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Old 08-16-2003, 09:53 AM   #1
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Default Deciding between the Sti and the Evo... help

I am going to buy the Evo or the Sti and I need some help here.
Most people say that the Sti will be more reliable, but why? Also, I don't understand why most if not all of the magazines chose the Evo over the Sti, even though the Sti has more power. I would have thought the Sti would be faster in a straight line. Does anyone have any experience with Mitsubishi products?
Has anyone test driven both cars and can give me their honest opinions.
One down fall to the Evo is that you have to take it into service more often than the Sti.
I have not test driven either one, so your opinions are all I have to go by. It seems that the dealers are reluctent to let the cars be test driven.
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Old 08-16-2003, 10:13 AM   #2
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Hello, there have been many forums about this around but ill give u my honest opinion.

for me, i was looking for more of a daily driver, since this is my only car, and honestly, the EVO's gagues and interior were pretty ugly, whereas the STI has very very nice gagues and the interior is pretty nice

i live in the city, and not on a mountain, so i didnt need precise handling that would be life or death, so i took out the handling factor because both are great cars, and were modeled after the rally cars which would mean awsome handling either or.

The EVO does really have nice handling, go evo if ur into those handling cars, plus it has a stereo

but the STI is a lot more of a beast, and it also pulls low end rpms whereas the EVO doesnt pull as hard low end (ive heard). The STI is more of a daily driver as well, with a little less harsh of a ride and also comes with Cruise Control for those long rides

so in the end, it really does come down to personal preference, but i went with the STI and havent had a single doubt yet, and all the EVO's ive seen were like DAMN ITS AN STI or nice ryde , ect.
(mainly because im the only sti in raleigh ive seen so far, but theres prolly another rollin round somewhere)

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Old 08-16-2003, 10:20 AM   #3
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oh yeah and the STI is a 6 speed

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Old 08-16-2003, 10:21 AM   #4
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Do you really think you are going to get an unbiased opinion on what to choose? Go with the STi, period!
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Old 08-16-2003, 10:49 AM   #5
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Ya you can't ask in a STi or Evo specific forum which to get, you know what people are going to tell you

I believe I'm safe in saying the STi has been heralded as a better daily driver than the Evo. It has power all throughout the band whereas the Evo has nothing down low but takes off like a rocket ship mid-hi. This is one of the things that makes the regular WRX hard to drive unless you mod it.
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Old 08-16-2003, 10:53 AM   #6
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You mean it takes off like a STi missing 20-30ft-lbs......


Frankly the STi is a hands down winner assuming the following

A. you can learn to drive the car, instead of just doing the same old same old you did in every other car you've owned.

B. you are willing to put in some front negative camber

C. you can afford the price difference over the EVO.
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Old 08-16-2003, 10:56 AM   #7
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Depending on your need, but, I have a family (wife and 1 year-old baby), and the STi is much more forgiving than the EVO in terms of ride comfort... and that's what I need. Scarry how I always think of my fam even when I buy my toy car
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Old 08-16-2003, 01:13 PM   #8
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Everybody talks about comfort here and family. If you want that get a C32 AMG (it costs few dollars more though...)

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Old 08-16-2003, 01:23 PM   #9
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Default Re: Deciding between the Sti and the Evo... help

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Originally posted by Maverick1
I am going to buy the Evo or the Sti and I need some help here.
Most people say that the Sti will be more reliable, but why? Also, I don't understand why most if not all of the magazines chose the Evo over the Sti, even though the Sti has more power. I would have thought the Sti would be faster in a straight line. Does anyone have any experience with Mitsubishi products?
Has anyone test driven both cars and can give me their honest opinions.
One down fall to the Evo is that you have to take it into service more often than the Sti.
I have not test driven either one, so your opinions are all I have to go by. It seems that the dealers are reluctent to let the cars be test driven.
Cheers Doug
Take the Evo! Then again, both are really good cars. It all boils down to your personal prefference. Each has it's strength and weakness.
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Old 08-16-2003, 03:38 PM   #10
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I drove and Evo, and I loved the car. The two are really SO close that performance shouldn't *really* be an issue. One is marginally better here, the other there. Even the magazines, when they do draw a winner, say that there is only a split-hair between the two of them. These are closer than the Mustang V Camaro battles of old, probably as close as the 600cc sportbike market.

