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Old 08-14-2003, 10:55 PM   #1
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First of all ,..for all the Porsche owners who also have Suburu's,.. read this and try to understand before you become arsonist...'......
(as in before you flame me)

When my Porsche was a street car, it weighed 2850 lbs, and had around 320hp (345tq) @ the wheels,.so it was no slouch. Yet, all the 911 owners with the pink Izod sweaters rolled over their shoulders would drive by and just kinda' turn their noses up, at a 944 turbo. YET the reality was,..bring it on, I got something for ya'.... Same kinda thing when you do a Porsche club event/ race weekend. you've got the wealthy guys that show up with a 350k transporter and 8 guys crewing, and matching Polo shirts with bright embroidery, with the team name. then these guys go out and they suck,....you see 'em on the track, you pass them, and they still turn their noses up,................this is still the same,...in the Porsche club. (PCA)

SUBARU people are a whole different breed. First of all,...I started a thread on the,...OTHER Subaru internet forum(iclub) that talked about WRX owners being snobby,.......mind you back then, I was driving a 2.5 RS with 18's and a complete Borla exhaust. I really used to get ticked with this type of , .."I'm better than you" attitude that I used to feel everytime I would wave at a WRX.

OK,..here's might point(1000words later),..Since I have had the STI,..keep in mind I had a 2003 vlue WRX for 9 months, while waiting for the STI( MRS 944 turbo sells Subarus' ) and the whole time I had the 2003 WRX, I waved at every Subaru owner on the freakin' road I mean I even helped change a flat on some old ladies crusty 1986 who knows what kinda' Subaru it was,..but guess what?..it was a Subaru,..it didnt matter,..we both had something in common,...I have also noticed more 2.5 RS owners waving also .You should have the old ladies face,.........(harp sound and black and white film to depict old memory)........

..It was a cold and lonely December night,..a slight mist fell from the winter sky, on the most secluded part of a Montgomery county back road,.... you've just stopped to investigate a noise, while hoping that your suspision of a blown tire are'nt true. As you exit your 86 GL,..you notice a blue blurr, followed by red streaks,..."oh great " you think, as it could be a kind stranger,..."
As the scary sillouette of a 6.3in , 250 lb frame come into focus,..the warm smile of a fellow Subaru owner bring joy to your heart, as he is here to save the day,...

Never before had this feeling of comaraderie felt so good to Ester Higgins,..as she too will re-examine her opinion of youth in cars with big wings and loud exhuast.

POINT HERE IS,......do you think a pink Izod wearing PCA member would have stopped?...well we cant really say,..but 1+1 eqauls 2 in my book,..and I'm not stupid.

I like this whole Subaru community thing that exist,.out there on the road and on the Forum,..when I go to meets,everyone is freindly and talks about mods and who sells it,...not just a bunch of over paid, cotton sweater wearing guys with wife's named Muffy. ( granted that is a plaid out stereo type ,..BUT it works good !!)

SO I say to my fellow Subaru brotherin',.......

WAZZUP---

signed,..normally very serious,..

944 turbo guy

ps/ some guy in a Outback wagon was weaving through traffic this morning, caught up to me and ..........gave me a thumbs up.
I was like,........"wow" And you could tell by the look on his face,..he felt good to catch up....and get that off his chest.
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Old 08-14-2003, 11:19 PM   #2
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Default Re: STI owners vs Porsche owners,....

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Originally posted by 944 turbo guy
SO I say to my fellow Subaru brotherin',.......

WAZZUP---

signed,..normally very serious,..

944 turbo guy

OKAY ! That's IT ! You're cutoff. Barkeep, no more tequila for this guy!

Strangely enough, "feelin the love" may extend beyond fellow Subaru drivers. My first trip to work in my JBP/gold STI, the proud owner of a shiny new yeloow EVO pulled up next to me at a light, tooted his horn and gave a thumbs up.

I've never seen him (or any other EVO) again.

I sometimes toot my horn at fellow Subie drivers. What's wrong with us?
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Old 08-14-2003, 11:22 PM   #3
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Yesterday at around lunch time, I saw a white STI near the airpark in Monty County. I was not in my STI at the time.

