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Old 08-10-2003, 02:32 PM   #1
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Default Better platform for a daily dragger: WRX STI, WRX or RS??

WRX STI, WRX or RS...

I want to know what platform would be a better "daily dragger" for fitting a high HP engine (740 HP, 2.6 L, EJ26 stroker) and a 5 speed dog box or a b4 auto tranny even, I want the biggest "bang 4 buck", open to any suggestions.

Like I said I want it to be a dragger, but I want to be able to corner correctly too, ppl have told me to buy a used car (since both the engine and tranny must go for the upgrade), but the company that sells the engine only sell-in-exchange (they sell you the engine but they expect your's in return AND in reusable CONDITION), so I can't take chances with a used car. Bottom line I just want a 700 HP subbie that can do 9 seconds!!!!

I'm new as you can see, so if nothing makes sense at all let me know....
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Old 08-10-2003, 02:40 PM   #2
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Hows about a Justy, talk about a Sleeper
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Old 08-10-2003, 02:43 PM   #3
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Yep want to be able to haul booty, and still look like a normal sedan!!
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Old 08-10-2003, 02:54 PM   #4
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I gave it some thought and since the STI is the stronger more top of the line model of the imprezas, it could withstand that type of engine/tranny....right????

C'mon ppl, post me some knowledge!!!!
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Old 08-11-2003, 01:33 AM   #5
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Find an old cheap L model. Thats the best bet. They weigh ~200lbs less than an RS to start with, and everything else is upgradeable as neccessary. In fact, the first sub 10 second Impreza was an old mid 90's beater Impreza I believe that was built up down in Australia. Theres a vid of it floating around somewhere...
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Old 08-11-2003, 10:11 AM   #6
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any impreza with 740hp will be a crappy daily driver... it won't happen...
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Old 08-11-2003, 11:51 AM   #7
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i agree with dan 750 hp, subaru, daily driver don't go together

but kosta is right on .. buy an L (wagon?) if you need a short block for a core just watch the private section they come up quite regularly
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Old 08-11-2003, 12:58 PM   #8
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first buy a 2nd car, becuase if you try to daily drive the car you are describing you are going to be breaking stuff all the time and in general hating any time in the car except when you can open it up.

Second, for the project car I would get a AWD L and use that chassis for the buildup. You are going to need a cage in a beast like that, so that makes interior quality a moot point. What you should really do is strip the whole car, remove all sound deadening matieral, seam weld the chassis, weld the role cage in and then do the drivetrain. Good luck
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Old 08-11-2003, 02:01 PM   #9
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I hope you have an endless budget because you will need it. First off I believe all 9-second WRX's are using automatics. A B4 or more easily had SVX tranny will work. The last I heard the fastest WRX was a 9.40 and their car weighs in around 2800 with the driver so you won't need a superlight, but of course the lighter you are the less power you need. I think your hp numbers sound right, but you will need a couple 20-40 shots in their to get you off the line quickly and you will need to build the motor to have a wide and flat torque curve.

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Old 08-11-2003, 03:12 PM   #10
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The chassis strength is irrelevant when considering the engine going in. No matter which car you choose, the chassis will be reinforced with a rollbar. Since that must happen, it would be best to go with the oldest, lightest Impreza you can find. What's more, you add a rollbar and you are instantly not streetable due to safety concerns like padding, helmets, harnesses, etc.

As for that kind of power, it is going to require an infinite budget. Noting that the ESX 740 package is $28,500.00 excluding the car and everything else that would prepare the car for this. What is more, that is not going to use a turbo that is anywhere near streetable. It will drink race gas, spool well above 5k RPM, and will not be friendly to shift. If you go with the dogbox then, well, its a dogbox which is on the verge of streetability. If you go with an auto tranny, it will need a high stall converter which will also not be streetable.

The fact that they require a core should be the least of your concern. Buying a used car to do the job right won't even come with the correct engine for the core exchange.

If you want a 9 second car, I would look for a Supra, an RX7, or a domestic of some sort. They can pull off the 9 second streetable much more easily than a high-strung 2.anything liter four banger.

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Old 08-11-2003, 07:43 PM   #11
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Thankss ppl, I guess I'll just put in a stroker kit, some cylinder heads *heav duty* and put in some other goodies without having to turn it into a dragster, I just want a kick ass soobie, and If I have to sacrifice driveability for acceleration...I'd rather just stay stock....
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Old 08-12-2003, 05:23 AM   #12
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Dude, drag-racing in a Subaru is like hiring a prostitute to tutor your children in mathematics. She might be able to do it, but probably won't do a good job, and there are other purposes that she's more suited for.



