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Old 08-06-2003, 12:23 PM   #1
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Thumbs up So what was the deciding factor on STI vs Evo?

For me it was the 300 hp 300 torque and i also like the curvy looks of the sti compared to the EVO

i also thought the 2.5l compared to the 2.0l would have more tuning potential high end even though all the EVO kids hatin on the sti say it is "unproven" engine i think the sti will show em up



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Old 08-06-2003, 12:43 PM   #2
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Less punishing ride, and i'm used to my wrx's interior already
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Old 08-06-2003, 12:45 PM   #3
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The look (in and out), the power, cruise, familiarity, and potential for power with less sacrifice of lowend.

I must admit, in stock from I believe the Evo looks better and handles better, and the seats are to die for. But the looks are too "LOOK AT ME!!" I don't want that at all. The STi has the same "LOOK AT ME," but it is a bit ugly with the out-of-place looking hood scoop and wing. But I knew that I could make it look like a car I would love. With the scoop, wing, orange lenses, and stickers gone, it's a very nice looking sports sedan.

I'm not so sure about the STi haveing a better power potential anymore. The Evo boys are turning some nice numbers even on the stock turbo. Plus their computers aren't as freaky as the Subaru's.

Knowing everything that I know now, I still wouldn't change. If I didn't care so much about stealth looks, the Evo would be more appealing than it was before I bought an STi. I believe the Evo with its tight seats, excellent steering feedback, short steering rack, tight assured handling, FMIC, and 5sp box is better equipped for auto-cross.
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Old 08-06-2003, 12:52 PM   #4
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I like the looks of the STi better than the EVO inside and out. I always wanted a 6sp trans and I liked the idea of a larger engine with less boost. My other car is an Outback which I've had for three years and I've had no problems and it was great in the snow, so for me I had a good feeling the STi would be reliable. I liked the idea of having a front diff and DCCD. I also like other models of Subarus on the road, however I think besides the EVO the other Mitsubishi cars aren't that great. If the EVO was significantly better than the STi I would consider it despite everything, but even on the tests were the EVO beats the STi it's only by a few tenths of a second, and for me that isn't enough to overcome all the other things I dislike about the EVO. I will say this though, even though I love the STi I still think that the EVO is a super car, it's just not for me. STi vs. EVO is the same as Mustang vs. Camaro used to be. Either way you win.
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Old 08-06-2003, 02:20 PM   #5
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All of the above, plus:
  • Exhaust Sound. (Throaty baby!)
  • Interior quality. While not a Lexus, at least it's not a Lancer interior.
As for power potential, Car & Driver just released a huge comparo where the modded Evos didn't produce gobs of power. They did well, but power was pretty modest.

Unfortunately, no STi was tested.

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Old 08-06-2003, 02:55 PM   #6
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For me a large factor was the Subaru name. I have owned several Subarus before and they were extremely reliable and extememly safe (well engineered to survive a crash). Another large factor was all the new inovation going into the STI. I wanted to have the newer bigger engine, the DCCD etc...

Also, to me the STI looks 10 times classier than the EVO. The EVO is too boxy and doesn't look very sleek.
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Old 08-06-2003, 03:00 PM   #7
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Ummmm.......it's NOT a Mitsubishi!
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Old 08-06-2003, 03:02 PM   #8
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Ummmm.......it's NOT a Mitsubishi!

ROFL

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Old 08-06-2003, 04:26 PM   #9
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I'm still deciding... these are the factors *for me*.. I've test drove
both...

STi:
"shorter-throw-than-EVO" 6 speed
no reported clutch problem (yet)
2.5 liter (better power stock)
awesome gauges
BBS forged
front diff (not sure if I will really appreciate this)

EVO:
MUCH easier to find one at good price (in socal)
cheaper (more especially one at higher, another at lower than sticker)
bigger wheels to put on bigger tires for track
Recaros
Proven engine that already made to the 11's at drag strip
Better handler out of the box
no electronics
FMIC

I've test drove both... I like STi's shifter much better.. The EVO
with 2000 miles I drove shudders a bit when moving the car from
stop (already a sign of worn clutch??)...

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Old 08-06-2003, 04:41 PM   #10
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I bought an STi because:

1. My head touched the roof of the EVO.
2. DCCD + snow > AWD EVO.
3. Side impact air bags.
4. No dealer markups (in my area the EVO tag is still $34k-$36k).
5. Less boost = Less lag = Fewer neck braces
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Old 08-06-2003, 04:50 PM   #11
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Its a Subaru, and not a Mitsu. Then, the mag reports just reinforced what I wanted. More comfy daily driver + more performance = winner. 6spd, 3 lsd's, bigger displacement, and nicer interior sealed the deal.
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Old 08-06-2003, 05:00 PM   #12
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You're assuming that there was a decision to be made....
For me, it was "blue or silver?"
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Old 08-06-2003, 05:05 PM   #13
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Originally posted by JT-KGY
I'm still deciding... these are the factors *for me*.. I've test drove
both...

STi:
shorter throw than EVO 6 speed
You know the EVO has a 5 speed transmission, right?

In addition to the STi's great gauges, it has a really elegant option for add-on gauges: The pod that replaces the dash clock. You can get 3 52mm gauges in there. In the EVO, you have to stuff them in weird, out of the way places, like the A-Pillar (hard to re-focus on), lower console, etc.

See Photo Below.