That wasn't you, was it?

I also saw a blue one momens later. Damn, it's rainin STIs all of a sudden.
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Old 08-14-2003, 11:41 PM   #4
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Most of the time I am so focused on the road and my own car I rarely pay attention to makes and models of passing cars or the people in them . I drove past my own wife at least 6 times last year and didnít wave. Somethingís you just cant take things personally.
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Old 08-15-2003, 12:16 AM   #5
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I definitely enjoy seeing other subaru owners on the road. A good solid wave or a thumbs up will make anybodies day a whole lot better. Unless your in an STi because then the happiness for the day is pretty much maxed out.
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Old 08-15-2003, 12:18 AM   #6
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I just finished off three glasses of cheap Zinfandel (a gift) so I'm feeling a bit exuberant and am going to jump in on 944's thread to add my own $.10...

I've owned five Subies over the last 11.5 years and still own my first which was the first car I ever bought new. I have been espousing the 'magic' of Subaru since 1986 (10th grade!) after going to work for a large local dealer of Subie's as a 'Porter'.
I've _always_ had at least one Subie in my driveway since buying my first, a '93 MY Legacy AWD 4EAT, which has saved my bacon at least twelve times not to mention that of countless other folks I've helped or given rides to in the dead of winter when no one but the Natl. Guard was on the road (Blizzards of '93 & 97!).

IRL I'm a super careful driver that does not street race and usually is right lane riding as I'm rarely in a rush to get anywhere. My only real sinful indulgence is a quick 1-3 shift to 45-55 mph or 5-4 downshift with gas blip to pass then I cool my heels while on local roads. Otherwise I stick to back roads & unpopulated areas to have real fun.

I've had my STi for 4 weeks now coming Saturday and yet every WRX owner I pass flat ignores me. I even beeped at a few and they just looked at me like I was Jeffrey Dahmer or the retarded cousin who keeps wanting to play Uno at family events. I even park next to Subie owners when I'm out (otherwise I'm at the far end of the parking lot) just to 'represent'.
But for the most part the only thumbs up or commentary I've gotten was from a bunch of kids in a Caravan (weaving in traffic hooting & hollering at me) and a bunch of cool college kids at my neighborhood gas station. They were visibly drooling...so I let them sit inside and play around with the shifter as I showed one of them the under hood mechanicals. They all ooh'd and ahh'd at the gauge bootup which I must have repated at least five times to their amazement & joy.

Otherwise, folks just flash me (if I forget to turn my beams down from the zero setting) or simply roll their eyes. I expected as much though going in. I don't look like a teen anymore.

It's all good though. During the winters I ride around in my Legacy armed with Blizzaks, a full tank of gas, traction aids, a shovel and a snatch strap to help pull my neighbors out of snowbanks & ice patches. You wouldn't believe how many SUV owners I've saved through the years and they all are amazed by the power of Subie AWD in a 11 year old beater!
Who says you need big tires and a high Cg to make it through snow & ice. Give me a Subie, a full tank of gas & skills and I'll drive you through the worst storm no matter how bad the roads
might seem.

In a past life I've been to many a PCA meeting and worked in support of more Porsche owners than I care to remember. I can count on three fingers though how many of them were real & regular people. I remember each one of them distinctly by name, car and their job. The rest by and large were jerks, to put it kindly.

I used to love Porsche's back when I couldn't afford one, had 911 & 944 posters hung in my room, drooled over 928's and I was driving home in a Chevette and taking dates out in the parts van! Now here it is a decade later and I have the coin to get any current model Porsche I desire and I'm not interested in the least. Why?
Becuase last Spring when Mrs. Janq and I went to visit VOB in Vienna to eyeball the Audi 'AllRoad' to replace our Volvo (we were both prepared to buy & my wife had our checkbook) and I was standing around eyeing a yellow Turbo they had centered on their floor no salesperson would acknowledge that I so much as existed on their floor. Worst, they ran around me to greet the Jordan's, Brent's and Breckin's who walked in seemingly fresh from Nordstroms & Donna Karan in their matching Burberry field jackets. Just then it all came back to me of how 'those people' are and I remembered how loathesome they were. Just then Mrs. Janq said; "Honey, I don't like it here. I can't imagine coming here to get the car serviced and I'd be embarassed to own one of these things.".

