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Old 08-07-2003, 12:17 AM   #1
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Default Bad bearings at 1200mi

After all of the problems that I had with my 2000 RS I know the symptoms of bad wheel bearings
1. a whoop whoop whoop sound
2. heavy brake dust deposits on the wheels
3. When you grab the top of the tire and move it side to side you can feel play in the bearing....

My new STI has all three
the dealer says that Im nuts and the dust is the brake pads seating but I have worked on world challenge M3s and I didnt see this much dust after several laps at limerock...
Needless to say Im pissed, anyone elsehave this problem?
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Old 08-07-2003, 12:27 AM   #2
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After all of the problems that I had with my 2000 RS I know the symptoms of bad wheel bearings
1. a whoop whoop whoop sound
2. heavy brake dust deposits on the wheels
3. When you grab the top of the tire and move it side to side you can feel play in the bearing....
1. Could just be the very very noisy R compound level tires.
2. Could just be the brakes which will dust significantly.
3. Sure sounds like a wheel bearing issue though given #3.

Have you had the dealer physically look at it ?
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Old 08-07-2003, 01:08 AM   #3
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with only 230ml. on the clock I have heard the "whoop whoop whoop"but only on certain road surfaces.I havent hit the binders hard but there is brake dust.As for the wheel play mine are rock solid.
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Old 08-07-2003, 01:22 AM   #4
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Why don't you have the dealer check it out before you say you have bad bearings?
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Old 08-07-2003, 02:11 AM   #5
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I'm sure the deposits are brake dust. These pads shed it in a major way. Are you seeing it on all four wheels? What are the chances of four wheel bearings failing at the same time?

When do you hear the whoop whoop?
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Old 08-07-2003, 09:00 AM   #6
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Lots of brake dust here as well. I just clean the wheels a lot, I guess it is the price your have to pay for having one of the best set of brakes offered in a car this price.

As far as wheel bearings go, Ihad both front wheel bearings replaced at 1500 miles. The problem was noticed during my 300 mile drive home from the dealer. I initially thought that it may be a bad tire, but after swapping the spare on it was still there. They are the same bearing as the WRX so the dealer should have parts and tools in stock to take care of it. Hodges Subaru in Ferndale MI did both of mine and washed my car twice in an afternoon(Go Hondaslayer).

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Old 08-07-2003, 09:44 AM   #7
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The reason these pads dust so badly is that they are made by Jurid in Germany. The TUV (German DOT) requires graphite in the brake pads.


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Old 08-07-2003, 12:03 PM   #8
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The reason these pads dust so badly is that they are made by Jurid in Germany. The TUV (German DOT) requires graphite in the brake pads.


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Diddo, the STi break pads do produce a lot of dust. Nothing to worry about. Its normal
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Old 08-07-2003, 01:48 PM   #9
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Yeah, the brake dust is a pain, I'm constantly cleaning my wheels. I'm at 1000 mi, I don't hear any noises that you describe and there was no wheel play.
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Old 08-07-2003, 04:00 PM   #10
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As far as wheel bearings go, Ihad both front wheel bearings replaced at 1500 miles.

George
Wow, if STIffy had two wheel bearing replaced already, maybe RallyCSX really does have mulitple wheel bearing going out.

I cant imagine how wheel bearings could go bad so quick, unless they were bad from the start.

Maybe there really is another bad batch of wheel bearrings out there that were used on the STi's?
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Old 08-07-2003, 04:06 PM   #11
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What are the chances of four wheel bearings failing at the same time?
STIffy had both fronts replaced at 1500 miles. That really does leave the possibility some other bad bearrings were used in a "few" other STI's.

I would think a given bearing would have to be defective from the start to fail that quickly.

Hopefully its just some fluke that only happened to STIffy and looks likely RallyCSX as well.
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Old 08-07-2003, 04:19 PM   #12
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I know a few guys that picked up their STI's from the same dealership as mine(Beechmont Subaru of Cincinatti) and none of them have problems. One of my bearings was definitely bad probably from the get go. The other one was probably replaced because Hodges service department is proactive. They said that after replacing the passenger bearing they still heard alittle noise, so they replaced the other just in case.

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Old 08-07-2003, 04:20 PM   #13
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I know a few guys that picked up their STI's from the same dealership as mine(Beechmont Subaru of Cincinatti) and none of them have problems. One of my bearings was definitely bad probably from the get go. The other one was probably replaced because Hodges service department is proactive. They said that after replacing the passenger bearing they still heard alittle noise, so they replaced the other just in case.

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Interesting. Thanks for posting this info STIffy, I'm sure RallyCSX appreciates it even more.
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Old 08-07-2003, 07:27 PM   #14
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Confirmation,

The dealer confirmed that the front right wheel bearing is bad!
thanks STIffy, sounds like we had the same problem.
I am going to try and have at least both fronts replaced.

