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Old 08-23-2003, 01:05 AM   #1
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Question So, I'm thinking about where I want to move to...

Ok, so I have 2 years left in the military, and am currently in Maryland. Spent 2 years in Okinawa, and that FLEW by before I knew it. So, if I keep busy, these last 2 years will fly by as well. So I'm thinking about where I want to live when I get out.

So can you guys tell me about that area? I have some family in the Sacramento-to-Truckee area, and was considering the Sacramento area as a possibility.

How's the car seen out there? Driving areas and the like?

I know Truckee area has a lot of snowboarding fun to be had.. but what about things like offroad/mountain biking? And scuba diving in the pacific in that area?

2 years isn't much when you have to get a whole new life then...
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Old 08-23-2003, 01:52 AM   #2
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Sacramento is a pretty good place to be. Never far from whatever you want to do- the beach, the mountains, good driving roads, etc. Even have a growing Subaru shop that is doing great work- www.ss-ms.com. I can't think of any good reasons not to like Sacramento actually.
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Old 08-23-2003, 02:02 AM   #3
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Californias driving scene: http://www.pashnit.com/motoroads.htm

Mmmm....

Anyhow, Sac is great, the economy here is still very healthy with new development constantly. Out here in Placer county especially.

Sac is a more "rural" part of California, on the border of the sierra's and away from other heavily developed regions. Its easy to "get away" and out into the wilderness from here, including back roads as I posted up above As for off-road biking, the truckee/sierra region basically turns into a summer mountain sport region after the snow melts (mountain bikes, river rafting, mountain climbing, etc. you name it) and the pacific coast is rather cold for scuba diving but my aunt and uncle did their scuba training out in the Monterey region and dive along the coast consantly.
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Old 08-23-2003, 02:26 AM   #4
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K is right, but teh property values near Sac are effed.

Maybe between Sac and the sierras (as you posted) you can find something reasonable, but west of sac, forget about it. Median home price in Davis: approx. $400K!!!!!! No, thank you!

I like northern cali, but I plan on heading back to Tejas to buy some proppity (amen on two years not being long!).
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Old 08-23-2003, 02:48 PM   #5
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California has much suck when it comes to overbloated property value. Thanks a lot to all those dumbasses who came to California w/ a high paying job, overinflated already inflated prices and blew out of town when the job market dried up! I'm hoping to find something in Oregon if I can find a decent paying job there.

Oh yeah, we have the strictest emission and smog laws thanks to those morons in So Cal. They have 4 of the 5 worst smog cities in the country.
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Old 08-24-2003, 02:46 PM   #6
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What are the taxes(sales/property/income) like out there? And what's vehicle registration like(price and what do they require)?

I guess if I decide to come out there, I can't get TOO outrageous with my car. Currently, no emissions tests are required on it..
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Old 08-24-2003, 06:05 PM   #7
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What are the taxes(sales/property/income) like out there? And what's vehicle registration like(price and what do they require)?

I guess if I decide to come out there, I can't get TOO outrageous with my car. Currently, no emissions tests are required on it..
Taxes are pretty ugly. I think state taxes are pretty similar to other states, but CA recently passed a law allowing individual cities to impose their OWN income tax, in addition to state and fed. Property taxes all depend on the area in which you live - mine are about 1%, or around $2300/yr with no mella roos.

Registration is going to cause you to walk funny - they just repealed the vehicle license fee rebate, which actually made registration ALMOST affordable in this state. Now it's going to be approx 2% of the value of your car - so if you have a WRX and you paid about $25k for it, figure about $500 - $600 a year!!!!!!

Auto and home owners/renters insurance is higher here than in most states due to both the above average of dumb **** drivers (auto) and all the bs mold cases (home). In fact, a lot of companies have stopped writing new homeowners policies and if you make a claim on your home owners insurance you run the risk of being dropped at your next renewal. NICE.

