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Old 08-16-2003, 12:16 AM   #1
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Default Are guages needed with remap?

Let's say I purchased a turboback w/ uppipe and then added a remapped ECU (or UTEC)...Do I really need guages to monitor the cars performance if the ECU is still doing it's job? If something goes wrong, wouldn't the cell just go off (like stock)?

If guages are required, well at what point are they really required? Once you add an uppipe or downpipe only? Full turboback? Upgraded turbo?

Is it just a personally decision? i.e. just how safe are you with your car? hehe...cause I like to be pretty safe, hence no power mods yet. Taking my time to understand things first. Still a newb.
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Old 08-16-2003, 01:30 AM   #2
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guages are always a good thing, they can help you determine if everything is working as it should. you can never be to safe
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Old 08-16-2003, 06:01 PM   #3
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yeah i was wondering the same thing, how far you can generally go without gauges. Would a reflash(cobb, ecutek etc) require guages?


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Old 08-18-2003, 12:01 AM   #4
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Gauges are always desirable on a performance vehicle - stock desirable - start modding they become a necessity. It gives you a good feel for how your vehicle is doing well before most CELs.

If you aren't going to invest in the gauges get a good logger - if you come here with a problem but no operating parameters like boost level and EGTs it makes it hard for anyone to respond. If you are doing any mods and not monitoring your engine, set the money aside in a rainy day account it will rain at some point and you won't see it coming.
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Old 08-18-2003, 03:02 AM   #5
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Good point. I'm looking into guages right now My biggest problem is deciding where I want to put them :\ I don't want them in a pod on the dash. I don't want an apillar...well maybe but only with 1 slot. But, then I need to find a place for 2 more and I don't want it too tacky. i.e. Trying to make it look stock.

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Gauges are always desirable on a performance vehicle - stock desirable - start modding they become a necessity. It gives you a good feel for how your vehicle is doing well before most CELs.

If you aren't going to invest in the gauges get a good logger - if you come here with a problem but no operating parameters like boost level and EGTs it makes it hard for anyone to respond. If you are doing any mods and not monitoring your engine, set the money aside in a rainy day account it will rain at some point and you won't see it coming.
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Old 08-18-2003, 03:22 AM   #6
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yeah i was wondering the same thing, how far you can generally go without gauges. Would a reflash(cobb, ecutek etc) require guages?
Shawn
I have read a quote by Trey saying in effect he didn't recommend gauges for his stages.

I would go with PSI3 instead of the traditional boost, egt, oil temp/pressure
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Old 08-18-2003, 03:43 AM   #7
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Typically, most people recommend EGT and boost gauges. If you only want two 2 gauges, Autometer makes a gauge pod that fits into the dash binnacle, behind the wheel, in front of the tach, speedo, etc. It costs about $75, and installation is a snap. The gauges are then easy to see, but don't really mess up the look of the interior. It looks pretty close to stock.

If you don't have at least EGT and boost it's kind of hard to troubleshoot a lot of problems. Particularly if you go with a UTEC, because you'll definitely want to tune it, and can do so yourself easily.
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Old 08-18-2003, 08:28 AM   #8
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I have read a quote by Trey saying in effect he didn't recommend gauges for his stages.
I hope that means he says he doesn't think they are necessary as opposed to recommending against them. Either way the comment is disconcerting. I wonder how he would respond to a call saying - "I think I have a problem but can't tell you any of the operating parameters because I didn't get gauges as you recommended". I honestly can't believe any tuner would not recommend boost, EGT and oil temp at a minimum.
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Old 08-18-2003, 10:27 AM   #9
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I have read a quote by Trey saying in effect he didn't recommend gauges for his stages.

I would go with PSI3 instead of the traditional boost, egt, oil temp/pressure
Wow...That's exactly what I was thinking about. So, this unit replaces all guages, and pretty much displays all relavent information on an lcd display....!?

Is this thing as reliable as the guages it replaces? Does anyone currently use it and can vouch for it...blah blah blah...I'm just curious. This is a great option!

That dash binnacle mount is pretty nice too. I just saw it yesterday while searching. Another great option that looked nice and clean. Thanks!
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Old 08-18-2003, 10:40 AM   #10
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Do a search - that product has been discussed at length.

My impression is it is slow responding to changes in conditions and is hard to read while driving (some even have a hard time reading it while stationary! )
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Old 08-19-2003, 02:40 AM   #11
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Another idea to consider is gauges with peak-hold functions. I think that some Apex'i and Defi gauges have this feature. I have Greddy electronic gauges (no peak hold), and while they work great, when you're trying to watch the road, the tach, the boost, the hopefully-not-flashing-CEL (UTEC will flash it when you det...) and the EGT, you can pretty easily miss something. It took until my third det event to spot my EGT peak.

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Old 08-19-2003, 02:44 AM   #12
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If you want to see what that pod looks like installed in my car, with EGT and Boost by Greddy, PM me your e-mail.
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Old 08-19-2003, 02:44 AM   #13
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Yep P/W/H is nice and a must on higher mods - but despite my obsession with engine monitoring I wouldn't really push for it on a stock / slightly modded / stage 1 - which I assume is the level we are talking about.

Omori also has PWH on all its 60mm electrics. And matches the WRX cluster configuration facing, backlight and needle 02-04 WRX and STi.

Before up pipe install and EGT hookup. Right in your face you can have 80mm of boost and digital EGT with bright LEDs. 52mm only has warning.


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Old 08-19-2003, 03:00 AM   #14
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Well, if you don't want to install the EGT BEFORE the uppipe, during the uppipe install is really the perfect time. You have to drop the exhaust manifold anyway, so you might as well tap it then.

Jehcpa,

Nice gauges. Two more and you're going to need an IFR license to drive it.

Seriously, though, I'm not really fond of either the center pods or the a-pillar pods (especially on the wagon, they don't fit...), which is why I have just EGT and boost. But I sure wouldn't mind oil temp and pressure.

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Old 08-19-2003, 08:27 AM   #15
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Yeah EGT was installed during up pipe change. And this is actually my temporary setup - I am not a big fan of Defi pods either...
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