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Old 08-08-2003, 09:07 PM   #1
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Default What are some good all season tires?

I've been reading that some people don't feel safe in the rain with the STi and i'm sure it won't be too great in the snow either. I just wanna know what are some good all season tires that has good performance and good tread life and all. Maybe the BFGoodrich g-force KDWS? Any suggestions or opinions about what to get or what not to get would be appreciated
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Old 08-08-2003, 09:48 PM   #2
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Michelin Pilot Sport A/S
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Old 08-08-2003, 11:55 PM   #3
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I've had the KDWS...they are nice and great treadwear. I've also had Sumitomo HTR+ and they are probably IMO the best all season performance value out there
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Old 08-08-2003, 11:58 PM   #4
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How about the Continental ContiExtreme Contacts. Very highly rated in Tirerack's owners survey. I picked up a set for my STi but they won't go on until late September.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/uhpas.jsp



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Old 08-09-2003, 12:34 AM   #5
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I have Bridgestone Potenza RE950s on my Jetta and WRX, they are great in the rain. Don't know about snow. They were the Tire Rack favorite when I got them.

As for gossip about tires I have no experience with (so feel free to ignore the following):

I was seriously tempted by the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S, but I've heard they wear pretty fast.

Last I checked the Continental ContiExtreme Contacts were doing well on TireRack, but the number of miles reported was a fraction of the other tires, so the numbers probably aren't as reliable. I've heard good things about them in the snow (and I doubt the RE950s are all that great in snow) but I've also heard the sidewalls are disappointingly soft.

Don't believe me, read the individual reviews on Tire Rack (in addition to just looking at the overall numbers).
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Old 08-09-2003, 10:25 AM   #6
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If you're looking for a long-life all season that has some real snow capability, check out Nokian NRW or WR series. They were one of the first "all-seasons" to meet the new winter-tire ratings.

A friend has them on his blazer and they are great. I have the Nokian Qs (dedicated winter tire) on my wagon and I like them a lot. I don't think they have MORE traction than my previous Yoko GuardX 600s, but they are much less squishy, and feel a lot firmer on dry pavement, where as most winter tires feel like crap on pavement.
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Old 08-09-2003, 11:11 AM   #7
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Michelin Pilot Sport A/S
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Old 08-09-2003, 11:18 AM   #8
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I agree with Mr. Grinch. I'm getting V-rated Nokian WRs as my winter tire. That way, I don't have to compromise performance too much when the roads are clear but I also get top notch snow and ice traction. I have Hakka Qs on another vehicle and they're great in the snow but definitely not a year round choice. IMHO, Nokian makes the best winter tires available. They're strong, wear well, and have great traction. Once you try Nokians, you usually don't switch to another brand.
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Old 08-09-2003, 11:36 AM   #9
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I second the Sumitomo HTR+
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Old 08-09-2003, 11:58 AM   #10
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I had great results with the Sumi HTR+ on my WRX last winter. I'll probably be getting a set for the Sti. There's also the P Zero M&S, which gets a slightly higher rating on the tirerack website, but the Sumis are $85/tire and the Pirellis $125/tire. I'm not sure if the Pirellis are $40/tire better.
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Old 08-09-2003, 01:54 PM   #11
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I've had goexperiences with BFGoodrich g-force KDWS's on my RS. They had good grip in all conditions. )dry, wet, snow.
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Old 08-09-2003, 03:49 PM   #12
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I agree with Mr. Grinch. I'm getting V-rated Nokian WRs as my winter tire. That way, I don't have to compromise performance too much when the roads are clear but I also get top notch snow and ice traction. I have Hakka Qs on another vehicle and they're great in the snow but definitely not a year round choice. IMHO, Nokian makes the best winter tires available. They're strong, wear well, and have great traction. Once you try Nokians, you usually don't switch to another brand.
I think the STi with the Nokian studded tires would be a heck of a lot of fun in the snow for those people willing to buy a second set of wheels and tires.
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Old 08-09-2003, 10:01 PM   #13
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I think the STi with the Nokian studded tires would be a heck of a lot of fun in the snow for those people willing to buy a second set of wheels and tires.
This is by far the best solution, tho depending on where you live the studs may be overkill. The all season tires will really compromise the handling of the car in both summer and winter. You'll be far happier in the long run with another set of wheels & tires.

They don't take much room to store and the snows will be way better if you get a fair amount of white stuff. One way to think about the cost is how much is your insurance deductible? One accident might very well pay for at least the tires. And by having the extra set of wheels, you don't have to screw around with mounting/dismounting with everyone else the first time the snow flies.