So on that note we left without as much as a 'Come back soon' and jumped back in my outwardly worn but in mechanically good condition and paid for Legacy then drove over to where the regular folks live & thrive. I went straight to Fairfax Honda and picked out with Mrs. Janq a Honda Pilot to replace her totalled Volvo. Later I got an STi to quench my need for speed and to continue the tradition of satisfied Subaru ownership. My neighbor across the street drives a Boxster that is garaged 90% of the year. My next door neighbor drives a '98 drophead Jag that daddy left her for the summers. They both roll their eyes at the STi in my driveway and the dirty blue (formerly Phoenician Blue) Legacy parked out front of my house. Every Saturday mornign as I pack up my gear in the Legacy for paintball, biking, kayaking or whatever the heck I'm in the mood for I see the neighbor people either working at unsticking their tops (Jag) or waxing their sheetmetal (PRC) only to park it back in the garage for another month or four.

Long live Subaru, inexpesive and built to stay that way!

- Janq

P.S. - If this post didn't make a lick of sense, then please excuse as I'm buzzing hard right now and know not what I say.
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Old 08-15-2003, 12:32 AM   #7
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I get lots of good responses from other Subaru owners, I feel sorry for the guys who almost snap their necks when they see the car going the other way.

I get all kind of people commenting on the car as I drive down the road. It has gotten to the point that I only will look over if I know another Subaru owner is next to me. And, they are every where. I see probly 5-7 WRX a day and 6-9 other Subarus.

We do stick together almost as go as the VW guy in Houston. There are some true VW nuts in this town. ie.. zerin Dube, sorry man had to out you, but everyone I know with a VW knows you.
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Old 08-15-2003, 01:19 AM   #8
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Janq, 944. . . I totally see where you two are coming from.


When I dropped that I was looking for a new car, I kept getting "Buy an M3" or "Buy a 5 Series". Not that I wouldn't mind driving either one of those BMWs . . . I could afford either one. But some of the things I think of when I see them just kind of bother me.

1. Although there are MANY exceptions, my general perception of BMW owners is that they feel like elitists. I have met many of them, and know several personally. While I tend NOT to associate with people who share that outlook, the owners I know seem well-rooted to the ground. But ask the average person what they think of most BMW owners, and I think you'll know what I'm referring to.

2. I do not wish to be viewed in this manner by strangers. . . or worse yet, people I know or are related to. My younger brother just bought a slightly used 540, and the first thing my father said was "Jesus! What's wrong with that kid?" Granted, my father is a bit more on the practical side when it comes to cars, he pretty much echoed what I feared most. He's not without his taste for some luxury. . . . he's owned many a Cadillac in his 70 years. But certain cars simply exude an "iffy" response from the vast majority of passers-by.

Take the WRX. . . in any form. Pretty stylish, reasonably practical, safe, capable, and certainly not something you'd expect to see immature teens bragging about all the time because of how "cool" they would be rolling one. (Not so much a teen icon as other cars.) But then, most all Subarus are known for their AWD sure-footedness and safety and reliability. The STi I believe being the exception to the "low-key" rule.

When told, my father asked me what I was looking at. I told him "A Subaru". He nodded, and suggested it was a noteworthy choice. My last few cars were: 2002 Civic coupe, 1990 Prelude Si, 1998 Lumina sedan, 1991 Corolla sedan . . . you get the picture. Some sporty, mostly quite reliable and practical. Now I had been looking at many other rides . . . but the STi just fits me. I'm outgoing, helpful, quite useful with my hands, etc. . . . and for some reason I keep coming back to the Subarus. Why is that? Perhaps I feel "at home" when I think of myself behind the wheel of one.

I know this is becoming long-winded, and I apologize. . . but let's just think of what is probably the most fanatical, yet smile-inducing and friendly vehicle on the road in America. The Jeep. Ask most Jeep owners who drive a Wrangler or CJ, etc. . . . and they'll tell you the comraderie is unparalleled. They wave to each other when they drive by, they almost always help each other out when one's stuck or broken-down . . .and they're some of the most friendly people around. Why? Simple. "It's a Jeep thing." That phrase says it all.