In other words, you can NOT go WRONG with EITHER.

Pick the one YOU like better, for WHATEVER reason you like it.

Personally, I prefer the looks of the Evo, and I prefer it's handling characteristics better than the STi. I also like the tighter seats, carbon wing, and hey, a stereo!

Reliability is (from what I've read on both forums) probabaly similar, plus you ahve a warranty, so who cares? Subaru had some problems, and so did Mitsu, but those are probably more related to the individual and the exact car in question than the overall car type.

So, if you like the Evo, (sounds like you do) get it and be happy.

*But*, for me, I'll be getting an STi.

Why?

Here:

1) I can get an STi *cheaper* b/c I am getting mine for $400 over INVOICE, all the Evos I looked at were for MSRP at best.

2) I really prize safety, and the Evo does not get Side Air Bags (IIHS did a report on how much of a difference they can make).

3) This will sound rediculous, but the STi is actually rated to tow, and I confirmed this with both SoA and my particular dealer, so I can still take my bike & lightweight trailer to the track, the Evo can not tow, period.

4) I used to install custom stereos, so I don't mind putting one in the STi (which will be better and cheaper than what they offer).

5) I live in Buffalo, and I think the extra grip afforded by the 2 extra differentials would be nice, though I will point out that my friend's 4G63 Eclipse AWD never had a problem, nor for that matter does my FWD car with decent tires.

6) I really hate the ugliness of the STi, but in black it's OK, and form the inside...well...who cares? Most interiors look pretty much the same, and you rarely see the outside of the car except when cleaning it, or walking up to it.

IF the Evo had Side Air Bags, and I could get it for $400 over Invoice, I'd buy one in a heartbeat, but I can't so i won't.

But, for me, that's all the difference between the two--just two things that I find important that others may not.

Pick the one you want, both are excellent cars.
(And coming to NAISOC you should expect STi to be the winner, and the Evolution boards will say Evo, but they're both essentially right, neither car is a loser.)
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Old 08-16-2003, 05:53 PM   #11
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I was in the same boat, wasn't sure which to get. The EVO has the sunroof and rear wiper which I really like and a little more room in the rear seat and I have three kids. It also comes in red or yellow which I like also. BUT there is no cruise control and I drive 50K plus miles a year, so no CC, no EVO. I owned a Mitsu in the past it was the MOST unreliable car I ever owned so thats another thing to look at also. Who cares if you have an EVO if you're always fixing something.
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Old 08-16-2003, 07:18 PM   #12
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Default Thanks guys for your inputs..!!!!!

I really want to thank all of you for your inputs. I am finding this a really difficult decision. The way some of the magazines worded their articles it sounded to me like the Evo drove circles around the Sti. However, if the handling of the two cars is that close then I am more likely going to buy the Sti. Ghostrider, you came up with some very good points, like the towing and air bags and cruise control. Regarding the lack of a stereo, I am actually glad it does not come with one because I was planning on going with either a deck with a hard drive built in for playing MP3's from the laptop or at least going with a deck that can play MP3 burned CD's.
I am moving down to sunny California which means that I will be doing a lot more driving and the cc comes in handy.
To be honest with you I think I prefer the styling of the Evo just by a hair, but I have a gut feeling that the Sti would be more reliable. The Subaru dealer gave me the shpeel that 93% of current Subaru owners would by a Subaru again.
Are Subarus as reliable as say Honda or Toyota. I currently have a 1988 Honda civic hatchback as my winter beater and it just past 430,000km with no engine work at all.
Is there anyone out there that would be willing to take me out for a spin in their Sti, who lives between Buffalo and Toronto?
I was taken out by a salesman who drove the Sti like my grandfather would drive a Ferrari. That little drive actually turned me off the car because he didn't push it at all, and it just felt like a firmer Wrx.
Ghostrider, I guess someone in the family works for Subaru in order to get it $400 over invoice. If not please let me in on your secret for getting such a good deal.
If in the next week or so if I can't find anyone who will either take me out for a test ride or a test drive, I will just order the car and put in the contract that I am purchasing the vehicle subject to me liking the vehicle after test driving it.
I must say that I did like the drive of the Wrx except for the turbo lag and the shifter, it felt so rubbery and getting it into first was sometimes difficult. How is the shifter on the Sti? I hope it is a lot better than the standard Wrx. It would be a great idea if Subaru came out with a wagon Sti, I think that they would sell tons. Thanks again. Cheers Doug.
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Old 08-16-2003, 08:22 PM   #13
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I just drove both of the EVO and STI today and also the new RX-8. I have a Cobb Stage 2 93 setup with a TXS TMIC and some other various mods so that is my baseline.

