It's beginning...

stimpy · 08-15-2003, 01:17 PM

Lookit what I've got sitting in my basement:

My motor is currently sitting in my living room until I get the bolts to put it on the engine stand and find another three people to help carry it down the stairs

-Jon

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totoherbs · 08-15-2003, 02:19 PM

dude... how many axles do you have ???

garface · 08-15-2003, 02:19 PM

Oh c'mon, two people can carry the motor easy.

What are you doing anyway? STi swap? You're about to have a lot of "fun".

stimpy · 08-15-2003, 02:46 PM

I've got 8 axles in my basement, and another 4 installed on my L.

2 MY03 WRX sedan front axles (man are they thick)
2 MY00 Legacy front axles
2 MY01 2.5RS rear LSD axles
1 MY00 Legacy Outback rear non-LSD axle
1 MY99 Forester rear non-LSD axle
2 MY96 Impreza front axles (in use)
2 MY96 Impreza rear non-LSD axles (in use)

For the record, I didn't ask for the WRX, Legacy Outback, or Forester axles

The clump of wiring is for a MY03 USDM swap into a MY96 Impreza L.

-Jon

stimpy · 08-16-2003, 12:37 AM

We got the engine downstairs. Did it with only two guys.

Here is the mess that is my storage room:

Turbo and manifolds have been removed and oil was drained. I should have pictures of the oil pan tomorrow to see what kind of damage, if any, has occured during shipment.

-Jon

stimpy · 08-17-2003, 04:17 PM

Timing marks all line up properly and the engine will spin without hanging or anything. Plugs look a little more brown than golden, but they appear to be in decent shape.

I found that someone jacked my timing belt cover though. I'm not sure what happenend, but two of the nuts have been removed from the rear driver's side timing belt cover.

I also picked through the wiring diagrams and hooked up my gauge cluster. Looks like the engine didn't have 7k miles on it. It had 8k miles

Oh yeah, and black tape leaves one hell of a mess on your hands and on the wires. I've already come across a couple ghetto splices right at the gauge cluster.

-Jon

Jaxx · 08-17-2003, 10:29 PM

8000 miles and they left the gas tank empty too

hmm i was under the impression that the cam gears were plastic on the ej205
mine (which sat in a japan junkyard, a crate on a ship and a seattle yard had no rust on them ...

ghetto spilces like turbo timer or some monkey in the factory

stimpy · 08-18-2003, 01:07 AM

Gastank was actually at 1/3 full. When I hooked up power to the onboad CPU, it read no signal from the fuel level sensor and dropped the reading to empty. If you look closely, you can see the fuel light is on as well as the airbag light.

All four cam gears are metal, albeit I have three different types of cam gears

I've heard that the STi has plastic cam gears, but not the WRX.

Ghetto splices like some monkey from the factory did it.

This motor came from Chicago and I think it lived through a NE winter. On top of that, I think it got kind of rained on while in Chicago.

-Jon

spiralsmurf · 08-18-2003, 07:01 PM

jon, how much of that wiring do you think is gonna be left after you're done? seems like at least half of it is unneeded.

stimpy · 08-18-2003, 07:15 PM

I would imagine most will not be needed. However, I haven't begun to pick through the main harness to determine that yet. Keeping in mind that all that we need out of the harness are those wires that pertain to the engine itself. Other things like lights, airbags, etc will be retained through the existing harness.

-Jon

serious · 08-18-2003, 07:50 PM

Do you have a clothes line out back too?! Just kidding. The wrx engine i have in my basement (although a garage!) has 1 metal timming gear and the rest are cheesy a$$ plastic.
Good luck with that swap.
B

spiralsmurf · 08-18-2003, 08:03 PM

whats the white plastic box in the picture of all the wiring?

serious · 08-18-2003, 08:06 PM

The one with the black tape around it? Subaru does this for some reason for some of the wires under the dash. Probably to protect it.
Brent

Scooby South · 08-18-2003, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spiralsmurf
whats the white plastic box in the picture of all the wiring?

I will take this one....

...The WRX harness goes thru the fenderwell so the plastic is there for protection...

Bill

Puckaveli · 08-19-2003, 01:59 PM

actually all newer bulkhead harnesses have the plastic cover on them and it used for mounting purposes as you can see the to mounting holes in the top. At leas that is the case with a 2000 RS harness.

Be glad you don't have plastic cam gears they suck and the UK guys despise them.

stimpy · 08-19-2003, 02:20 PM

Actually, I inspected everything closer and I have 3 plastic gears too. Each gear is completely different from the other.

-Jon

stimpy · 08-20-2003, 11:42 AM

Got some work done over the past couple nights. I inspected the oil pan and it is slightly bent, but probably not enough to be of concern. It is only $40 for a new one so I'm currently deciding if I want to pay for another one and do the work to replace it.