While the Subarus are no strangers to extensive modifications, the Jeep lifestyle (and yes, that is the most accurate way to describe it) is something all its own. They speak of the personality of the owner. Do Subarus say that about their owners? I would tend to think so. Most people who buy Subbies know about the fact they have AWD, and are quite dependable. There are faster, larger, sportier and more luxurious cars on the road. . . but why do people buy a Subaru? Simple. There is nothing else like it. I think for that reason many Subbie owners see each other as family of sorts. All thinking along a somewhat common train of thought.

There are other cars that induce similar feelings. . . but the Subaru feeling (like the Jeep feeling) is one all its own. . .and the owners know it. You all have no idea how excited I am to be buying an STi in the next several weeks. I can't wait to get behind the wheel, drive it down the street, and have complete strangers. . .in Subarus or not . . . start smiling and wave at me.
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Old 08-15-2003, 01:44 AM   #9
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Not to insult any Porche guys here, but this thread reminds me of that joke:

Whats the difference between a porcupine and a Porche? (if you can't figure it out i don't really wanna say )

However, i've noticed the reverse of the pattern lately. I've been thumbs-upped by a bunch of 911's turbos, and some boxsters. One guy in an E55 even gave me a thumbs up.

On the other hand, i've seen quite a few imprezas, and one was going so fast that he just blew right by me, probably doing 110+ on 280
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Old 08-15-2003, 08:43 AM   #10
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I have some experience working on and owning Porsche's but here's my favorite Porsche story that pretty much sums it up.

I had just gotten T-boned by someone who ran a stop sign, and was looking for a daily driver to replace it. There was a red 944 at a nearby Porsche repair shop that I knew about because I had driven by it many times in the 6 months it had been sitting there. I pulled into the lot, parked next to it, and walked around the corner to the garage side where I believe it was the owner I ended up talking to. For a bit of background, I was 24 at the time, and I do look a bit young for my age. The conversation went something like this:

Me: I'm looking for some info on the red 944 out front
Owner: It's a 1987, has 79k miles on it, is $7500, and you can't take it for a test drive.
Me: What's the history of the car? Has it been in any accidents, how is it mechanically?
Owner: It's in perfect shape, and you can't take it for a test drive until you come in here with some money. We ket kids in here all the time that want to take Porsches for a test drive just to say they've driven a Porsche. [keep in mind, this is a 2.5L NA 944]

At this pont, I noticed a discouraged reaction by the other two mechanics in the garage.

Me: Has the water pump been replaced in it? [common problem in the 944]
Owner: We need a $500 deposit on the car before you can take it for a test drive.

At this point I walked off, and the two mechanics were quite angered, as they had probably seen me pull into the parking lot...in my track car at the time, a red 1985 Porsche 944. As I left, I waved to the owner when I drove by the garage. I would have loved to hear the conversation in the garage for the rest of the day.

I ended up buying another 944 that was my daily driver until I traded it in for my current 99 2.5 RS. The 944 is a car I would have killed for when I was 10, and I still think it's a great car, but I am much happier dealing with the personality of a car than many of the Porsche owners I have met.
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Old 08-15-2003, 09:02 AM   #11
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I always seem to get excited whenever I see another Subaru driving down the road. It doesn't seem to matter which model (the other day I saw a Brat and it had me smiling for the rest of the day). If I can catch the eye of the other driver I'll wave, and usually I'll get a wave or a smile back if I'm in my wife's car ('01 Outback), but for some reason they look at me like I'm some nut when I'm driving my car ('97 Saturn). Perhaps that will change when I get my own Subby.
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Old 08-15-2003, 09:42 AM   #12
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Let me jump in on this Porsche thing...when I was stationed in Corpus Christi, TX-Naval Flight School- I was driving a 1996 Z28 SS...this was 1997. I had been to a few FATTs at summit point and I really loved it. So I find the local Porsche Club. When I show up to one of their track events, they embrace me and my camaro as if I was a long lost son. These are guys with 930's and one 1972 RS, at the time I just thought it was an old Porsche. They helped me with technique, gave me nitrogen for my tires, and were happy to see me kick 911 but in my camaro. For over year I played with these guys...then I moved to San Diego.
Now in San Diego I am ready to go drive with the Porsche club again...I go to Qualcomm stadium and find the lot they are using. When I drive up to the gate, the guy sitting there says' "Can I help you?" So I tell him I am here to run with them. He looks at me and says I think you want to the SCCA club, they will be here next week.
So what do I do? I take weekend trips back to Corpus and the locals let me drive there cars.