By the way, why do you want to run a 9-second quarter mile? Bragging rights? To impress women? Seriously, why? Have you ever experienced a car that does a 12 or 13-second quarter mile? That's pretty fast to me, and much faster than that in a Subaru gets you into the 'no longer streetable' category.


Personally, I would not drag race a Subaru, they're much better for rally , auto-x, roadrace, canyon carving, etc...

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Old 08-12-2003, 08:14 PM   #13
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Dude, drag-racing in a Subaru is like hiring a prostitute to tutor your children in mathematics. She might be able to do it, but probably won't do a good job, and there are other purposes that she's more suited for.



By the way, why do you want to run a 9-second quarter mile? Bragging rights? To impress women? Seriously, why? Have you ever experienced a car that does a 12 or 13-second quarter mile? That's pretty fast to me, and much faster than that in a Subaru gets you into the 'no longer streetable' category.


Personally, I would not drag race a Subaru, they're much better for rally , auto-x, roadrace, canyon carving, etc...

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Thanks for the info, I just drove a porsche once and I got hooked on the HP numbers , but I can't afford such a car (just want a subaru), but that's why I posted here so ppl with more knowledge than myself would steer me inthe right direction...
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Old 08-12-2003, 10:06 PM   #14
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Hows about a Justy, talk about a Sleeper
I still dream of someday having a 2000lb AWD Subaru Justy with a beefed up autotranny, Stage 4 WRX engine with a 50 shot of nitrous.

If I had the $$$, I would have this built and I wouldn't care what ANYONE had to say about it. It would be a daily driver to boot.

I had a website about a guy who was going to put a 2.5ltr motor in his engine but he stopped and I can't remember why. I was rooting for him. Dayum!


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Ahh...here's that site-->Project Justy
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Old 08-13-2003, 03:49 AM   #15
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Well from what ive seen, RS's and L's with WRX engine swaps run mid-high 12's with little to no mods.... So if you just throw on some standard issue WRX mods on a L conversion car and loose ~200 more lbs you can probably run 11's easy. With nitrous and some internal work, dare I say 10's?
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Old 08-13-2003, 10:37 PM   #16
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WRX STI, WRX or RS...

I want to know what platform would be a better "daily dragger" for fitting a high HP engine (740 HP, 2.6 L, EJ26 stroker) and a 5 speed dog box or a b4 auto tranny even, I want the biggest "bang 4 buck", open to any suggestions.
And you can't affort a a porsche.......

Seriously, I would budget around $80,000+ to build up and tune a car like that, and then more $$$ to keep it running at those power levels

Now, back to the real world.....

Why don't you tell us what your budget is, what your mechanical skills are, time available to spend working on or waiting for a car to be built, and then, since we are really nice people, we can tell you roughtly what is attainable.

If you want a custom setup at a reasonable price, I personally suggest a full sti ra Ver. 7-8 swap into a GC chassis of some sort. Then strap on a 20g turbo, WI and all the other supporting mods needed. Do all the suspension, brake, and apearance mods. This should run you in the range of $30K total, depending on how much work you do yourself, and how tight of a budget you keep. It should run DEEP into the 11's (maybe even high 10's with N20) if the car is light enough. It will be fairly streetable too, just a be a little laggy.

The more sane alternative is to just buy an STi and do a "stage 4" setup on that - upgraded turbo, fuel, exhaust, ecu. That should be good for high 11's.

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Old 08-13-2003, 11:11 PM   #17
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I-speeds 2.8L stroker some kind of huge garett like a t-60 and a budget a 1/4 mile long.

Read up www.spdusa.com and get a reaistic view of things.
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Old 08-13-2003, 11:56 PM   #18
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"Well from what ive seen, RS's and L's with WRX engine swaps run mid-high 12's with little to no mods.... So if you just throw on some standard issue WRX mods on a L conversion car and loose ~200 more lbs you can probably run 11's easy. With nitrous and some internal work, dare I say 10's?"

I agree but with the older chassis remember to upgrade the drivetrain!!! I'm finishing up on my EJ20 swap into my 94 L which is roughly 500 lbs less than the regular WRX. That is reasonably cheap speed.
Hope this helps, Micah
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Old 08-14-2003, 12:55 AM   #19
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And you can't affort a a porsche.......

Seriously, I would budget around $80,000+ to build up and tune a car like that, and then more $$$ to keep it running at those power levels

Now, back to the real world.....

