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Old 08-08-2003, 03:59 PM   #1
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Default AWD converison problem's gas tank and old tranny

I'm under going the swap and a few problems have come up. the first being I can't get my old tranny out everything is disconnected but its stuck on there and we can't get it to go the 2nd problem being the AWD gas tank has more hoses and I'm not sure where they all go also the fuel cut valve according to chiltion is broke I called subaru they said theres no such thing and they called it something else it sits on top of the gas tank and theres 2 of them my FWD tank doesn't have them so do I really need them>

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Old 08-08-2003, 10:47 PM   #2
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Have you disconnected the clutch fork? That seems to be a step people forget when their transmissions are stuck. Do a search and you should come across a couple threads about it.

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Old 08-09-2003, 01:16 AM   #3
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No need to disconnect clutch fork on a non turbo, but pushing the clutch might help to seperate the trans. I know those things you are talking about on top of your tank. I think they are one-way breathers or something. When i did my buddies fwd to awd swap we just left them vented to the atmosphere.
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Old 08-09-2003, 08:18 AM   #4
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Yeah, I had big time trouble when removing my engine. The pilot bolts never want to disconnect. Talk to Tim Sanderson for some ideas. We spent around an hour wiggling it till it came loose.


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Old 08-09-2003, 09:29 AM   #5
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I'm guessing your pulling the engine and the tranny? If so they can be removed as one unit from the top using an engine hoist. If they are both to be replaced then that should help things move along and then you can deal with seperating them later. Also you can use BFH to help it apart if your not concerned about damage.
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Old 08-09-2003, 03:11 PM   #6
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i hope those tubes are vent hoses that can be left alone. don't know. if not, when you called the dealer, you did inquire about the part for the donor car, not your existing model year right? my parts came from the same model year to avoid mismatch, but i did'nt swap tanks as you are.

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Old 08-10-2003, 12:10 AM   #7
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My engine and tranny were pretty much seized together as well. I had to drive a wedge (AKA screwdriver) between them to get them apart. I think the alignment pegs (or whatever their technical name is) had seized in the block and tranny. IIRC, one of them stayed in the tranny and one in the engine. Finally came apart after lots of pounding.

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Old 08-10-2003, 04:27 AM   #8
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another question arises do fwd gas tank straps work with the awd tank
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Old 08-10-2003, 08:20 PM   #9
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that's a tough one,
i'm going to be safe and guess no. probably not w/o modification.

i only say so because there are two sizes of awd fuel tank. the smaller one has a shorter strap on the shallow side of the saddle tank. the fwd is uniform rectangular w/ equal length straps no?

if a 15.9 gal awd tank w/ straps are the same length as the fwd, then maybe. sorry i could'nt be of more help.
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Old 08-10-2003, 10:25 PM   #10
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thats another thing I wanna know my awd gas tank doesnt look much larger than my stock one are there 13 gal awd tanks?
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Old 08-10-2003, 10:36 PM   #11
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The MY97 I has a 13 gallon gas tank. I think it was MY98 that it became 15.9 for my MY98 RS had the larger tank.
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Old 08-11-2003, 12:22 AM   #12
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My MY96 also has a 13.2 gal tank. Perhaps, the larger tanks showed up with the EJ25?

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Old 08-11-2003, 01:29 AM   #13
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the 15.9 gal has a near symmetrical look longitudinally.

josh beach posted a great pic of his, that i can't seem to find again. it was in one of those awd conv threads.

the 13.2 gal has a driver's side that is shallower. the driver's side does'nt hang as low as the passenger side.

if both sides are equally as deep on both sides of the prop shaft tunnel, then you have the 15.9. it's standard on 2.5L engines, wrx, and maybe most legacies?

some say that the 15.9 is on their 98 RS, but most spec sheets don't list it as standard until 99. just w/ like the phase I -II block replacement y' never know whats what w/ all the production changes.
hope this helps.
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hey man, the pics are in one of your old threads. the straps on josh's fwd tank look like the same size as those on my 13.2. if your awd looks like the one in the pic, you fwd tank straps won't fit.

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Old 08-11-2003, 11:41 AM   #14
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another question arises do fwd gas tank straps work with the awd tank
FWIW, mine did NOT. Also, regarding tank size... I'm not 100% sure on this, but I believe my old tank was the 13.X and my current one is 15.X. I know I've put 15+ in it a time or two. I'm about 75% certain the junkyard where I got those parts pulled them from a Legacy, so maybe that accounts for it?

