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Old 08-15-2003, 02:51 AM   #1
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No not a drag strip!! im talking road course. Who has had their STi on a road course??? I cant wait to take mine, my break in is done and im still getting used to the STi's awesome power rocketing out of turns. I live in chicago area and i cant wait till I can get up to gingerman or road america for a day of track fun. I cant wait another second, i cant even imagine how much fun the STi will be on a road course. Its one thing to go fast in a straight line, but it is a whole new thing to go fast through some turns on a track.

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Old 08-15-2003, 06:13 AM   #2
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Try this web site, only for experienced drivers.

http://www.mpowerclub.com/tracksignup/

Its scheduled for 28th August, this will be my third track day with the STi. We normally have a caravan to these events.

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Old 08-15-2003, 07:39 AM   #3
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Well since you asked. I posted most of this on the New England Forum. The car was bone stock when I took it to the track except for Motul Brake Fluid.

Wednesday I took my Subaru STI to the SCDA driving school at NHIS. It was a one day school for car enthusiasts. It is non competitive driving in a track environment. My cheeks still hurt from smiling so much.

We started with a session of classroom time in which we went over safety procedures and flagging. Then we met up with the instructors. Well I got a great instructor (Peter Fai) and headed out on the track. The first session felt very controlled and you got to learn the line around the track. The instructors have helmet communicators they use with you so you can hear them more easily. After the first session I was feeling good but felt I could go much faster.

The second time out the instructor let me push the car a little more. I engaged ABS a few times and heard a little squeal in a couple corners. By this time I was hitting 5th gear on the front straight and topping at about 105-110 I would say. Was really no time to look down but knew how long I was in 5th WOT. Felt much faster but still no real drama yet. The STI is the most confidence inspiring car I have ever driven.

More class time and lunch followed. I came back from lunch and found my instructor to go back out. Turned out they wanted to bump me up to the intermediate group because I was going so fast already. I was flattered and at the same time a little scared. The Intermediate group was going much faster and was made up of quite a few more high end cars. My Instructor approved the move and we went out in the Intermediate group.

Once we were out on the track we quickly sorted ourselves to the proper place in the running order (the back) we waved everyone by in the first lap. This gave us a lot of running room to start playing with. Now I was getting much harder on the car. Hard braking before all corners. Carried good speed through most corners and was really starting to feel the line. I think I was only caught by 2 cars during this 6-7 lap time frame. So I am just hammering away trying to go a little harder each lap. I pull onto the straight and ahead on me now are two Z06's. Down the straight and into the corners and I catch them. I still feel I need to push the car a lot harder though a couple spots where I was just holding speed not accelerating but I was just amazed to get as far as I did in one day.

The last session went well for the first 5-6 laps but then I started to run out of fuel. It would slosh out of the pickup and stumble in a couple corners. I came in and called it a day.

Peter then took me out in his 69? Porsche 911. It is FR with about 250 Hp but it only weighs in at about 2200 pounds. We rocketed around the track drifting this way and that as he hung with another Porsche who was a friend of his. While his buddies car had an additional 100 hp we hung with him lap after lap. I really saw how much more there was to learn after watching him drive.

On the whole if you have ever even thought of driving in road course event I would recommend the SCDA group. In one day you get a great feel for the sport and you get some great instruction. Everything about the group from the classroom to the instructors is grade A.

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Old 08-15-2003, 10:39 AM   #4
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I ran at gingerman with my stock Sti. It is a nice car to drive...I would prefer a bit more neutral feel, but the times were good. I ran consistent 1:38's. FTD was a 2001 M Coupe (moddified) with slicks [1:36's]. Anyone else have Gingerman times???
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Old 08-15-2003, 12:43 PM   #5
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Hey bhodson, did you use the stock tires and if so how did they hold up?

I'd love to get out on the track as soon as possible as well but from what I have heard it sounds like I should wait till I have another set of wheels with track specific tires on them.

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Old 08-15-2003, 12:52 PM   #6
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I had mine on the track on 8/10/03. It was my first time ever on a track. It was so much fun,I will be going back after a few mods. All I have done is S.S. brake lines and motul fluid and it seemed to hang with or be quicker than any thing on the track. I let the instructor take me for two laps with the advanced group and it was very competitive.And he was very impressed with it also.
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Old 08-15-2003, 01:04 PM   #7
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Hey bhodson, did you use the stock tires and if so how did they hold up?
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They held up pretty well. They didn't seem to fade at all and I seemed to have good traction through all the sessions. I was squealing them pretty good in the 3rd of the 4 sessions. They looked a little melted after my last session but seem to be fine. I think I can get maybe one more day out of them on the track before they will be in real trouble. I am getting new rims and snows for the winter so I figure I'll use my Snow rims for race tires for the summer next year.

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Old 08-15-2003, 02:08 PM   #8
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My first track day ever was at Gingerman on Aug 4th with CGI motorsports. I had a great time. It rained for 15 min in the afternoon, which was good cause it left the track damp for about 1-1.5 hours so I got some wet practice time. There were 3 other noobs with me, a WRX wagon, an s2000, and a Z06. When I started out in front of the Z06 in the dry he passed me, but in the wet it was reversed!
I don't know what times I was running, but I'm sure I was slower than 1:38 . I only took it out of 4th once or twice late in the day as I was tired of hitting the limiter on the straights, but I kept screwing up the heel-toe downshift so I gave up and just concentrated on the line.
Phil (NSX owner who ran the event) asked to ride with me my last time out and afterwords he complimented both me and the STi, so I guess I did OK. I can't compare this event to any other as it is my first one, but for $150.00 for 6 20min sessions (I could have done one more but was low on gas) I thought it was great, everyone was very friendly and out to have fun.

