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Old 08-18-2003, 10:06 PM   #1
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Question Any more STi's this year?

I talked to my dealer today to check on my STi's arrival date and he said it was coming in early Sept. and it would be in their last shipment of STi's for the year. Can anyone confirm that there will be no STi's available until next year?
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Old 08-18-2003, 10:51 PM   #2
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Does not seem likely. Selling out a 2004 model year in 2003?
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Old 08-18-2003, 11:08 PM   #3
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Maybe they already produced the 3600 for MY04
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Old 08-18-2003, 11:12 PM   #4
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I talked to my dealer today to check on my STi's arrival date and he said it was coming in early Sept. and it would be in their last shipment of STi's for the year. Can anyone confirm that there will be no STi's available until next year?
Probably just BS'ing you to make sure he can get you for MSRP.

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Old 08-18-2003, 11:13 PM   #5
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Its possible.

Only 3K units were to be supplied for the '04 MY/'03 CY as announced earlier this year by Subaru.

As we all know dealer allocations are based on sales of WRX/STi units with the majority of STi's going to the larger volume dealers. Even still the allocation amounts were predicted to taper off as the year came to a close again as per word from Subaru. This could & would result in some dealers getting very few units to start with and going to zero soon thereafter.

I know that Van Bortel (A Subaru of New England dealer) where I bought my car from and is a volume dealer in WRX's recieved eight units in their first shipment which was reduced by 50% in their second shipment (including my car) and that they expect the remainder of their '04MY/'03CY allocation to be the same or less through December.
Another dealer I had a deposit with (a Subaru Mid-Atlantic dealer)up to last week which is locally based and relatively small had recieved the exact same info from Subaru. Their first allocation had four units which was reduced to two in the succesive allocation and then one for this month (which was going to be my car). The other dealers I spoe with during my 'deal finding phase', which were _many_, pretty much all reported the exact same info.

Bottom Line: The pickings will get slim, slimmer then go to nothing for the '04MY. No information has been announced toward a '05MY/'04CY STi and/or shipment schedule.

If you can find an STi at MSRP or less, and they are out there, grab it while you can.

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EDIT: Also, do not forget that the shipment numbers were toward the total of 'North America', which includes our buddies from the whole other country of Canada.
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Old 08-18-2003, 11:18 PM   #6
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Uhhh...No.

I agreed to MSRP long before todays conversation. He did say that they gave him one more STi (not mine) for Sept. because he sold a bunch of WRXs and STis in July/Aug.


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Probably just BS'ing you to make sure he can get you for MSRP.

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Old 08-18-2003, 11:39 PM   #7
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Neil,

Get on the phone tomorrow and call around to every dealer within travel distance to you and try to locate an STi at MSRP.

To get my STi I flew to Rochester, NY and drove it back alone 480 miles at night with no radio! I wanted it that bad. Others have reported driving over 1K miles literally from one cost to the midwest or even further. My dealer reported a father & son duo that picked their car and were driving it back home to _Dallas_!

Remember an STi in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Best of luck chum!

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Old 08-19-2003, 12:26 AM   #8
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Neil,

Get on the phone tomorrow and call around to every dealer within travel distance to you and try to locate an STi at MSRP.

To get my STi I flew to Rochester, NY and drove it back alone 480 miles at night with no radio! I wanted it that bad. Others have reported driving over 1K miles literally from one cost to the midwest or even further. My dealer reported a father & son duo that picked their car and were driving it back home to _Dallas_!

Remember an STi in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Best of luck chum!

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Hummm....

I live 30 minutes from Boston and can get an STi for MSRP on the spot at any dealer that has one at the time (over 50% do, ususally). I actually have a few places lined up that have agreed to give me private party sale value for my wrx trade in, if I'm buying at MSRP.

Maybe it's worse in the midwest?

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Old 08-19-2003, 12:30 AM   #9
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Kevin,

Keep in mind local economies have a lot to do with units sold therefore units available.

