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Old 08-18-2003, 02:20 PM   #1
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Default Best Track Pads and Fluid...first track day please reply

Ok guys, my first track day may be coming up pretty quickly and I need to know what the genereal concensus is on which track only (Carbotech, etc.) pads are good and which fluid to pair it up with. (Motul, etc.)

Also:

Do I NEED front and rear pads or will fronts only suffice?

Other than track only pads and an appropriate fluid will I NEED SS lines or can I assume that I will be OK without them?

Or jsut go stock for the first time???

Where can I get these goodies with the quickness???

Thanks guys I appreciate it a lot!
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Old 08-18-2003, 02:46 PM   #2
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I just finished my first track day(s). I spent two days in HPDE group1 @ Virginia International Raceway.

I ran on stock pads/stock fluid. I was ok. My brake fluid never boiled, and the pads held up ok.

I am now replacing them with Carbotech bobcats. If/when I start spending more time on the track, I'll probably get Carbotech's Panther+.

Call Carbotech. 1-877-899-5024. Ask to speak to Larry. He is EXTREMELY knoweldegable when it comes to pads.

I am changing the fluid to: ATE Super Blue Racing Brake Fluid. Available @ Extreme Motorsports (around 20 bucks for a large can of it).

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Like I said: I ran stock pads & stock fluid & didn't have a problem... Just wore my pads down a LOT

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Old 08-18-2003, 09:48 PM   #3
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I just finished my first track day(s). I spent two days in HPDE group1 @ Virginia International Raceway.

I ran on stock pads/stock fluid. I was ok. My brake fluid never boiled, and the pads held up ok.

I am now replacing them with Carbotech bobcats. If/when I start spending more time on the track, I'll probably get Carbotech's Panther+.

Call Carbotech. 1-877-899-5024. Ask to speak to Larry. He is EXTREMELY knoweldegable when it comes to pads.

I am changing the fluid to: ATE Super Blue Racing Brake Fluid. Available @ Extreme Motorsports (around 20 bucks for a large can of it).

Extreme

Like I said: I ran stock pads & stock fluid & didn't have a problem... Just wore my pads down a LOT

A.


$20.00 a can?! holly batman! why don't you try cobaltfriction.com (ask for Andie or Rusty)

Part Number: FLUID.ATE.TYP200
Product Name: ATE TYP200 GOLD (1 Liter)
Description: SPECIFICATIONS: Dry Boiling Point = 590F, Wet Boiling Point = 410F, Hygroscopic Level = Low
Price: $11.99


now, that's more like it!

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Old 08-18-2003, 10:07 PM   #4
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Bart: Thanks, I'll try that next time.

BTW: How often do you guys flush your Brake Fluid???

My instructor @ the HPDE said they recommend flushing it every 6 months, because it will get WATER in it??

A.
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Old 08-18-2003, 10:58 PM   #5
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Default Re: Best Track Pads and Fluid...first track day please reply

I'd recommend some front pads and upgraded fluid, to ensure a safe & enjoyable track experience. The rear pads should be OK, and the stainless lines are a "feel" mod. I use Carbotech Panther XP's for track days, with nary a bit of fade, even during longer sessions. Panther + would be OK as well. I'm using Motul fluid.

I wouldn't recommend using stock pads for track days. Unless you're on a low speed track and/or only doing short sessions, you will experience fade at some point. I've even experienced fade with my street/autox Carbotech Bobcats, which have a temperature rating far higher than the stock pads.

The recommendaiton of replacing fluid every 6 months is a sound one - racing fluids do tend to pick up water over time.

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Old 08-18-2003, 10:59 PM   #6
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www.raceshopper.com sells the ATE Super Blue for $9.95 a can.
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Old 08-18-2003, 11:46 PM   #7
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www.raceshopper.com sells the ATE Super Blue for $9.95 a can.
good find!

still, for what the difference is, i'd give my business to Andie for his professionalism, experience/advise and most of all, SERVICE

to each his/her own i guess

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Old 08-19-2003, 07:37 PM   #8
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I'd recommend some front pads and upgraded fluid, to ensure a safe & enjoyable track experience. The rear pads should be OK, and the stainless lines are a "feel" mod. I use Carbotech Panther XP's for track days, with nary a bit of fade, even during longer sessions. Panther + would be OK as well. I'm using Motul fluid.

I wouldn't recommend using stock pads for track days. Unless you're on a low speed track and/or only doing short sessions, you will experience fade at some point. I've even experienced fade with my street/autox Carbotech Bobcats, which have a temperature rating far higher than the stock pads.

The recommendaiton of replacing fluid every 6 months is a sound one - racing fluids do tend to pick up water over time.
Totally agree with MNBiker, so didn't bother rewriting. I use Carbotech XP's with Motul 600. You can get away with Carbotech Panther+, but any less will likely be too soft and not last under the heat of track days. Although I am pretty hard on the brakes, a set of XP's lasts only 2 track days. So plan accordingly-you don't want to be caught with no pads and a long drive home. I try to have extra pads, and have my original OEM pads with ~50% remaining as my backup.

Oh yeah: Have fun!
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Old 08-20-2003, 07:23 AM   #9
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Yep -- pretty much what MSG and MNBiker said.

You didn't mention if you were going to be using street tires or R-compounds. You will have a lot less grip on street tires, which will help keep things cooler for you.

Don't waste your time trying to use stock pads, or a 'crossover' pad like Axxis Ultimates. You might get away with it for your first track day, but you certainly won't do any more on them.

Panther XP's are a great pad for the track, but pricey. Make sure you order something else (like Bobcat) to replace those XP's you're going to kill, so you have something to drive home on.

I use Motul RBF 600 fluid with no issues whatsoever.

SS lines are not required, nor are rear pads, unless you just want them. Neither one will do anything for your stopping distance or fade resistance, but may help with peace of mind and bling.

Good luck, be safe and let us know what you think.

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Old 08-20-2003, 03:18 PM   #10
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Bart: Thanks, I'll try that next time.

BTW: How often do you guys flush your Brake Fluid???

My instructor @ the HPDE said they recommend flushing it every 6 months, because it will get WATER in it??

A.

I bleed before every track day, and flush every few months. Except for the time spent, it's realtively cheap and saves you the pain in the neck of having to work on your car at the track.
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Old 08-20-2003, 07:43 PM   #11
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i run the carbotech XP's on teh street as well. ask Matt from Carbotech, they are safe to drive on the street, as well as provide a good initial bite when the pads are cold. no harmful wear n tear on the rotors either.

bobcats at the track might be insufficient - they don't have as high a temp rating as the panther plus or XP's.

btw you can usually find a good set of XPs for cheap if you buy them used - usually 90% or more, and still have good life in them.
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depends what brake fluid you use.

motul RBF600 is notorious for absorbing water quickly. it works extremely well, but is only good for the weekend you run the track with it.

ATE superblue is an excellent fluid as well - not as high a wet boiling point, but resists moisture for longer periods of time - effectiveness doesn't drop as quickly as the motul stuff, so you can run it for longer without bleeding.
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