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Old 08-06-2003, 05:09 PM   #14
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You know the EVO has a 5 speed transmission, right?
Yes.. I meant to say STi has a 6 speed that is also shorter
throw compare to EVO's 5.
It was smoother than EVO's too...

However... I kinda think maybe there was a problem with that
EVO... it was a dealer demo with more than 2k miles....
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Old 08-06-2003, 05:10 PM   #15
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I fretted over this for months, and on Friday I take delivery of my STi, and quite frankly I am still not sure I made the right choice, but I got sick and tired of going back and forth, and I knew both are really good cars. For me it came down to the following, in no particular order;


I really prefer the gauge cluster of the Subaru, the gauges in teh EVO were just awefull, and the thought of staring at them for hours at a time was a big turn-off for me. A big factor.

I really prefer the motor. Both are great, but for my taste, the sti was superior. I thought it more responsive to throttle changes. Also as someone who does not plan to modify the motor, I like the fact that it runs on a bit less boost. This was one of the biggest reasons to buy the car for me. It was smoother, stronger, and more responsive in my opinion.

I like the fact that I can change the rear deck with a normal WRX rear deack, and the car will look more normal. As a business person using to to go and see clients, it was important to be able to play the car off as less boy racer. I in no way find the sti a good looking car, and in fact very much prefer the EVO in this regard, but the car looks tooo aggressive, and I stand a chance of loosing credibility by driving up in it.

This one is silly, but the fact that it has crusie control means I dont have to monkey around trying to get one installed. To me it was far easier to deal with installing a stereo than it was cruise control. I can do the stereo install myself.

Lastly, living in Vermont means we have several Subaru dealers in the area, as apposed to just one Mitsubishi dealer. This had no impact on the price of the car, as it was being offered at MSRP in both cases, but when it comes to service it should be a bit easier.

Bigger fuel tank.

Things I overlooked on the Subaru;

The hideous gold colored Brembos...I loath gold, but as long as they work well I am willing to put up with it.

The horrible front seats. I plan on replacing with a set of Recaro Sports. I believe these are the exact seats in the EVO.

As I mentioned above, not crazy about the looks.

I think the overall handling on the EVO is better, however, the sti will be better for me on the frequent long distance drives I do.

Lastly, the DCCD was not a factor at all for me. I think it will basically be a fun toy that you end up not using that often. I appreciae that Subaru put it in the car, but I am not sure how much it will actually impact that feel of the car.

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Old 08-06-2003, 05:13 PM   #16
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regarding the EVO you drove. You may want to try another. In my experience I found the EVO 5 speed to be absolutely great. In particular the way the lever falls into each gear is very rifle-bolt like. By that I mean precise. The STI is a little less reassuring that you are in the right gear, but as you noted, the throws are shorter. A trade off.

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Old 08-06-2003, 05:50 PM   #17
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For me:

2.5L= more tuning potential, more low end torque, less turbo lag.
6-speed manual, more gears = more fun.
Cruise control, what can I say, I am lazy.
DCCD = rear bias power delivery = more fun to drive
Like the interior more. The EVO's interior is good in a different way, I just prefer the STi more.

Feature on the EVO that I wish the STi have are:

The Recaro seats, the sun roof, quicker steering, spark plugs access on the top of the engine, FMIC. That is it.

What can you do, life is never perfect.
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Old 08-06-2003, 05:55 PM   #18
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Boxter engine is always a plus
*sigh*

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Old 08-06-2003, 06:13 PM   #19
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*sigh*

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Old 08-06-2003, 06:19 PM   #20
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Sorry, I'll go back to enjoying my Boxter engine now

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Old 08-06-2003, 06:39 PM   #21
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For me... the EVO was more precise (or should I just less play)
but in the same time more notchy... STi has shorter throw and
very smooth...
I could do a very quick 1st to 2nd shifts on STi which I cant say
the same for EVO...


I know it's too late but if you hated the wing you could of get
it with the small wing on the EVO...

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regarding the EVO you drove. You may want to try another. In my experience I found the EVO 5 speed to be absolutely great. In particular the way the lever falls into each gear is very rifle-bolt like. By that I mean precise. The STI is a little less reassuring that you are in the right gear, but as you noted, the throws are shorter. A trade off.

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Old 08-06-2003, 07:56 PM   #22
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Pinging in stock form is definitely a turn off.
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Old 08-06-2003, 09:05 PM   #23
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Ummmm.......it's NOT a Mitsubishi!
I second that. The thought of an eclipse motor and the company that manufactures it, no thanks.
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Old 08-07-2003, 06:02 AM   #24
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boxter - not quite a porsche, not quite the horizontally opposed engine layout nomenclature.
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Old 08-07-2003, 08:55 AM   #25
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All of the above, plus:
  • Exhaust Sound. (Throaty baby!)
  • Interior quality. While not a Lexus, at least it's not a Lancer interior.
As for power potential, Car & Driver just released a huge comparo where the modded Evos didn't produce gobs of power. They did well, but power was pretty modest.
So, obviously, nobody is producing good power with an Evo.

Amazingly, people have pulled 116mph in the 1/4mi with the stock turbo on the Evo. That is not a state of tune you would want to road-race with, though. But Evos and STIs, when equipped with the right stuff, can perform double duty with different tunes for the road and 1/4mi track with minimal work. It is why I love turbocharged, AWD cars so much.
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