I also have a bent power steering pulley. Theoretically, there is a single nut that keeps the pulley attached to the power steering pump shaft, however after hitting it with PB Blaster, an impact driver, and finally a breaker bar, the hex nut finally stripped. I was told that would probably happen so I pulled the entire shaft assembly out of the pump and I'll be getting a new one.

I didn't have the energy to start a new project after fighting that stupid retaining clip for an hour so I will be getting into the wiring in the next couple days.

-Jon

Wagon Joe · 08-20-2003, 12:07 PM

Let me know if you need a hand sometime over the next few weeks. I owe you after your help on my uppipe install.

- Joe

Jaxx · 08-20-2003, 05:06 PM

bummer i just sold a gda power steering pump

stimpy · 08-21-2003, 12:26 AM

I have some progress, but nothing nearly as cool as Scooby South's.

I spent about an hour combining all my techinfo wiring docs into one big file so searching through the wiring diagrams is now quite easy. If I need to find all instances of connector "i2" I can just scroll through the document looking for the connector or just do a file search. It's all bookmarked and whatnot so I can jump around quickly and painlessly.

I spent about two hours actually labelling some connectors tonight. Man, that is some tedious stuff. I did manage to get almost all of the wires on two of the bulkhead connectors labelled though, so, at the very least, I've got almost everything known for the guage cluster and also a bunch of the opposite ends of the bulkhead wiring harnesses. Atleast one wire is not explicitly mentioned anywhere in the wiring diagrams so it looks like I'll have to trace the wire off the bulkhead wiring harness on the other end. There are a couple things that made no logical sense on how to describe it. There were also a couple wires that appeared to be ambigious but were clarified in another diagram.

Here is what my cluster harness looks like after removing most of the tape and labelling:

For my own curiosity, I removed my fuel pump today to see what I was going to have to deal with. I can't find my pictures of my RS fuel pump, but it looks like I have the stubby fuel pump from the earlier models. Worth noting is that I do not have the fuel temperature sensor or the fuel tank pressure sensor equipped on my car. The MY03 WRX ECU expects those signals so I'm not sure what I will do.

-Jon

spiralsmurf · 08-21-2003, 05:35 AM

get a wrx fp and controller and wire it in

stimpy · 08-21-2003, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spiralsmurf
get a wrx fp and controller and wire it in

I'm not sure how that resolves anything. The parts that I don't have are either external from the fuel tank (fuel tank pressure), or part of the fuel pickup assembly (fuel temperature sensor). Simply replacing the fuel pump with a WRX unit achieves the necessary fuel flow that I need (and it will be done) and wiring in the fuel pump controller just adds additional intelligence to the fuel pump relay (needed for the ECU).

As per the FSM

Quote:

Fuel Pump Control
Using the signal from the crankshaft position sensor, the ECM controls operation of the fuel pump by turning its relay ON or OFF. To improve safety, the fuel pump is stopped if the engine stalls with the ignition switch ON.

I haven't been able to hunt down the connector for the fuel pump controller to know what wires it takes. I'll see if I can do that tonight. I just casually looked through the diagrams but didn't see anything jump out at me.

I was originally quoted the entire fuel tank assembly for my conversion and I'm waiting back to hear about that.

-Jon

spiralsmurf · 08-21-2003, 03:09 PM

jon, thats what i meant...you should replace it w/ the complete wrx fuel tank/pump assembly.

stimpy · 08-21-2003, 04:10 PM

Oh, ok. That is what I'm hoping for. My engine source has said that the WRX tank will not physically fit due to a change in the rear seat structure underneath the car. He has been right about everything else thus far so we shall see. In my mind, even if I cannot actually fit the entire tank into the car (though Eby put his in) I would atleast have all the parts necessary to retrofit. What I don't get is why on earth did the EJ18 cars come equipped with all these parts but they were excluded from the EJ22 cars??

-Jon

spiralsmurf · 08-21-2003, 06:02 PM

jon,

if you don't mind me asking, who is your engine supplier, how much did you pay for your stuff, and does he have more engines?

08-15-2003, 01:17 PM	#1
stimpy Homicidal Maniac Moderator Member#: 1612 Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Austin, TX Vehicle: 2008 STI	It's beginning... Lookit what I've got sitting in my basement: My motor is currently sitting in my living room until I get the bolts to put it on the engine stand and find another three people to help carry it down the stairs -Jon * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