OK I will tie this in with Subaru's...one of the guys in Corpus got a 2.5 RS when they first came out...I thought, it looks like a WRX but why is it so slow?
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Old 08-15-2003, 09:50 AM   #13
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I was sitting in a restaurant watching my STi in the parking lot (2 days after I bought it), and a guy pulled off the road in a beautiful white 2.5 RS to look. I was eating at the time, otherwise I would have gone out to let him check it out. I have seen many WRX owners do all kinds of stuff when they see it. One wagon had four young guys hanging out the windows giving "I love it" hand gestures as they passed through an intersection. And I have had guys in F150s think it is pure rice and try to out pull it from a stop light trying to cut me off. To each his own, I guess. For the most part, the outback and forester folks don't seem to notice it much. Of course Colorado is one of the biggest subie markets, so they are all over the place. Overal reactions from everyone else seem to either be puzzlement or indifference. No downright hostility at all.

When I was in high school, my brother had a Porsche 914. Now I know the 911 guys may not acknowledge the 944s, but try driving a 914 anywhere near other Porsches and they get hostile. The "boxy VW" as they liked to call it seemed to conjure disgust from almost all Porsche owners (except for a few 924 owners who seemed to be in the same boat). The car was amazing to drive. Yeah it lacked power, but it could out-handle almost anything on the road. I liked the black sheep reaction the car received, because I never really cared to belong to a Porsche club. My brother, however, was seemingly more interested in the name than the car. It is just a personality type. I have another friend who bought an S2000, but drives all of the time 5-10 mph below the speed limit. He doesn't go to the track, and probably never exceeds 5000 rpm. To him, a car is an accessory to his personality (and due to the general lack of character, a large chunk of it). When I remember those hostile Porsche owners, I think of my sexually frustrated friend in the S2000, and take pity on them. If you think a car is what you need to make you whole, then you have a lot bigger problem than what car to buy.
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Like the STi that reved at me at a light (after I waved) and proceeded to cut off 3 people chasing a late 80's acura through traffic?

The publicity of the Impreza is killing the goodness of the community, sadly. It happens at all levels. I was driving to my friends house in my RS and some impreza L w/ no exhaust comes flying by trying to get a race on and being obnoxious weaving around.

Seriously, I've tracked down 2.5RS owners (pre-wrx days) and they were always willing to talk to me back when I only had a purple stock impreza L.

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Old 08-15-2003, 01:49 PM   #15
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Because of the exchange rate here in Canada, STi's are few and far between. WRXs are still considered an expensive car ($40,000). I have met two owners so far. One was on the street and he was so cool. He was in his 50s and tried to catch up to me in my 2002 WRX just to wave.... damn what a nice car. I met the next guy 20 minutes later at a Subaru meet and he was more of a Porsche owner than a Subaru owner. After trying to talk to him for about a minute I left so angred by him that it was all I could do not to knock him out (he was in his 40s BTW). The rest of the time most Subaru owners wave and drool over any nice Impreza... I do!
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Old 08-15-2003, 02:39 PM   #16
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I sold my 99 Boxster to get a WRX and then upgraded to the STI when I heard it was coming to the US.

I had 911 owners turn their noses at me once they saw me pass(in my Boxster)..I guess this was so much an issue that Porsche changed the 911 front-end so these drivers could avert their eyes at first glance prior to passing. ..But I digress..