Honestly, in two years, the sac area is going to suck pretty hard I would imagine. The job market, despite what people are saying is really only good in the service industry. If you're planning to do tech work, plan on commuting or having a really nice card board box in the downtown area. This could all change, but unfortunately a lot of companies, many of them tech, are moving their data centers else where in the country - or even outside of the US. Pretty soon we'll all be delivering news papers or working drive thrus somewhere.

Land prices are insane here. I have a home - very small lot, 3bed, 2 bath, nice place, nice area, but still - it was $236k a year ago - now it's worth $270k, and new homes across the street that are on even smaller lots and are similar sq ft are selling for like 260k - 280k!

I like the Sac area because of how close it is to everything. It's close to vegas, close to skiing in Tahoe, close to fun in the city, close to the ocean, but CA laws are funked, don't plan on keeping your car legal if you want to mod it. I'm actually thinking of moving out of the state - if my gf will go with. For me, she's the best part about living in sac.
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Old 08-24-2003, 07:35 PM   #8
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Originally posted by sonicsuby
I'm actually thinking of moving out of the state - if my gf will go with. For me, she's the best part about living in sac.
Aww, shucks, sonicsuby - even subie guys can be romantics at heart.

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Old 08-24-2003, 07:37 PM   #9
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I'm actually thinking of moving out of the state - if my gf will go with. For me, she's the best part about living in sac.
Aww, shucks, sonicsuby - even subie guys can be romantics at heart.

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I think she's the one. 'bout 3 years ago, I had a gf who wanted me to move in with her and I told her hell would freeze over first. About a month later we broke up, a month after that I was dating my current gf and two weeks later she stayed the night and never went home
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Old 08-24-2003, 07:51 PM   #10
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I would recommend against living in california for a couple of reasons. The political scene is all messed up and nowadays when people arent happy, they just reverse what the public wanted, like the recall. Also, smog laws are a bitch out here becuase of LA and the surrounding area. However, we do have some of the best skiing in the country, we have beaches close to the mountains and there is a ton of stuff to do in and around the bay area. However, to me it isnt worth it which is why I am leaving California tomorrow and changing my residency as soon as I get back to school.
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Old 08-25-2003, 04:58 PM   #11
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Its understandable to want to be near family, but the long term prospects for California are bleak. If you've followed the news, you already know that our political leadership has been so shoddy that the voters have revolted and demanded a recall. "Arnold" is running, so is the Arnold from Different Strokes. Its a circus. We are the mockery of the rest of the real states. Im just waiting for the rest of the Union to vote to kick us out.

California operates on the verge of insolvency (always on borrowed money), the services are poor, and the underlying factors (a steadily increasing population of tax consumers, restrictive legislation and rules affecting businesses, and a floundering tech economy) are likely only to worsen in the future.

Taxes, as you asked about, are very high. California currently has the #2 highest income tax rate in the country, and the sales taxes are also up there. Property tax is a minimum of 1% plus local assessments, usually an effective rate of 1.1 or more.

The flip side is that if you are an outdoor sports afficionado, California does have a lot to offer, both in terms of venues, and weather. There is good scuba in many places up and down the coast, Northern California has cold water though. Mountain Biking, pretty much anywhere in the state except in the Central Valley where its flat. This would eliminate Sac as a serious Mtn. Bikers choice of residence.

My recommendation, if you are considering Truckee, just move to Nevada - you will be close enough to visit, and not have to deal with the baggage of California.

California can be a nice place to visit, but living here gets less appealing every day.
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Old 08-25-2003, 05:53 PM   #12
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Mountain Biking, pretty much anywhere in the state except in the Central Valley where its flat. This would eliminate Sac as a serious Mtn. Bikers choice of residence.
There are a lot of REALLY good trails up in Auburn, which is only 45 minutes out.
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Old 08-25-2003, 08:47 PM   #13
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Auburn is 15 min from my house in Roseville... lake Folsom is 15 minutes... SF is 1.5 hrs... Tahoe... I can be on the slopes in 1:15min... yeah my mortgage is a lot.... but if you like sun and nice weather and outdoor stuff... can't beat it.
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Old 08-25-2003, 09:29 PM   #14
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Real estate prices here vs. actual income are pretty much the same as anywhere else. Yeah, you can get a 4 bed/2.5 bathroom in Tennesee for like $105,000, but you're also getting paid 60% less.
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Old 08-25-2003, 09:34 PM   #15
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I've read all the negative aspects and must agree with them, but...