Boston is a major metropolitan area.
Folks that live in small/desolte/out of the way/non-metro areas
may find their dealers out of stock.

Good luck!

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Old 08-19-2003, 12:46 AM   #10
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Yep, the Subaru Dealership in New Orleans is a very small one. I've only seen one STi on the road in New Orleans, and the dealership only has 1 on the lot (I'm guessing it has a lot to do with the fact that New Orleans just isn't a big market for STi's...it's more of a market for ricers / bling cars...hell there aren't even a lot of Evos here, although there are many more Evos than STi's). When I do try to get my STi (which will be a 2005MY), I'm not guessing it's going to be easy going through the Subaru Dealership in New Orleans. That's why I may end up going up north and driving it home.
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Old 08-19-2003, 12:07 PM   #11
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I know that Van Bortel (A Subaru of New England dealer)

Actually, Van Bortel is part of Subaru Distributor Corp's region, not Subaru of New England.


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Old 08-19-2003, 01:07 PM   #12
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Actually, Van Bortel is part of Subaru Distributor Corp's region, not Subaru of New England.


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Thats interesting info and explains somethings.
My salesrep had told me though that they were SoNE.

But then I wondered why they were getting thier shipments at the same time as the MidAtlantic area and without the bogus addition of PIO's and their costs were the same as here (VA).

Thanks,

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Old 08-19-2003, 01:25 PM   #13
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I just got my STI in Central mass (north end subaru) they have sold 4 including mine.. they swapped a silver one for a black one (mine) and they flatbedded it from the NY border for me...I paid sticker.. I doubt anyone would be offereing MSRP in New England.. there are only 6 or less on lots right now and september is the last chance for this year...

Tri-state in Webster is getting 1-2 for inventory in September and they are in the middle of nowhere.. I'd called them.. or call Northend.. they will probabably get a few since they sold 4..


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Old 08-19-2003, 01:29 PM   #14
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Good info Raybo!

Someone should start a sticky thread for prospective owners toward dealer inventory STi sightings. Buyers will really have to scramble...

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Old 08-19-2003, 02:16 PM   #15
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You guys must have misread my post. I am paying MSRP. The Sales Manager flat stated that it was dealership policy to sell STi's at MSRP (no exceptions). He also just sold me a Forester XT for my wife at invoice so I have no reason to doubt him. When I ordered my STi there were only 2 others available within 200 miles. One black at MSRP and another black at around $37,000. I wanted white.

It also appears that Raybo confirmed what the Sales Manager stated about Sept. being it for STi's...
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Old 08-19-2003, 04:09 PM   #16
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I would guess they'll sell as many as they can produce in a timely fashion, to an extent. They sold many more WRXs in its first year than they had originally planned, based on early sales and continuing sales. I think eventually they brought over too many of them, and it drove the price down too low and there were alot on dealer lots. If they have sold out of 3600 STis by September, I would bet they'll end up bringing over twice that many by the end of 2004.
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Old 08-19-2003, 08:39 PM   #17
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Let me make sure I understand what you guys are trying to sell here. Subaru went through all the trouble of finally releasing a special USDM market 2.5L STi and now they are going to cut off sales of the vehicle until next year or leave a number of customers with money in hand hanging to spend that money on another car(EVO for example).

Please send whatever you're smoking to:

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Old 08-19-2003, 08:47 PM   #18
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In a word......yes.
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Old 08-19-2003, 08:56 PM   #19
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Its not a matter of the car being limited production, its more of a slow production vehicle, the numbers are going to be low but there is not pre-determinded set number, when you hear "3,600 units" I think its more of a hypothisis of how this car will do. I'm sure you'll be able to get the car in the options and color choices that you want, but Subaru isn't going to flood dealer lots with them like they are with WRX's.
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Old 08-19-2003, 09:01 PM   #20
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In a word......yes.
I'm with Neil.
Anything is else is optimistic hope & wishes.

Lord knows folks are gonna hate on me for saying this...