STI-Felt tighter than my WRX, nice low end, and the 6 speed is very nice. The hood scoop is huge and I could do without the wing, and the seats are wide. We are at 5000 ft elevation here so the low end of the 2.5 engine is nice. The front diff ripped the steering wheel out of my hands the first time I got on it. Suspension didn't feel all that much stiffer than my WRX and I was a little disappointed with the bite of the brakes. I have Stoptech Stage 1's on my WRX. Overall very nice car. If I just didn't already have a modified WRX.

EVO-I was actually very surprised by the car. I thought they look cheap interior wise but when driving it you don't notice. The seats are terrific compared to the STI. The suspension is much firmer and the steering is very quick. It is a 2.0 so at very low rpms it is a little doggy with the A/C on but nowhere near as bad as a stock WRX. The motor sounds and runs very good and the handling was also very good. This thing is like a go cart. I can see why the magazines picked it if they were testing at a track. As an everyday driver it may be too stiff and the steering too quick for most people or as an only car for a family.

RX-8-(just for info) Way too slow at this altitude. Handles very good. Not as firm as the EVO but very grippy. The engine is so smooth and quiet and it has more bottom pull than the older RX-7 turbos I have driven. Back seats have no leg room with me in the front. Actually a pretty nice car but not for me.

Between the STI and the EVO I think it is a difficult choice. At this altitude the STI has a little edge in drivability due to the low end pull but the EVO puts a smile on your face. I am probably still leaning toward a STI but that is just me and my situation with being able to transfer parts from the WRX to the STI.

Fun day though I must admit.
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Old 08-16-2003, 08:46 PM   #14
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Mike mentioned the CC, not me, I'd actually forgotten that point as I rarely use it (all urban commuting, stop and go, no need for it).

And actually, the $400 over invoice is a standard deal at Van Bortel Subaru. They sell all of their STis for that price, no negotiation. http://www.vanbortel.subarusdc.com/en_US/

The downside is the wait list, which I've been told is up to 90+, but my salewoman says a lot of those people are dreamers who really can not or will not buy when their number comes up.

Of course, a bunch of people from here found out about VB, so the list may have more serious buyers now than it did when the car first came out. Either way, for me, the $2-3000 savings vs. MSRP or MSRP +$$ is worth the wait.

And, the waitlist is free, no deposit (another reason so many are on it who may back out).

I was hemming and hawing between the Evo and Sti, so I only got on the waitlist around May, but my first "up" was in July, so not a bad wait...

I passed b/c the STis were having detonation problems, and I wanted an official fix (see the other threads about Det/Ping).

My next "up" should be Aug 25th, and then we'll see if I get it
(or wait till next year to save one winter of Buffalo salt, plus see what the Legacy Turbo is like, which should be out anytime Sept-May...)...

I really didn't find the interior of the STi to be much better than the std WRX, and the blue...well...it's OK...I'd prefer black/graphite but so it goes.

As far as reliability goes, neither Subaru nor Mitsubishi are Honda or Toyota.