08-21-2003, 12:26 AM	#20
stimpy Homicidal Maniac Moderator Member#: 1612 Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Austin, TX Vehicle: 2008 STI	I have some progress, but nothing nearly as cool as Scooby South's. I spent about an hour combining all my techinfo wiring docs into one big file so searching through the wiring diagrams is now quite easy. If I need to find all instances of connector "i2" I can just scroll through the document looking for the connector or just do a file search. It's all bookmarked and whatnot so I can jump around quickly and painlessly. I spent about two hours actually labelling some connectors tonight. Man, that is some tedious stuff. I did manage to get almost all of the wires on two of the bulkhead connectors labelled though, so, at the very least, I've got almost everything known for the guage cluster and also a bunch of the opposite ends of the bulkhead wiring harnesses. Atleast one wire is not explicitly mentioned anywhere in the wiring diagrams so it looks like I'll have to trace the wire off the bulkhead wiring harness on the other end. There are a couple things that made no logical sense on how to describe it. There were also a couple wires that appeared to be ambigious but were clarified in another diagram. Here is what my cluster harness looks like after removing most of the tape and labelling: For my own curiosity, I removed my fuel pump today to see what I was going to have to deal with. I can't find my pictures of my RS fuel pump, but it looks like I have the stubby fuel pump from the earlier models. Worth noting is that I do not have the fuel temperature sensor or the fuel tank pressure sensor equipped on my car. The MY03 WRX ECU expects those signals so I'm not sure what I will do. -Jon Last edited by stimpy; 08-21-2003 at 12:31 AM.

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08-15-2003, 02:19 PM	#2
totoherbs Scooby Guru Member#: 7321 Join Date: Jun 2001 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: waltham, ma Vehicle: .... 122 IggPoints Work... ahhh... so tired.	dude... how many axles do you have ???

08-15-2003, 02:19 PM	#3
garface Scooby Guru Member#: 1581 Join Date: Jun 2000 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: yonkers, ny Vehicle: MY00 RS/STi7 MY01 RS Both Silverthorne	Oh c'mon, two people can carry the motor easy. What are you doing anyway? STi swap? You're about to have a lot of "fun".

08-15-2003, 02:46 PM	#4
stimpy Homicidal Maniac Moderator Member#: 1612 Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Austin, TX Vehicle: 2008 STI	I've got 8 axles in my basement, and another 4 installed on my L. 2 MY03 WRX sedan front axles (man are they thick) 2 MY00 Legacy front axles 2 MY01 2.5RS rear LSD axles 1 MY00 Legacy Outback rear non-LSD axle 1 MY99 Forester rear non-LSD axle 2 MY96 Impreza front axles (in use) 2 MY96 Impreza rear non-LSD axles (in use) For the record, I didn't ask for the WRX, Legacy Outback, or Forester axles The clump of wiring is for a MY03 USDM swap into a MY96 Impreza L. -Jon

08-16-2003, 12:37 AM	#5
stimpy Homicidal Maniac Moderator Member#: 1612 Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Austin, TX Vehicle: 2008 STI	We got the engine downstairs. Did it with only two guys. Here is the mess that is my storage room: Turbo and manifolds have been removed and oil was drained. I should have pictures of the oil pan tomorrow to see what kind of damage, if any, has occured during shipment. -Jon

08-17-2003, 04:17 PM	#6
stimpy Homicidal Maniac Moderator Member#: 1612 Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Austin, TX Vehicle: 2008 STI	Timing marks all line up properly and the engine will spin without hanging or anything. Plugs look a little more brown than golden, but they appear to be in decent shape. I found that someone jacked my timing belt cover though. I'm not sure what happenend, but two of the nuts have been removed from the rear driver's side timing belt cover. I also picked through the wiring diagrams and hooked up my gauge cluster. Looks like the engine didn't have 7k miles on it. It had 8k miles Oh yeah, and black tape leaves one hell of a mess on your hands and on the wires. I've already come across a couple ghetto splices right at the gauge cluster. -Jon

08-17-2003, 10:29 PM	#7
Jaxx NASIOC Supporter Member#: 177 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Boise,Idaho,USA Vehicle: The 93 Imp W/EJ20K flat black	8000 miles and they left the gas tank empty too hmm i was under the impression that the cam gears were plastic on the ej205 mine (which sat in a japan junkyard, a crate on a ship and a seattle yard had no rust on them ... ghetto spilces like turbo timer or some monkey in the factory

08-18-2003, 01:07 AM	#8
stimpy Homicidal Maniac Moderator Member#: 1612 Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Austin, TX Vehicle: 2008 STI	Gastank was actually at 1/3 full. When I hooked up power to the onboad CPU, it read no signal from the fuel level sensor and dropped the reading to empty. If you look closely, you can see the fuel light is on as well as the airbag light. All four cam gears are metal, albeit I have three different types of cam gears I've heard that the STi has plastic cam gears, but not the WRX. Ghetto splices like some monkey from the factory did it. This motor came from Chicago and I think it lived through a NE winter. On top of that, I think it got kind of rained on while in Chicago. -Jon

08-18-2003, 07:01 PM	#9
spiralsmurf Scooby Specialist Member#: 16085 Join Date: Mar 2002 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Chatsworth, CA Vehicle: 2005 STi Black	jon, how much of that wiring do you think is gonna be left after you're done? seems like at least half of it is unneeded.