As far as the brake dust I understand that the brakes give off significant dust but mine was so bad that it was spread up the side of my car

Thanks for the responses!

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Old 08-07-2003, 08:43 PM   #15
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I have heard some noises in the front that sounded like bad bearings, but I thought "couldn't be.....maybe its the tires.....DCCD....". This makes me think more. I'll definitely get it on a lift this weekend and check it out but let me ask you guys who had this problem a quick question: Did either of you notice a strange vibration that started at 90 mph and disappeared around 100-105 mph? Definitely not the same vibration as the one you feel in the steering wheel when the tires are out of balance. Also, did you notice a slight grinding when going 5-10 mph and turning tight?
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Old 08-07-2003, 11:53 PM   #16
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Lots of brake dust here as well. I just clean the wheels a lot, I guess it is the price your have to pay for having one of the best set of brakes offered in a car this price.

As far as wheel bearings go, Ihad both front wheel bearings replaced at 1500 miles. The problem was noticed during my 300 mile drive home from the dealer. I initially thought that it may be a bad tire, but after swapping the spare on it was still there. They are the same bearing as the WRX so the dealer should have parts and tools in stock to take care of it. Hodges Subaru in Ferndale MI did both of mine and washed my car twice in an afternoon(Go Hondaslayer).

George


So what kinda exhaust did ya get? I see it almost everyday but I'm a loser and stay in the slow lane and hop-off at campbell hilton instead of woodward to avoid traffic So I can't get close enough to see (or hear for that matter!)


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Old 08-08-2003, 01:10 AM   #17
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Ben, I have an APEXi GT Spec catback right now. I also installed an APEXi intake(short ram style) with an APEXi aluminum induction box(A really trick looking heat shield). Soon I will have a downpipe with an O2 bung in so I can play a little on the dyno. I'm also working on my own molded gauge pod for my APEXi ELII gauges. I think that the DEFI pod is a little too Batman-like and the subaru pod is a bit boring.......

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Old 08-08-2003, 11:07 AM   #18
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SPool1536 -

Yeah, I hear a funny vibration right around 100 Mph. Thats how I know I'm going 100 Mph. (without looking that is) I'm not sure what it is, I keep thinking it's the wing in the rear, but I really have no Idea. It goes away after I'm over 100 Mph.

BTW: my wheels go "waap waap" also, but I'm pretty sure it's just the noisy tires.
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Old 08-16-2003, 12:31 AM   #19
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Hmmmm...so the tire noise I describe as a "wuh-wuh-wuh-wuh" oscillation-type noise (45 mph - 65 mph; it becomes much more like a high-pitched, bad shopping cart wheel noise at higher speeds) could be the bearings?

History - heard a "scrunchy" brake-like noise when applying brakes early on. Dealer replaced (defective) *hub*. 2nd trip, alignment screwy, dealer aligned (wheel now cocked to right, bottom seam to left, instead of vice-versa), varies depending on turns.

Wuh wuh wuh noise remains. I take it back a 3rd time, dealer finds nothing wrong, we take out another STi on the lot, it does it too, in fact worse. Service manager says this proves it's a characteristic of the car, since both do it. I'm not buying it, but what can I do? One wonders if the bearings weren't also defective (not just the hub). Sound seems to come from the same wheel. Service manager's solution? "Turn up the radio, ha ha".

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Old 08-16-2003, 12:14 PM   #20
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All STi's make the "wuh-wuh-wuh" sound. The tires are 140AA, you can expect anything this soft to make a lot of noise.
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Old 08-16-2003, 12:29 PM   #21
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Yeah, I hear a funny vibration right around 100 Mph. Thats how I know I'm going 100 Mph. (without looking that is) I'm not sure what it is, I keep thinking it's the wing in the rear, but I really have no Idea. It goes away after I'm over 100 Mph.

Mine does that too! It happens at exactly 100 mph. What the heck is that noise anyway?
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Old 08-16-2003, 12:42 PM   #22
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Mine does the same as well!!!! For some reason I didn't think that it did it when i first picked it up but it could be that I never went that fast. Wonder what it is?
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Old 08-16-2003, 05:52 PM   #23
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Mine sounds like it has a bad wheel bearing also.

It is prominant at lower speeds... 15mph +

I think I'm going to have it looked at soon, along with the alignment.
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Old 08-16-2003, 09:43 PM   #24
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Welcome to the world of crappy Subaru bearings.

I had my WRX in 3 different times for bearing failure. I've heard from more than one person that the grease Subaru uses to pack the bearings is horrible(read the project WRX article in this month of SCC).

I finally ended up buying the bearings myself, cleaning all the grease outta them, repacked them with the good stuff and have not had a problem since.
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