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Old 08-24-2003, 11:04 PM   #1
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Default TWE Cams vs Cobb Mild/Spicy Cams

I'm seriously considering buying a set of more agressive cams for my 1999 DOHC EJ25 Legacy. I want something that doesn't require me to raise my redline, but I don't mind a lumpy idle or a CEL.
Japan Automotive doesn't make DOHC cams but Cobb Tuning as well as Tech Works Engineering do. I found specs on both of these companies' stage 1/mild cams. What's the difference between the two? Which would you buy?

EDIT: I'm also running a Rallitek Intake and MRT Full Headerback Exhaust. I'm also considering Cobb Spicy Cams. I've included specs below.

Stock DOHC Cams
Valve Lift (Inches)
intake - 0.325
exhaust - 0.286
Duration (Degrees)
intake - 205
exhaust - 210

TWE Stage I DOHC Cams
Valve Lift (Inches)
intake - 0.345
exhaust - 0.350
Duration (Degrees)
intake - 213
exhaust - 207

Cobb Tuning Mild DOHC Cams
Duration @ 0.050" 208/218 degrees
Intake Lift 0.355"
Exhaust Lift 0.355"

Cobb Spicy (Club Racer) DOHC Cams
Duration @ 0.050" 226/218 degrees
Intake Lift 0.360"
Exhaust Lift 0.360"
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Old 08-25-2003, 10:43 PM   #2
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I think this question is quite broadly pertinent, even for those without DOHC.

As, a third-party opinion doesn't seem forthcoming, have you spoken with or gotten an opinion from either manufacturer?
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Old 08-26-2003, 12:05 AM   #3
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Not to hijack this thread, but... perhaps this would be an excellent opportunity for some knowledgeable folks to discuss the finer points of cam timing, overlap, and the like. I know my knowledge is somewhat limited here. I find it interesting that the TWE's have slightly less exhaust duration than the stock cams, yet the Cobb's have 8 degrees more than stock! Whereas almost the reverse is true for the intake timing. What gives?

As there are so many variables in designing a camshaft (though I can only think of 5 off the top of my head) what truly does make a good cam?
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Old 08-26-2003, 12:37 AM   #4
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Posted Below is my Correspondence with TWE:
Alex,

Thanks for your question.

Keep in mind that you will not get true cam numbers from any
manufacturer. For example, we have compared our SOHC cams to a measured
set of our competitors SOHC cams and the published information was not
completely accurate.

Judging by the information you've provided, the two cam grinds are quite
close. We have slightly different duration on both the exhaust and
intake.

It is extremly difficult to compare the two cams' performance due to the
complexity of valvetrain dynamics, and the large variance between
engines and modifications. I suspect that they would perform close
depending on what other modifications have been done. Our cams are
designed to compliment our other components, such as our equal length,
merge collector header.

I hope this has been helpful.

Thanks again.

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I'm seriously interested in purchasing your Stage 1 DOHC Cams for the
Subaru EJ25. However, I'm also considering Cobb Tuning's mild cams. Can
you tell me how your cams compare to Cobb's?

Here are Cobb's Specs:
Duration @ 0.050" 208/218 degrees
Intake Lift 0.355"
Exhaust Lift 0.355"

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I'm also starting to consider the Cobb Spicy Cams. I feel like they may be more worth the large amount of money that I would pour into this initiative.

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Old 08-26-2003, 10:29 AM   #5
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well from what i understand from cobb's site, the only major difference between the stage 1 and 2 cams are that stage 2's are designed to raise the redline and stage 1's are designed mostly for the stock redline, which leads me to believe the longer duration on the stage 2 is for allowing more air in under higher rpm conditions

the reason that cobb can have a shorter duration then the twe's and stock for intake is because of the increased lift over both, and was probably done to eliminate some overlap, at least this is how i understand it

which also leads me to believe the cobbs are a higher volume/lower velocity intake cam then the twe's so they might make better low end torque, just a guess though, but i'm considering usual NA intake theory
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Old 08-26-2003, 12:20 PM   #6
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Alex,
I answered your thread over on Cobb's forum, but will add a few more thoughts here as well. That response from Keith as TWE seems like a smoke screen of bull. He didn't answer your question at all. Where are their HP claims and dyno graphs? Nobody seems to be able to get that info from them regarding their headers either. How about some real empirical evidence.
His evasive remarks about Cobb's grind could be a mistake on their part. If they had a 1st generation set of Cobb cams and compared them to the newer specs, they would be different because Cobb changed them slightly. I have a tendency to distrust anyone who focuses their efforts on discrediting the competition instead of touting their own product and proceeding to back it up with real #'s.