They're both good, Subaru may be slightly better than Mitsu, but don't expect them to run 250,000 miles flawlessly like Honda and Toyo do with ease.

There was a product survey post around somewhere, and it showed the rankings, Subaru was mid-pack, not Honda Great, not Hyundai bad (old Hyundai anyway).

But, as long as you don't violate the warranty, your major Big Cost items are covered (ex:Turbo and Transmission) and that should let you sleep for 5yrs/60k miles (IIRC).

Again, I'm not sure if I *will* or will not get my STi on the 25th...the way the economy and some other things are looking I may pass, BUT if I do get it (big IF) and you're around Buffalo, I'll PM you for a ride-along...and I don't drive like granpa Moses.
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Old 08-17-2003, 04:04 AM   #15
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I'm most likely buying an EVO..

why?? simple..

The lowest stupid tax (aka markup) here in socal is $2500.
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Old 08-17-2003, 12:22 PM   #16
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6 speed helps a bunch on Highways and definte plus
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Huh?

I just drove to Mid-Ohio and back (22 hours). Didn't miss CC. And gear #5 was more than sufficient.





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Old 08-18-2003, 03:19 AM   #18
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I haven't driven either but these are two factors I can think of:

First of all, the EVO runs like 19 PSI into its 2.0 liter engine and has relatively high compression for that kind of boost. The STi only runs 14.5 PSI-same as a stock WRX. Now, I know the 4G63 is a great engine and all but lets face it, history has shown that if you beat on a mitsubishi, bad things happen eventually. From what I have seen, Subies run better for longer, with fewer problems. And we all know that neither of these two cars are going to be bought for driving grandma to bingo. They will be beaten hard, and my prediction that the STi will have a longer life than the evo. This is also coming from a guy who still has dreams of turning a 1st gen eclipse into a monster drag car.

Second, is the stereo. The Evo has one, the STi doesn't. The stock WRX stereo sounds like the speakers were from an old chevelle. I would not consider the lack of a stereo in the STi an issue because I have always preferred an upgraded aftermarket stereo system. Aftermarket is a lot cheaper anyway.
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Old 08-18-2003, 11:58 AM   #19
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I was in the same boat, wasn't sure which to get. The EVO has the sunroof and rear wiper which I really like and a little more room in the rear seat and I have three kids. It also comes in red or yellow which I like also. BUT there is no cruise control and I drive 50K plus miles a year, so no CC, no EVO. I owned a Mitsu in the past it was the MOST unreliable car I ever owned so thats another thing to look at also. Who cares if you have an EVO if you're always fixing something.
my exact same feelings and experience - also, what if mitsu decides in 2004 to come out with the 6-speed/ACD/AYD? wouldn't you feel jiffed at getting a half-azzed car? at least the STi now is as good or better (2.5!!) than the JDM or EDM or ADM cars!
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First of all, the EVO runs like 19 PSI into its 2.0 liter engine and has relatively high compression for that kind of boost.
The Evo only runs 19psi at 3500RPMs (the torque peak). It tapers to just 16psi at 6500RPMs (the power peak).

That sort of boost is no problem for that engine, though. Especially with a 9.8 A/R exhaust housing. And even if you do get knock, Mitsubishi's ECU is very good at retarding the timing quickly to get rid of it, but without affecting power much.
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Old 08-18-2003, 01:47 PM   #21
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I would be driving an STi now, if the dealers around my area weren't so lame. I had an order on one at VB since Jan 9 and just got sick of waiting when they were finally delivered to New England. I was ready to pay MSRP and just have the car already. To make a long story short I ended up with the EVO, never even considered getting one, but the test drive let me know I wouldn't be disappointed, and I'm not. Today is two months with the EVO and I've put over 8K miles on it. Needless to say with that many miles in 2 months it is my daily driver. I haven't driven an STi so I can't give a drive by drive comparison.

I would guess that 99% of the people here would not complain about the ride in an EVO if it was their daily driver. The ride is not something that wears you out in this car.