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Old 08-19-2003, 09:17 PM   #21
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I doubt anyone would be offereing MSRP in New England.. there are only 6 or less on lots right now and september is the last chance for this year...

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Come to Vermont, then.
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I've been recently informed that there are about 20 people on the Van Bortel waiting list ahead of me and they have been getting 4 to 6 STi models a month. Assuming no one bails on the waiting list I've been assured to be taking delivery between November and Decemeber of this year. If what you're saying there will not be any more shipments of STi this year after next month leaving me clearly out of luck and dealership knowingly misleading me. Keep in mind I spoke to my sales person just a few days ago with some related concerns and they simply laughed and assured me they would not be misleading me like this. I've had nothing but honesty from them so far. My local also very reputable dealership Mastro Subaru in Tampa also recently stated that after September when everyone on the their waiting list has taken delivery I can place an order for any color STi and take delivery 6-8 weeks after placing my order.

Anyone care to make a wager on this?
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Quote:
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I'm with Neil.
Anything is else is optimistic hope & wishes.

Lord knows folks are gonna hate on me for saying this...

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Lord knows I'm not going to "hate on you" , but people on this board have a tendancy to take these allocation numbers too seriously. When the WRX showed up, Subaru said "only 10000 allocated for the first MY" or some such thing, then they wound up selling twice as many.

The STI may be production limitted, in which case they will continue to trickle out of the plant. They might also be limitted by Subaru's fleet fuel economy.. But Subaru isn't going to limit the number just because they lowballed the number early on..
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Lord knows I'm not going to "hate on you" , but people on this board have a tendancy to take these allocation numbers too seriously. When the WRX showed up, Subaru said "only 10000 allocated for the first MY" or some such thing, then they wound up selling twice as many.

The STI may be production limitted, in which case they will continue to trickle out of the plant. They might also be limitted by Subaru's fleet fuel economy.. But Subaru isn't going to limit the number just because they lowballed the number early on..
My position is due to 'fleet fuel economy' numbers as well as the low profit to cost margin on this car. Time will tell the tale if they increase by a trickle or a flood the production numbers.

The thing is though the WRX was intended to be a primary model at its time of introduction. The 10K number the time was really just marketing fodder. I'm not so sure thats will be the case for the STi which is and has always been a side line production model.

No matter though as mine is sitting in the driveway begging to be flogged.

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I've been recently informed that there are about 20 people on the Van Bortel waiting list ahead of me and they have been getting 4 to 6 STi models a month. Assuming no one bails on the waiting list I've been assured to be taking delivery between November and Decemeber of this year. If what you're saying there will not be any more shipments of STi this year after next month leaving me clearly out of luck and dealership knowingly misleading me. Keep in mind I spoke to my sales person just a few days ago with some related concerns and they simply laughed and assured me they would not be misleading me like this. I've had nothing but honesty from them so far. My local also very reputable dealership Mastro Subaru in Tampa also recently stated that after September when everyone on the their waiting list has taken delivery I can place an order for any color STi and take delivery 6-8 weeks after placing my order.

Anyone care to make a wager on this?
No, you're the only one making any sense.

Janq and Neil, please don't promote alarmisim over sti supply on this board. If you can't get an STi in your area, suck it up and travel, just don't whine about it. The sti is not a limited production car, PERIOD. They will build as many as they can sell.

Neil, my comment about MSRP was that I thought the dealership was concerned that you would ask for UNDER msrp, and thus they would want to get you worried you wouldn't get one otherwise.

I just put down a deposit for a blue/gold w/no options that I found right in my area. I'm talking my WRX in for trade apraisial on Friday. On my request said they could give me private party sale value for my trade if I'm buying at MSRP - they even said they thought it would be a fair deal. (we'll see if they come through) I would guess they have already sold sti's at under MSRP, or were expecting to do it in this alocation. Maybe they are a little antsy with 4 cars sitting on the lot unspoken for?

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