When Cobb first released their cams 3 years ago, they posted a dyno graph right here on this forum with a bunch of analysis to back it up. As they developed their cylinder heads and bench flowed the EJ25's, they were right here writing tech articles for our members and sharing their data and research. That leads me to have a greater trust for Trey and his crew even if they are taking forever to design the parts I want for my next upgrades.

TWE's stuff may be real pretty, and I have no doubt it performs better than stock, but is it the best? Until they show me some data to back it up, I am going to guess, not!!! I am just surprised that Keith didn't pull out the old,"Cobb's are regrinds, and ours are not", which, BTW, Trey and Josh have explained the reasoning behind more times than I care to remember.
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Old 08-26-2003, 03:41 PM   #7
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I didn't find TWE's answer to be evasive at all. Just general given the info provided.

I didn't see anything about adding negative comments to any other make of cam as you did(quite vigorously, and personally).

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Old 08-26-2003, 04:57 PM   #8
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Do you guys think the 4EAT can take full advantage of the Spicy Cams? Also, aren't the street performer cams designed more for an otherwise stock car while the club racer cams would take better advantage of my intake and exhaust modifications? I don't really plan to ever do any headwork or expensive engine management. I'm wondering if the spicy cams are still worth it. Does the difference in power production differ more between the two on a intake/exhaust modified car?
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Do you guys think the 4EAT can take full advantage of the Spicy Cams? Also, aren't the street performer cams designed more for an otherwise stock car while the club racer cams would take better advantage of my intake and exhaust modifications? I don't really plan to ever do any headwork or expensive engine management. I'm wondering if the spicy cams are still worth it. Does the difference in power production differ more between the two on a intake/exhaust modified car?
spicy cams are for maximum power and raised redline... the street are for stock redline...
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Old 08-26-2003, 05:15 PM   #10
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oh... btw... the two you mentioned aren't the only cams available for ya...

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=406771

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Alex,
I apologize in advance for threadjacking, but feel the need to speak my mind...

Jay Storm,
I am a consumer with an opinion and not a vendor. On a public forum like this I will vigourously state my opinion and it was only personal towards Keith as a reference to the source. It was not meant as a slight towards Keith personally. But especially with the number of fly by night tuners(I am not saying TWE is one of them, DO NOT MISQUOTE me) I hold the vendors to a higher standard. The people who know me, know that in discussions of a technical nature I stay away from making it peronal. But as said, I found his response more vague than as you called it,"general". Saying that you can't trust any manufacturers specs is a non-answer. And furthermore, it leads me to question their product even more because he said to trust no-one. That would include them, I guess.

In my business dealings I stick to positive selling not negative selling. Like I said, I personally question companies who use those sort of negative selling tactics and considered the example of a competitors cams just that. They didn't name Cobb, but how many cam vendors are there making cams for the EJ25? Not too many.
I realize Alex didn't directly ask him for HP #'s or Dyno's, but if you want someone to believe in your product, don't you want to try and sell them on it? I answer all the e-mails off my company's website, and believe me, any good reason why the person asking the question should consider buying our product will be part of my response. Maybe my standards are too high, but I expected the Marketing Director of a reputable tuner to give a better answer. The face you present to the public directly influences their opinion of your product, and that is the primary reason I would encourage further research in to their product before buying. I am a born skeptic and my remarks regarding me thinking their product may not be the best is based on a lack of evidence to convince me that it is the best. Cobb Tuning has presented me with the best evidence that they have the best product, and that is what I base my opinion on. I am always happy around here to admit when I am wrong, but until I see empirical evidence to the contrary, I would personally buy the Cobb cams.
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Tech Works Engineering Inc. has not paid for the privilege to post as a vendor. Therefore I feel it would be unfair to those that did, and to the membership of this forum, for us to use this venue as a medium to sell our products. Occasionally we chose to reply to threads that call-us-out, such as this one.

Matt, you are right, I worded my response incorrectly. My comment regarding cam numbers was stated it as if it was an absolute, which could be taken to accuse other manufacturers of misrepresentation. I apologize to any and all, that I may have offended. This was not intended as a negative comment. I understand the necessity to protect technology, as Matt pointed out, there are many fly-by-night tuners out there and some choose to steal and copy. Let me clarify my statement. After speaking with a couple of large companies that grind cams professionally, it is my understanding that most companies will not accurately state their cam numbers so as to avoid being an easy target for copying.