Why don't you tell us what your budget is, what your mechanical skills are, time available to spend working on or waiting for a car to be built, and then, since we are really nice people, we can tell you roughtly what is attainable.

If you want a custom setup at a reasonable price, I personally suggest a full sti ra Ver. 7-8 swap into a GC chassis of some sort. Then strap on a 20g turbo, WI and all the other supporting mods needed. Do all the suspension, brake, and apearance mods. This should run you in the range of $30K total, depending on how much work you do yourself, and how tight of a budget you keep. It should run DEEP into the 11's (maybe even high 10's with N20) if the car is light enough. It will be fairly streetable too, just a be a little laggy.

The more sane alternative is to just buy an STi and do a "stage 4" setup on that - upgraded turbo, fuel, exhaust, ecu. That should be good for high 11's.

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Budget $100k, technical exp: NONE

But for what I've heard and learned from this car, I'd rather have a nice "street machine", money is not a problem, but I want to know everything there is to know before I dump all my money into, I also want a stylish, head turning car, that few (if any cars) can keep up with.

A stage 4, can someone tell me what that is?

Does it have something to do with the xs-engineering site, I went there and they have pretty good stuff, (or so I think)

Thankxxx
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www.cobbtuning.com
www.turboxs.com
www.rallispec.com
www.spdusa.com
www.dyno-comp.com
www.axispowerracing.net


Ive heard xs-engineering guys are rude... and just watch out theres a LOT of so called tuners out there who will just take your money and leave.
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Budget $100k, technical exp: NONE

But for what I've heard and learned from this car, I'd rather have a nice "street machine", money is not a problem, but I want to know everything there is to know before I dump all my money into, I also want a stylish, head turning car, that few (if any cars) can keep up with.

A stage 4, can someone tell me what that is?

Does it have something to do with the xs-engineering site, I went there and they have pretty good stuff, (or so I think)

Thankxxx
Well, in that case, just go directly to Cobb, tell them your budget and goals, and they will build you up a subaru-supercar.

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www.cobbtuning.com
www.turboxs.com
www.rallispec.com
www.spdusa.com
www.dyno-comp.com
www.axispowerracing.net


Ive heard xs-engineering guys are rude... and just watch out theres a LOT of so called tuners out there who will just take your money and leave.
Thankx for the sites and the advice, I have a lot to learn, can U give me some more specs on the WRX STI? I just love the way the car looks, sounds and performs (my neighbor just got one!!!, I envy him)

I can't buy one right now (spending money on certifications), but I'm getting one next year.

SO what are the tuning capabilities of this engine? (2004 WRX STI) without stroking or modding it. And what exactly is a stage 4???

Thankxxxx
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If you've got $100K to play with, go to Cobb Tuning, or contact the Rigoli's directly, especially seek out the Rigoli's if you want to drag race, that's their specialty.

Trey Cobb was one of the original Subaru tuners in America, way before the WRX was brought to the USA. He has a very professional shop in Utah I think, and builds engines for some of the top Subaru people in America, including a few class-winning SCCA ProRally cars. Check their website www.cobbtuning.com


With your budget, I would imagine something like this:

**'93-95 Impreza (lightweight chassis) , stripped & reinforced.
**2.5L turbo motor from USDM STi , modified by COBB tuning, just tell them what you want to do, and how much you want to spend.
**front & rear bumpers, & wide-body fender kit as found in The limited-production Impreza 22B

top view pic (link)


Those would be the essentials, in my opinion. If you can't find the 22B fenders, there is another company, Knight Motorsports in Fontana CA, that makes similar widebody fenders for the old-style Subarus. The Knight's kit is quite a bit wider, but a bit more blocky-looking, some people think it's ugly, but I think it's nice.

Knight Fenders (unpainted)



And if you happen to be in Southern California, and are looking for a good shop to put it all together, , in my opinion they're kinda small, but they do great work, and you'll be hard pressed to find a crew more knowledgeable or friendly than Steve Don and Sean.

Good luck,
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Raziel777, where are you located?

In my opinion, unless you go to a very reputable shop like Cobb Tuning, Lachute Subaru, or Rallispec, you better do a hell of a lot of research before you spend or you are going to get gouged hardcore.

At $100k, you can get a ton of really sick cars. It may just be better for you to buy a factory supercar and call it quits.

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dude go to motorx and get your self a 02 gtr v spec II add 20k and you can get the twin ball bearing set up.
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