There seems to be a lot of stereotyping going on in this thread. Face it -some folks are dicks (regardless of what they drive) and others are cool, car-fanatics that understand that its not the logo or name on the car but whats inside... Jesus I sound like an after-school special..

Listen, if they dont wave when you pass then boo hoo. Suck it up. If you get crappy service when maiking a major purchase then take your money elsewhere (go Janq!) and live your life and enjoy your ride.

Or better yet you can embarrass them on the street/track. Like me http://www.wrxfanatics.com/index.php...T&f=23&t=3693&
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Old 08-15-2003, 02:51 PM   #17
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Skieman,

Great story about testing the Testa and the Geezer!

I wish I had the nerve/balls to do such stuff.
I'd never hear the end of it from Mrs. Janq not to mention that the Toll Road is infested with cops & radar traps like ants at a picnic.

BTW, beware radar monitoring from the RT. 666 overpass just prior to the old 'FedCenter' bldg. and State Police units hidden in the trees in the mid section for airport traffic only. Last weekend they were having a field day out there on the east bound and center lane areas.

Good times!

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Although regrettably Mrs. Janq is not a car gal she is in absolute love with her Honda Pilot! Its as quick/fast as the Allroad but much bigger, carries eight, BabyJanq's car seat fits it great and she finds it very easy to drive & own. At least once per week she tells me thanks for getting it for her.
The only car she liked that much prior was/is my Legacy AWD.
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I'm also a dual Porsche - STi owner. I agree that there are some major league snobs in the Porsche community, but there are also some died in the wool car nuts who aren't in it for the flash. They just love cars and Porsches in particular. I've been going to PCA national events for 10 years and have some great friends from all over the country as a result. I actually had friends volunteer to bring their Boxster S for me to drive at the Porsche Parade autocross last year because I had a last minute issue with my car. That was in addition to bringing their 911 to the event... I've found that the fun PCA people are the one's buying the used cars. The snobs are the guys who just dropped $100K for a car loaded with goofy trim options that do nothing but add weight.

I know where 944 turbo guy is coming from. I had a really nice, low mile 911 that I used to show at national PCA events. I sold it after buying a 944 Turbo to autocross and I still get the "oh you traded down" reaction. I never feel I'm in a lesser car, but some Porsche people see it that way. Actually what I got was a faster, more modern car plus $16K for upgrades, so who's the rube?

Janq, the Porsche dealer experience, I couldn't agree more. The local dealer's parts counter is so typical. This mahogany altar for the worship of grossly overpriced parts. All while standing on a polished marble floor. The whole experience is not designed for the blue jean and tee shirt crowd to which I so proudly belong. In fact I'm suprised they bother to sell parts over the counter to the great unwashed masses... ("Around the back please, wouldn't want to offend the customers.")

The STi was one of those cars that I just couldn't pass up... The level of performance and the level of engineering sophistication is pretty amazing for the money. I'd have talked myself out of buying it like I had talked myself out of so many other cool cars, but my wonderful wife convinced me to go for it. I've yet to see another STi on the road and I've gotten no attention from other Subarus. All the attention so far is from kids in modded Hondas and scorn from people in boring cars. I'm looking forward to my first SCCA event since there are normally a number of WRX in attendence.

This is my first Subaru BTW.

Drive safe.
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Old 08-15-2003, 04:06 PM   #19
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Just wanted to share some stories from my short (less than 2 years) with the M3.

I'll say this first. BMW drivers ARE elitist. No doubt about it. But it's got nothing to do with the car. It's just the way many of them are. I'd be driving in my M3 and I wouldn't get a even a wave from other BMW drivers, everything from regular 3 series to 850Csi. NOTHING.

Once at a gas station I had a chat with a guy who had a 330. That was it! The only other BMW stranger who ever talked to me!

But, the M3 guys are all a good bunch. Anyone who hangs out at roadfly.com knows what I mean.

My experiences with Merc drivers was totally the opposite. They'd ask me how I liked the car at the gas station. On the highway they'd play tag. I remember a E series on the highway with a family in it. I blew by, and all the kids were waving like crazy. I slowed down to take it easy and they caught up. Again the husband and kids were waving and laughing. It was hilarious.