There's also a little known park called Yosemite.

There are two drag strips (Sacramento Raceway and Infineon) and three road courses (Thunderhill, Infineon, and Laguna Seca) within reasonable driving distance.

The Bay Area offers fine dining, culture, entertainment, and sports (Giants & A's, 49ers and Raiders). Sacramento has a nice triple-A ball club, the River Cats, as well as the NBA Kings.

Higher education is an easy drive to UC Davis, Sacramento State, Sierra College in Rocklin, University of the Pacific in Stockton, and several community colleges in Sacramento.

The BAIC has the largest presence of Subaru Impreza enthusiasts in the world!

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Old 08-25-2003, 09:56 PM   #16
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Which is why we need you out here, man, there's like 3 legacies in Cali

Seriously, though, knowing what you've got sitting in your apartment, Nevada might be a much better idea, as there are little to no smog regs........if anything, might just be a sniffer test (which any decently running turbo should pass), but no visual, which is the killer in California. You'll have to smog every 2 years, too, so it's not practical to do an illegal motor swap that requires the intricacies a Suby has.... there's a reason so many WRX-RS swaps are running around in CA, besides the obvious fact that's it's a killer car, and it's that a WRX swap is the only way to legally turbo your ride.


Now, I'm not saying there's not ways around it (shady smog shops, etc) but it's a serious pain, and at odds with the number of highly modded cars running around in the bay area and down south. Oh, you'll have to smog your car when you bring it into the state, too, there is no grace period.
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Old 08-25-2003, 09:56 PM   #17
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Yeah, you can get a 4 bed/2.5 bathroom in Tennesee for like $105,000, but you're also getting paid 60% less.
Being from that area (specifically, Huntsville AL which is just south of the TN line)....

We definitely get hosed in CA on housing. The EFFECTIVE pay (i.e. AFTER taxes) in AL or TN if you live in a "metro" area is less than here.....but probably more on the order of 15-20% less.

Housing is not only 1/3 the $$$, but there are more "cheap" options available. Sure you can get the "really nice" house (4BR, 2.5 BA, 2000 sq ft, 2 car garage, nice 1/3 acre yard, 2 car garage, GOOD part of town) for $120K but you can ALSO get a, well, "CA Sized" (i.e. smaller, about 1200 sq ft) house for quite a bit less.

For example, my brother and sis-in-law live in Huntsville. They have a really nice "smaller" house that is 1300 sq ft with a "deep" 1 car garage. The place also has a HUGE lot for being in the city....close to 1/2 acre I'd guess with nice fencing, landscaping, etc. The house is nice : hardwood floors, older house, brick, etc. Great neighborhood too.

And the cost for all this???? UNDER $100K!

If you go to only a "decent" neighborhood, you can get a similar size house on about a 5000 sq ft lot for only about $60K!

And this is all in town. Move to the country, things get a lot cheaper.

So, the moral : we get hosed on housing relative to income. We DON'T get hosed on cars relative to income though (as in, the "average" income can afford more car in CA than in AL) and food is relatively cheaper out here.

Other upside to CA : we have a LOT more Subaru's per capita in the Bay Area than most other parts of the country!
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Old 08-25-2003, 11:08 PM   #18
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I've spent a lot of time in TN (hence the choice of example) as my mother lives there. But if I knew where to look, I'm sure I could find data showing the median income to median housing cost ratio to be pretty similar between the 2 places. Also, "bay area" and the foothills are 2 different places when it comes to this stuff. the bay is insane, the foothills are just a bit pricy.

Besides, you're still living in alabama if you're paying those prices. Not usually what one is looking for if one is considering moving to California.
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