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Old 08-09-2003, 11:08 PM   #14
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I think the STi with the Nokian studded tires would be a heck of a lot of fun in the snow for those people willing to buy a second set of wheels and tires.
Studded tires are illegal for onroad/highway use in most of the United States.

I remember back in the day though ('70's) when you could run those anywhere and like magic even my grandmothers Ford LTD would cut through snow like a hot knife through butter, and stop on a dime.

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Old 08-09-2003, 11:24 PM   #15
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The Dunlop SP SPORT 5000's are a really nice high performance all season, you could go the cheaper route and get Sumitomo HTR+ high performance all seasons, but I think the treadwear rating may be lower than the Dunlops, but still a fantastic tire.
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Old 08-10-2003, 01:29 AM   #16
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Studded tires are illegal for onroad/highway use in most of the United States.

I remember back in the day though ('70's) when you could run those anywhere and like magic even my grandmothers Ford LTD would cut through snow like a hot knife through butter, and stop on a dime.

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Studded tire use is unrestricted in Saskatchewan and Alberta (where I am). The other provinces can use them during the winter months, with the exception of Ontiario, where they are banned.

Currently there is some movement in Ontario to re-visit the ban, which is based on 30yr old data from 69 to 72, on older, heavier cars and old tire and stud technology. Some european countries have sinced dropped bans on studded tires after testing modern cars with modern tires and studs, and finding that road wear was nowhere near the levels reported in the data from 30 years ago.

My next set of winter tires will have studs. I had them on an 83 chevette and that vehicle was surprisingly fun to drive in deep snow with those tires.

In the mean time I use studless winter tires and carry a set of chains. They saved my butt more than once in the mountains around here. A 2WD with chains or even cables is better than AWD / 4WD on all-seasons, esp in deep snow. You can only drive about 30mph with them but it's better than being stuck. It's best if you can avoid driving in those conditions but sometimes you don't have much choice.
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I had them on an 83 chevette and that vehicle was surprisingly fun to drive in deep snow with those tires.
I too had an '83 Chevette!!!

It was a two door model with a 4 spd. manual and no A/C.
That car was a tank. I rolled it once (nothing ever happened other than breaking off the sideview mirror), it had been hit four times (totalled by insurance each time) and still it drove reliably for a decade until my parents sold it to a junkyard as I'd already had two other cars.

That car was a blast to drive in snow/ice just on the all-season radials that I used to run (Goodyear Corsa GT). They don't make cheap transportation like those anymore. I think it was selling for $6,995 new back in the day and my parents picked it up used for $3K. A great buy/car.

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Old 08-11-2003, 04:13 PM   #18
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The Dunlop SP SPORT 5000's are a really nice high performance all season
2nd vote for Dunlop 5000's. I love 'em for all season tires. Not as good in the snow as a snow tire (duh...), but still safe. Still enough dry traction to drive spiritedly.
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Old 08-11-2003, 05:10 PM   #19
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I too had an '83 Chevette!!!

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For the price, they were not bad. A little bit more than a Lada but a hell of a lot more reliable. I got 13 years and about 240,000 km out of the 4 door auto, handed down from my mother. Probably would have kept going except for a hit-and-run by some drunk dudes in an Ford F150, severe front end damage to the chevette, I couldn't even follow him to catch the plate number. My studded tires were worth more than the rest of the car.

They had some weak spots; brakes, alternator, timing belt, sometimes hard to start in extreme cold. But that 1.6L 90hp engine really kept going with regular oil changes, and the auto trans seemed reliable too. Where do you get an econo box with RWD these days? I remember the engine and front end steering were also used in the Fiero. The steering was very responsive, not "dead" at all.

Best part was the hatch, you'd never believe how much you could cram in them. 4x8 plywood? no prob. 2 full sized bikes? no prob. That explains my addiction for hatchbacks / wagons to this date. The sheet metal was pretty heavy too compared to modern imports. At one point I repainted it in a friend's garage.. we repainted a few "project" cars every summer. It came out OK too, acrylic enamels were pretty "low tech" compared to the laquers used today.

At one point GM sold more Chevettes than they had any other car model in history. Not sure if it still holds that record.
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Yep...I recall that sales record as being fact.
The Chevette was a great car for its time!

My mom made my dad sell it to me for $1.00 when I was a HS senior.
The only thing I ever had a problem with on that car was the alternator failing and I burned out the stock clutch at 150K miles.
I replaced both myself on a weekend (very easy to do) with just a few tools and a borrowed lift from shop class.

Those were the days.

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