However Matt, I personally take offence to your accusation that I attempted to discredit another manufacturer’s product. This is false. My communication shows that I focus on the features and benefits of our own designs and let the customer decide for his or herself. I also take offence to the use of this forum for personally attacking me. If you have some constructive criticism of my selling methods, please send me a personal message or email me at work. I welcome it. It pushes me to improve, and prevents me from being complacent. I admit that this response was not complete. I would love to provide dyno charts for all of our products. They are simply not available. We are performing dyno tests on our exhaust pieces right now. The results will be posted on our website, since we are not a NASOIC Vendor.

Matt, I only hope that TWE’s customers are as passionate about our product as you are about Cobb’s.

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PS Our cams are also regrinds.
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Keith,
I do apologize if I offended you. What I read appeared to me to be negative selling and I admit I was probably too harsh in my comments, especially on a more personal level. And I have obviously mis-understood the statements in your response and you have definitely clarified it for me.
Furthermore, don't get me wrong. I have heard nothing but good things about your products from the happy customers that are using your products. I think my statements that I think Cobb's cams are the best (it was a Cobb cams vs TWE cams thread afterall) were reversed to suggest that I saying your cams sucked. I never meant that, but re-reading my posts, I could totally see how I could have given that impression.
And I guess I mis-read when I visited your site last week. I thought they were fresh grinds. my bad
But like I said in my post, I am not too proud to admit when I am in the wrong. It's funny because I stopped coming around this forum mostly because there was too much of this kind of crap, and now here I am the guilty party. Like I said, I am sorry.
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Old 08-27-2003, 01:35 PM   #14
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Default advertised cam spefications

Here is the facts on what apears to many as misrepresentation of cam specification differences between manufacturers.
Cam specs are only comparable if the cam lobe profiles compared are absolutely identical. Not a likely situation. Also, you may have noticed that some manufacturers use different lift points to indicate duration. Some use .050" lift as the measurement point, I tend to use .040" because it is equal to 1mm and is the number we most often used during our superbike development phase. This is done to eliminate introducing long acceleration ramps into the duration measurement. It also provides a more consistent point to determine lobe center angles and lobe seperation angles.
Now, you may ask, why don't manufacturers just specify lift at several angles of measurement. Well, a savvy engineer, given enough of these data points, could perform a spline curve extrapolation, and quickly come up with a fairly representative cam lobe profile on his/her own. The simple way to steal a manufacturers design is to buy one set of cams and have them profiled by another cam grinder. TWE has been a victim of this of this in the past (There are more "TWE profile" cams in cars out there than we have sold).

At TWE we employ the following method of developing cam profiles.
-Flow bench (preferrably pulsing, so duration based flow numbers can be gathered, and mass flow aproximations can be perfomed) data must be gathered.
- Velocity gradients are determined with flow bench pitot tube measurements.
- All above data is integrated over the valve actuation/lift domain using numerical iteration methods (Software) until the maximum total mass flow per cycle is achieved.
- Empirical testing (dyno, road testing, acceleration) is used to fine tune lobe centers and lobe seperation.

The preceding is a very generalised overview of our cam development technique at TWE.

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TWE rockS!!!

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So have we concluded that we can't determine the performance of a cam from these specifications?
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Alex,
I think that's the conclusion. It is unfortunate that noone that actually has the TWE's posted to provide a testimonial. It would be nice to see 1/4 times before and after or G-tech #'s( even though G-tech's are only midly accurate) so we have some sort of idea of their performance.

I did pm Keith offline, and he explained to me that part of their issue is they don't have an AWD dyno anywhere near them to do the testing. He said they are doing some testing this weekend and the #'s will be up on their site soon. But he only mentioned testing the headers which I had specifiacally asked about. Hopefully, they will have more than one car they are running and have one with cams to test as well...
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TWE's stuff may be real pretty, and I have no doubt it performs better than stock, but is it the best? Until they show me some data to back it up, I am going to guess, not!!! I am just surprised that Keith didn't pull out the old,"Cobb's are regrinds, and ours are not", which, BTW, Trey and Josh have explained the reasoning behind more times than I care to remember.
Matt,

Something to keep in mind that you probably aren't aware - at least you don't seem to be aware of it... TWE builds the motor's for Irish Mike's 2.5 RS race cars in World Challenge. Cobb Tuning doesn't. Whereas neither Keith nor Tom feel the need to tout this, I feel free to since I'm not the "vendor" here. This fact in and of itself is enough testimonial. Now, we're talking about engines with much more radical mods than just cams, but if TWE can build NA EJ25s putting out 300 HP that are reliable enough to race in a professional series then... you draw your own conclusions. The HP numbers are not claimed by TWE, but they are by Irish Mikes. Check Mikes website for details. And no, this doesn't qualify as does an actual dyno for this particular cam, but it very much does provide a hint that there's a lot more going on at TWE than you realize... and that the people behind the products know what they're doing.