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Old 08-11-2003, 10:05 PM   #15
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hmm,
maybe i'm misreading the question.

are you asking if the fwd straps will fit over the awd tank in terms of length and circumfurence?

or are you inquiring if the hardware from different style tanks & staps will bolt onto the car chassis?

ideally the straps from the donor cars tank should be included w/ the donor tank.

if you plan to use your original, stock straps over the new tank, i really can't tell for sure. just eyeballing it, it looks like the fwd tank is closer in shape (where the straps go) to the 13.2 gal tank. on the 15.9gal tank, both sides are equally as deep, where as on the fwd tank, the driver's side looks shallow, hence, probably a shorter strap. does that make sense?

i'll defer to josh on this, as i have the awd tank standard. he's actually done the swap, whereas i just got lucky on the tank part.

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Old 08-11-2003, 10:16 PM   #16
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See above edit...
Upon further reflection, I'm going to retract my previous statement. The FWD tank straps did not fit the AWD tank. It's been a while since I did this, and I had to mentally go over what was sitting on the pallet when I picked it up from the junkyard to realize the straps were still attached to the tank when I picked it up. I guess that's why I did not remember swapping them.

Jeez, 26 and my mind is already slipping. Now where did I put that Metamucil...
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Old 08-11-2003, 11:29 PM   #17
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well when I bought the swap the guy said complete swap with out front axles. when I got the stuff the shifter linkage was missing some bolts I needed were missing and my drive shalf at the end is square and the end of my diff its a circle I dont think that'll make a differece but I'm sure thos parts are from different cars the gas tank straps were missning soo I was hoping to use my old one my guess is the gas tank I have is a 13 gal and I'm still a little confused if my straps would work because from what I am reading the fwd straps dont fit the 15.9 gal tank but the 13 gal is unknow still? or a maybe? btw i need a complete shifter linkage unsure about what shifter linkage from what car would work I need the stick and all the rods that come wiht it so what do I do?
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Old 08-12-2003, 05:55 AM   #18
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I noticed the wiring for the gas tank is different I wanan know how people who've done the swap wired up the gasw tank also if it iisn't that much of a hassle I'd like to get some phone number's of people who've done the swap so I can get some questions answered theres lots of stuff that keeps on poping up that noe one has old me about when I was researching this

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Old 08-12-2003, 06:51 AM   #19
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first the drive shaft square and diff circle are normal. thats how the donor car i pulled from was stock. the circle plate is bigger i think. the square fits inside the circumfurence?

straps:
if you have a 15.9 gal awd tank, both sides on each side of the tunnel will look equally as deep. maybe another long side strap from a fwd tank will wrap around the 15.9 awd tank. if the awd tank has one side less deep than the other, then you have a 13.2, and the fwd straps may work. untested.

shift linkage:
any awd linkage should work, sti short shift kits work too & they are the same for wrx 5spd as impreza awd 5spd. the only part that's different on an ss from the stocker is the lever. many who swap in a ss kit from the dealer may have one of these lying around. note that they are sold w/ out hardware. you're expected to reuse the stock hardware, but since you're swapping you may not have the hardware that connects the linkage to the shifting stub that sticks out of the tranny. (part that actuates the forks) if worse comes to worse i have an sti ss kit that i may not use, but i did'nt get a fantastic deal on it, so i'm loathe to let it go. try the local dealer for take-offs. the stock linkage that was removed from original equipment when the ss was installed. chances are they won't know how useful the take-off is. w/ a separate lever, you can transform it into a short shift kit. (see kartboy)

fuel tank:
are you talking about the pump/fuel sending unit up top? i never did this.

Josh?

is there anyway to remove the electrical parts of the fwd and transplant them into the awd tank mechanicals? that would keep the swap limited to mechanical (brawn) and avoid any electrical (brains). see phillps screws atop the two domes.


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Old 08-12-2003, 03:34 PM   #20
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see I was thinking of that but the fuel sensor is on the other side for a reason would my gas gauge be all messed up if I swapped the fuel pump what have other people who did the swap do?

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Regarding the gas gauge... Well, I didn't have the right wiring harness with my tank. I did some experimenting with the sender and wiring it up a couple of different ways. My gauge is messed up to this day. Half a tank on gauge equals EMPTY. I have no idea how to wire it correctly. Sorry.

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was that the awd pump or the fwd pump?
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from what i've read, the fuel reading unit is double redundant on legacies, so on both sides? same for imprezas?

i found this, trying to address my wonky gauge.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=177831

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Su...=Google+Search

does this offer any ideas?
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was that the awd pump or the fwd pump?
I don't remember... I think it was the AWD gauge.
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alright heres a update we threw on the awd gas tank we used the old straps witch worked the driver side one was to short
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