most of the relays, fuse boxes, and all interior instument cluster/controls together in one piece. Then you could disassemble both cars and compare. I'm no electrician, so the visual reference helps me. not everyone has this handicap.
tony

p.s. i'm not advocating the jdm over usdm, i'd like an officially street legal ride also. (esp. given the quality of socal gas) but for obdI you have the choice w/ the possibility of passing emissions. While one of my swaps will definately be usdm, the cost of labor, to me, is worth a lot of mods and fuel. maybe i'll try a DIY the second time around? for now, i'm spectating.

ask around; current swappers, how much planning was put in? alot, no?

tony

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Old 08-05-2003, 05:30 PM   #17
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I will be picking up my USDM swap this Friday. I have a MY00 L so I needed the trans diff. and everything. I found a guy selling a complete USDM drivetrain, including cross member and everything, they also through in a Brulle header w/up pipe, InJen intake, and pullys. I bought a JDM full length DP, and an HSK cat back. I also picked up a Yoshio tuned ECU that the guy had. I also picked up Greddy boost, EGT, and Oil Press gauges, and center pod. Also a VIS hood to cool that IC

All included I spent 9500.00, I think this is about average. including the price of the car I should have 18kish into the car, not bad considering it should spank a WRX, and looks better IMO. I will be hitting the track and scales as soon as I can. I will also post some picks when I can.
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Old 08-06-2003, 01:29 AM   #18
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Default grrrrrrrrr, um, ok, good on ya

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