I hope this helps clarify some things for other readers of this post, also.

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Matt,

Something to keep in mind that you probably aren't aware - at least you don't seem to be aware of it... TWE builds the motor's for Irish Mike's 2.5 RS race cars in World Challenge. Cobb Tuning doesn't. Whereas neither Keith nor Tom feel the need to tout this, I feel free to since I'm not the "vendor" here. This fact in and of itself is enough testimonial. Now, we're talking about engines with much more radical mods than just cams, but if TWE can build NA EJ25s putting out 300 HP that are reliable enough to race in a professional series then... you draw your own conclusions. The HP numbers are not claimed by TWE, but they are by Irish Mikes. Check Mikes website for details. And no, this doesn't qualify as does an actual dyno for this particular cam, but it very much does provide a hint that there's a lot more going on at TWE than you realize... and that the people behind the products know what they're doing.

I hope this helps clarify some things for other readers of this post, also.

- Steve Sulatycki
Steve,
aren't you the one making assumptions now? I had been to TWE's site and was well aware of Mikes car. That has absolutely nothing to do with how their street cams perform or if they clear emissions, or are durable, etc. etc. In my mind because a company builds race cars doesn't automatically qualify them to move in to the realm of streetable "hot rod" Subarus. Race teams generally have more money to spend and the ability to rebuild engines that blow up. The race track is the forum for a lot of experimentation and real time R&D. To make a really bad comparison, NASCAR races cars share nothing with the street cars they mimick. It is really apples and oranges in many ways.
You cannot run a 300hp EJ25 or street gas or get it street legal.
I personally am building a 240-250hp NA EJ25 that will be my daily driver. And I am not building something that is going to blow after 10K mi.
And I have been talking to TWE about the build.
What has convinced me of TWE's credibility is my private conversations with Keith at TWE in the last week. I wouldn't have posted my comments about them getting some dyno numbers if I had written them off. And when I said I wished there were some owner testimonials of street driven RS's running their stuff, it is because I want to hear what people think. But maybe you missed my apology and all that stuff and skipped to reply after just my first 2 posts???
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What has convinced me of TWE's credibility is my private conversations with Keith at TWE in the last week.
This is all that matters, IMO. Glad you got things worked out.

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We have not paid for vendor status here, but I am trying not to slant my post that way. Just help the info “gene pool” a little. As I am sure Tom would agree; we are still enthusiasts.

I have to agree with what Tom said. There are a lot of differences in how cams are advertised. The main factor is what lift they are rated at. We use the same methods as TWE to determine cam profiles, and as I am sure TWE does we take the most common (or our own) modifications into account. We can also do custom grinds if you have modifications that are not the norm or you have a particular grind in mind.

Cam design is as complex as head porting, header design, and engine construction. Everything on the car must be taken into account and made to suit the other factors involved. In turn those other components depend on that part. It sounds complex, and it is as the engine is a system. What works with one engine or engine design may not work with another. If I ever get the time for my all-motor car I enjoy and almost dread what I will have to do to since I am venturing into somewhat unknown territory for a Subaru. I will likely have to try several cam grinds, make a testing header that I can modify easily, make the final header, test ITB runner lengths, not to mention the tuning involved. In an attempt to make it a bit easier and have something that resembles low end torque, I will likely wait to get my grubby hands on some of the variable cam timing heads.

We have also had our cams (as well as many other pieces) inspected and copied. I try to take it as a form of flattery to the companies like ourselves and TWE that actually do research and development on our own. The imitators always tend to get something wrong anyway.

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"We have not paid for vendor status here, but I am trying not to slant my post that way. Just help the info “gene pool” a little. As I am sure Tom would agree; we are still enthusiasts. "

Until this thread, I had no idea vendors were charged to post here. I do appreciate you guys sharing your knowledge in an objective and unbiased manner. It show professionalism that reflects highly on both your companies.
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I think the average fee is about $100 a month to be a vendor. Why do you think there are so many other companies on the web, but that they aren't here.
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because cobb is getting lots of buisness and good press already from us, so why should they become vendors.
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