08-18-2003, 07:15 PM	#10
stimpy Homicidal Maniac Moderator Member#: 1612 Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Austin, TX Vehicle: 2008 STI	I would imagine most will not be needed. However, I haven't begun to pick through the main harness to determine that yet. Keeping in mind that all that we need out of the harness are those wires that pertain to the engine itself. Other things like lights, airbags, etc will be retained through the existing harness. -Jon

08-18-2003, 07:50 PM	#11
serious Scooby Specialist Member#: 22879 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: missoula , montana	Do you have a clothes line out back too?! Just kidding. The wrx engine i have in my basement (although a garage!) has 1 metal timming gear and the rest are cheesy a$$ plastic. Good luck with that swap. B

08-18-2003, 08:03 PM	#12
spiralsmurf Scooby Specialist Member#: 16085 Join Date: Mar 2002 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Chatsworth, CA Vehicle: 2005 STi Black	whats the white plastic box in the picture of all the wiring?

08-18-2003, 08:06 PM	#13
serious Scooby Specialist Member#: 22879 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: missoula , montana	The one with the black tape around it? Subaru does this for some reason for some of the wires under the dash. Probably to protect it. Brent

08-19-2003, 01:59 PM	#15
Puckaveli Scooby Specialist Member#: 1518 Join Date: May 2000 Location: Stow, OH Vehicle: 00 2.5RS Silver	actually all newer bulkhead harnesses have the plastic cover on them and it used for mounting purposes as you can see the to mounting holes in the top. At leas that is the case with a 2000 RS harness. Be glad you don't have plastic cam gears they suck and the UK guys despise them.

08-19-2003, 02:20 PM	#16
stimpy Homicidal Maniac Moderator Member#: 1612 Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Austin, TX Vehicle: 2008 STI	Actually, I inspected everything closer and I have 3 plastic gears too. Each gear is completely different from the other. -Jon

08-20-2003, 11:42 AM	#17
stimpy Homicidal Maniac Moderator Member#: 1612 Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Austin, TX Vehicle: 2008 STI	Got some work done over the past couple nights. I inspected the oil pan and it is slightly bent, but probably not enough to be of concern. It is only $40 for a new one so I'm currently deciding if I want to pay for another one and do the work to replace it. I also have a bent power steering pulley. Theoretically, there is a single nut that keeps the pulley attached to the power steering pump shaft, however after hitting it with PB Blaster, an impact driver, and finally a breaker bar, the hex nut finally stripped. I was told that would probably happen so I pulled the entire shaft assembly out of the pump and I'll be getting a new one. I didn't have the energy to start a new project after fighting that stupid retaining clip for an hour so I will be getting into the wiring in the next couple days. -Jon

08-20-2003, 12:07 PM	#18
Wagon Joe Scooby Specialist Member#: 34436 Join Date: Mar 2003 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Silver Lake, NH Vehicle: OT's Custom Penmaker www.silverlakepens.com	Let me know if you need a hand sometime over the next few weeks. I owe you after your help on my uppipe install. - Joe

08-20-2003, 05:06 PM	#19
Jaxx NASIOC Supporter Member#: 177 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Boise,Idaho,USA Vehicle: The 93 Imp W/EJ20K flat black	bummer i just sold a gda power steering pump

08-21-2003, 05:35 AM	#21
spiralsmurf Scooby Specialist Member#: 16085 Join Date: Mar 2002 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Chatsworth, CA Vehicle: 2005 STi Black	get a wrx fp and controller and wire it in

08-21-2003, 03:09 PM	#23
spiralsmurf Scooby Specialist Member#: 16085 Join Date: Mar 2002 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Chatsworth, CA Vehicle: 2005 STi Black	jon, thats what i meant...you should replace it w/ the complete wrx fuel tank/pump assembly.

08-21-2003, 04:10 PM	#24
stimpy Homicidal Maniac Moderator Member#: 1612 Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Austin, TX Vehicle: 2008 STI	Oh, ok. That is what I'm hoping for. My engine source has said that the WRX tank will not physically fit due to a change in the rear seat structure underneath the car. He has been right about everything else thus far so we shall see. In my mind, even if I cannot actually fit the entire tank into the car (though Eby put his in) I would atleast have all the parts necessary to retrofit. What I don't get is why on earth did the EJ18 cars come equipped with all these parts but they were excluded from the EJ22 cars?? -Jon

08-21-2003, 06:02 PM	#25
spiralsmurf Scooby Specialist Member#: 16085 Join Date: Mar 2002 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Chatsworth, CA Vehicle: 2005 STi Black	jon, if you don't mind me asking, who is your engine supplier, how much did you pay for your stuff, and does he have more engines?