C5 and Z06 owners often made like they wanted to play but never really had their heart in it. Same with Camaro SS / Firebird drivers.

A Boxster S guy was ready for some fun and we went off on a quiet road. He gave me a thumbs up afterward and was obviously just up for some fun and to see how the cars would compare. "Real" 911 owners would never so much as blink at me.

I got a lot of unwanted attention too. Rednecks in 1/2 tons trying to drive me off the road for example. Guys in sunfires and civics cutting in front and trying to instigate. Lots of peolple see the BMW Roundel and think "TARGET".

I did have some fun on an empty highway with some guys in a new Ram V10. Pull away, let them catch up, pull away. Same with a new 300M, they were a lot of fun and waved at the end of it.

I remember some friends tried to set me up with this chick. All she could talk about was her mustang and her father's Jag Vanden Plas. My friends dragged her over one day and she saw the M3 was like, who needs this car? It's a waste. To myself, I was like, who needs a mustang convertible?

I chalk it up to some people being REAL car fans and others not. If you're a REAL car fan, you can see the neat features of a car and appreciate them, and understand the people who like them, even if you're not a big fan.

All bets are off if you start talking about Aztecs and Pacers though.

P.S. my first car was a 1974 Javelin with the 401 v8. Others included 53 Dodge Tow Truck, a 70 Plymouth Fury, a 81 Lada, a 82 Chevette, a 70 SS Chevelle, a 73 Chevelle, a 69 Beaumont, an 88 Delta 88, and the 95 Accord Wagon I drive now.

Buying the M3, I had to go to a dealer at another city because I couldn't get them to even take a deposit at the one where I lived. That should have been my first indicator of what the "bmw experiences" is like.
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Akkk! He had a Lada and admits it!
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Old 08-15-2003, 04:25 PM   #21
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True story,,Porsche DC/Potomac Club,sponsered open autocross at Ft Meade Md airfield 2 years ago.Out of 200 cars maybe 40 were Porsches.Maybe 15 Subys, the rest were assorted cars all makes.
After we had paid $25, walked the course,got our work stations and then went to the driver meeting.We were curtly informed that there were too many"other makes" there and that we probably wouldnt be real welcome at the next event because of the number of cars.
It was like ,Pardon Me ?
What our moneys not good enough fr you?? So about 10 or 12 of us RS guys asked in front of evreyone else fr our money back,which started a revolt among the other non Porsche folks as well.
Well obviously the 40 or so Porsches there werent going to be able to support the event so they kinda brushed it off and started calling cars up.
We all ran,but ive never gone to one of their events ever again and i know many others havent as well.
I wrote to the Pres of the DC region,explained the whole affair,and got no response whatsoever.

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BTW.The central Md. region Porsche Club,exactly the opposite,great bunch of guys,,they like cars
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i think the subaru guys in NESIC are the friendliest bunch at the track. this includes everything from the guy who drives the white 1.8 L wagon (he is the bomb at the corners in Lime Rock Park) to the guy who has an STi with a turboxs exhaust pumping out almost 290-300 whp, to the random friends of friends who show up driving neons, escorts, 800hp supras, etc.

certain marques (the S2000 folks, the porsche folks, etc.) seem to stick to their own kind and act like flamin' bungholios to people outside their flock. not so with the subie guys. the miata bunch is also very friendly, and surprisingly enough, so is the Z06 group.

however, we subie-dudes and dudettes take the cake in overall friendliness and affability at the track. go us!

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Old 08-15-2003, 05:00 PM   #23
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Akkk! He had a Lada and admits it!
Not by choice, and only for 4 weeks.

Horrendous electical system, never worked from day 1.

Could be worse, could have said I owned a Skoda!
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Not by choice, and only for 4 weeks.

Horrendous electical system, never worked from day 1.

Could be worse, could have said I owned a Skoda!
my dad owned a Lada and Skoda,, i learned how to steer in the lada... i was 6 yrs old..

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my dad owned a Lada and Skoda,, i learned how to steer in the lada... i was 6 yrs old..

Hey, my uncle owned a Lada!

He was a roofer and it said 'Craftsman' along the sides.

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