I got cruise control installed the second day I had the car, it was very important for me, for the amount of driving I do, it took the installers a long time how to figure out how to get it to work in the EVO, but in can be done, very succesfully.

The thing that I like better about the EVO is the exterior styling (obviously that's subjective) but both cars look much different in person than in pictures. The dash is cheap looking in the EVO, but after two months I don't find it distasteful, and it's very functional. The guauges are on the smallish side, and I would like better ones. The seats in the EVO are better than the seats in the STi in my opinion. The big wing has grown on me, but you can get it with a smaller wing, if you so choose.

I was really hesitant about the EVO because it didn't have side airbags. It's still probably my biggest complaint about the car. I even traded a much cheaper car that had them. If that's going to bother you than get the STi.

I have the same opinion as most here on Mitsubishi realibility, but on average, I keep a car for a year, maybe a year and half, so if it's not realiable, I'll just get rid of it. In 8K miles, I haven't had one single problem, the biggest complaints I've heard on the EVO boards is cheap paint, and a weak clutch. I've had a Subaru and I kept that for 1 and half years, the only thing that went wrong in 36K miles on that was the front differential (replaced under warranty) and a few electrical demons, but it never left me stranded and that's all that matters in my book.

Reading all the magazines and cruising/trolling all of the boards related to these cars, it really can be chosen quite simply, if you feel more comfortable with the STi, then that's your car. If you immediately want to modify, then currently there are a lot more parts available for the EVO, but that's just a matter of time, considering the STi engine is the basis for the majority of future turbo engines for Subaru. If you like the aesthics of one more than the other than go with the one you like the best.

Either way you'll have a great car.
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Old 08-18-2003, 01:51 PM   #22
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I'm most likely buying an EVO..

why?? simple..

The lowest stupid tax (aka markup) here in socal is $2500.
you can get it for 1500 less than msrp now

just show up w/ your money.. they need it bad..
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$1500 off??
Where? PM me.

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you can get it for 1500 less than msrp now

just show up w/ your money.. they need it bad..
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Old 08-18-2003, 02:38 PM   #24
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Here's a few places:

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...threadid=35034

Most dealers are offering under MSRP on the EVOs now. When I got mine, they had dealer markup sticker of $5K, I kindly told the salesguy if he wanted to speak to me, he had to tear that thing off the car, he did. I payed MSRP, but they gave me exactly what I wanted on my trades, so I figure I got it for 1K under MSRP.

Just know what you're willing to pay and don't go beyond that.
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They are both great cars. Period. But if you want my 2 cents, and I drive a wrx because that's what I can afford, here it is:

STi,
Better gauges
Side airbags
Cruise controll
Radio Delete (good Thing)
Subaru Interior (better IMO but I have had 4 subarus)
3 diffs
faster in a straigh line
more reliable (who knows)
softer ride (better for daily driver)
6 speed
low end torque
brakes

cons
more $$$ (maybe not in your area)
must get big wing (I like stealth)
hood scoop is HUGE

EVO
pros
handles better (harsher, but faster)
SEATS
cheaper
rear wiper

cons
pantiac?!? I don't like the exterior as much as the STi, but personal preferance
I don't like the inside (personal again)
5 speed
relaibility?
turbo lag



I am a subaru guy, so I would go STi all the way. EVOs are very nice cars, but the biggest thing the mags all said is that it out handles the STi and that made it better. Well I sort of like the STis handling for a daily driver and it is quicker in a straight line... You could also tune the STis suspension a bit to fix this, but the same could be said about an EVO and it's speed... for me, and most here being a subaru forum, it's STi, but you can't go wrong wither way. I just like the inside and outside a lot better on the STi and the interior has things "in the wrong spot" on the EVO because I have had so many subarus....

But for me it's the WRX because I would rather make my payments in Mods than manditory monthly car payments.... my WRX is paid off....

Good Enough for me, and I can't afford the gas or ins. for wither the EVO or STi and the sticker price is too much too.... Oh yeah, and tickets are easier to get out of in my stealth WRX and a flashy EVO or STi....

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