I ran totally stock, and I have a few questions and comments about tires and brakes:
1. The tires dont seem to hold the road as well now. I still have tread, but they just are less sticky. Is this common? Did I overwork them in some way? Did they get too hot?
2. I ran stock brake fluid. The pedal seems alot softer now. Again did I overwork the fluid? Will changing the fluid restore the stock feel? I still have alot of pad left. I KNOW everyone says no stock fluid, but I think I felt I wouldn't be pushing the car as hard as most track people.

I'll have to remember 1:38 for next year. Different tires and different pads and different brake fluid by then, but everything else will still be stock.

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Old 08-15-2003, 02:26 PM   #9
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My first track day ever was at Gingerman on Aug 4th with CGI motorsports. I had a great time. It rained for 15 min in the afternoon, which was good cause it left the track damp for about 1-1.5 hours so I got some wet practice time. There were 3 other noobs with me, a WRX wagon, an s2000, and a Z06. When I started out in front of the Z06 in the dry he passed me, but in the wet it was reversed!
I don't know what times I was running, but I'm sure I was slower than 1:38 . I only took it out of 4th once or twice late in the day as I was tired of hitting the limiter on the straights, but I kept screwing up the heel-toe downshift so I gave up and just concentrated on the line.
Phil (NSX owner who ran the event) asked to ride with me my last time out and afterwords he complimented both me and the STi, so I guess I did OK. I can't compare this event to any other as it is my first one, but for $150.00 for 6 20min sessions (I could have done one more but was low on gas) I thought it was great, everyone was very friendly and out to have fun.

I ran totally stock, and I have a few questions and comments about tires and brakes:
1. The tires dont seem to hold the road as well now. I still have tread, but they just are less sticky. Is this common? Did I overwork them in some way? Did they get too hot?
2. I ran stock brake fluid. The pedal seems alot softer now. Again did I overwork the fluid? Will changing the fluid restore the stock feel? I still have alot of pad left. I KNOW everyone says no stock fluid, but I think I felt I wouldn't be pushing the car as hard as most track people.

I'll have to remember 1:38 for next year. Different tires and different pads and different brake fluid by then, but everything else will still be stock.

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You boiled your fluid. Bleed it with Castrol SRF if you wanna go nuts with it or just Motul 600 ($12 a bottle). Next weak point will be stock pads...then rotors...then you need to go bigger...it never ends.
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Old 08-16-2003, 12:01 PM   #10
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WRX2002,

would gingerman have track ppl there to take me around the track and help me follow the line a bit?? My friend with an SVT focus has been to a few track events at gingerman and he said its great. I have a basic driving school and a little track experience so i think id be ok at the track, maybe on the slow side but i would definitly be under control and on the track. Hopefully my dad can find time that weekend and we can take the STi up there.
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Old 08-17-2003, 01:25 AM   #11
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I also ran my car at Gingerman recently, this past tuesday.

I've got probably 500 laps there, so know the track pretty well, but it was a completely new experience with the STi.

I also ended up with a soft pedal after a few hard laps (didn't change the fluid, should have) but getting used to the way the DCCD moves power around the car & the way the car felt overall was still tons of fun. I think I was running ~1:40 but wasn't keeping track, it was just too much fun.

I started out with 36F/32R and pulled air out of the fronts over the course of the day, trying to keep them at ~44 hot. the rears tended to be around 39 or so.

chewed up the LF a bit with some chunking, but nothing you wouldn't expect from a full tread depth street tire on the track.

it's a really quick car & for someone with a bit of track time very easy to drive very fast quickly. the diffs take a bit of getting used to, but nothing too bad. we'll see how many more days I run it, have to get the track-only car finished, it's silly to have a car with a cage & not use it...



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Old 08-17-2003, 05:25 AM   #12
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WRX2002,

would gingerman have track ppl there to take me around the track and help me follow the line a bit?? My friend with an SVT focus has been to a few track events at gingerman and he said its great. I have a basic driving school and a little track experience so i think id be ok at the track, maybe on the slow side but i would definitly be under control and on the track. Hopefully my dad can find time that weekend and we can take the STi up there.
No there is no organized trainers as this is not for inexperienced drivers, but I'm sure I or other Subaru drivers will be willing to show someone around the track to find the lines if they are experienced drivers already.

Let me know if you are going out, but you need to pre enrol.

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Old 08-17-2003, 11:41 AM   #13
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Im looking at that and a few other options for gingerman, i found that CGI motorsports has a 2 driving schools there each month and i think i might do that for atleast the first time up there. Also the one crap part to this is that all of the track days ive found are on weekdays!! So i really gotta negotiate missing school with my parents...
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Im looking at that and a few other options for gingerman, i found that CGI motorsports has a 2 driving schools there each month and i think i might do that for atleast the first time up there. Also the one crap part to this is that all of the track days ive found are on weekdays!! So i really gotta negotiate missing school with my parents...
Thats true most are during the week, for us who work or at least in my case its a great escape from work for the day. And after the last track day i was so tired the next day I had to take off as well. Its a form of sponsor ship from my work I supose.
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Old 08-18-2003, 10:57 PM   #15
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I tracked my STi for the first time about 3 weeks ago. I had tracked my '02 WRX previously 4 times. I took Skip Barber's 3-day Racing School about 2 years ago.

The STi was GREAT on the track. VERY fast. MUCH faster than my previous WRX. Prepare to have FUN, FUN, FUN.

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