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Old 08-06-2003, 10:55 AM   #1
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Default Dealer wont align car to my specifications....

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Just wondering if anyone has run into this problem. I am trying to buy and STI, and have requested that they align the car to my specifications when they deliver it. I have agreed to pay for the alignment, I have no problem with that.

They are saying that I have requested something that will "void the Subaru warranty" which is my favorite line in the world.

I have asked that they align the car as follows:

As much negative camber in front as they can get, equal on each side. I said I expected they could get somewhere around -1 to -1.3 degrees. And to also do the same in the rear, somewhere are -1 to -1.4. Lastly I asked for zero toe front and rear.

Am I out of line here? Has anyone else faced this? Does anyone have the service manual which shows the factoried specified range?

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Old 08-06-2003, 11:04 AM   #2
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Dealer is just covering their butt. If you should happen to have an accident or even just tire wear problem they are afraid you would go after them. Most dealers do not do in house alignments so just take it to an alignment shop and have it done. That way the dealer doesn't get to drive your car to the alignment shop for you.
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Old 08-06-2003, 11:09 AM   #3
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They are an Audi dealer as well, so they have a great alignment rack, so that is not an issue. Seems unreasonable to me, because last I checked I am the one paying for the car.....

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Old 08-06-2003, 12:10 PM   #4
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Just go somewhere else; also the rear camber is not adjustable.
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Old 08-06-2003, 01:11 PM   #5
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I haven't really looked but I think both front and rear camber aren't adjustable, unless you get upper pillows for both front and rear.
Just drop the car and hope the camber goes to that negative spec.
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Old 08-06-2003, 01:39 PM   #6
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front camber is adjustable.
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Old 08-06-2003, 01:49 PM   #7
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Front camber is adjustable by an eccentric (crash) bolt, rear camber isn't technically adjustable, but you could probably get a range of 2/10 or 3/10 degrees by pushing/pulling.

The dealer you're going to has an actual laser alignment rack? I've never seen that before...
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Old 08-06-2003, 02:31 PM   #8
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Whats new!!! !

Dealers can only set the car to whatever specs they specify from the factory. Not only that, but as long as the values are within the "range" they won't even touch it...and that "range" covers a lot of territory. Most alignment shops won't go out of factory spec either!

You have to call around!!

My alignment was even out of factory spec and I still didn't go to the dealer, cause I knew I'd just have to go to a shop afterwards to get my custom specs.
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Old 08-06-2003, 02:39 PM   #9
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We came to a quasi compromise. They agreed to adjust to the most "radical" allowed by the factory. Looks like that is -.75 on each side in front.....

Sometimes you really have to wonder.

Thanks everyone.

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Old 08-06-2003, 06:14 PM   #10
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Why not just go somewhere else if they won't do what you want?
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Old 08-06-2003, 06:27 PM   #11
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funny thing is that the "spec" is a range and the values you quoted are within that range .. take it some where else
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Old 08-06-2003, 09:28 PM   #12
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The dealer claimed that the allowable range, per their service manual was -.3 + or - .45...this being for the front of course. Thus they "allowed" me to have it set at -.75degrees. They would not fax me the page from the service manual so I could see it.

Anyway, I will see how this feels for now, and look for a better shop to help me out. We have limited resources in Vermont.

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Old 08-07-2003, 12:05 AM   #13
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There's a scan from the service manual for Impreza alignment specs.
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Old 08-07-2003, 12:07 AM   #14
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That's a scan from the owner's manual for Impreza alignment specs.
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Old 08-07-2003, 12:15 AM   #15
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Those were both MY04 documents, by the way.

The FSM gives rear camber as -0.67 degrees. The owner's manual gives rear camber as -1.67 degrees. Obviously one is a misprint... I would be inclined to say that the service manual is a misprint & that the owner's manual has the correct (intended) camber alignment spec.

Both sources give front camber as -0.5 degrees. Spec range is given as +/- 0.75 degrees.

So, your dealer should have no problem giving you -1.25 degrees front camber.
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Old 08-07-2003, 02:16 AM   #16
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The FSM gives rear camber as -0.67 degrees. The owner's manual gives rear camber as -1.67 degrees. Obviously one is a misprint... I would be inclined to say that the service manual is a misprint & that the owner's manual has the correct (intended) camber alignment spec.
I've eyeballed an sti's stock alignment, and I would guess it's the -.67 in the rear, not noticeably more than the front.

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