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Old 11-15-2000, 05:36 AM   #1
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Question Decision Time ...

Okay, here's the deal-e-o.

The wife and I have a kid on the way and as such we are finally looking in to station wagons! Woohoo!! (No, really. I WANT a station wagon). Anyways, we need some input. We're looking at the Outback, Outback Ltd., and Legacy GT (and the Volvo V40). We've driven the Outback and V40, and my wife really likes the Outback. I'd like to step up to an Outback Ltd. because this is a vehicle we'll probably keep for a while. We have not, however, had the chance to drive a GT wagon. If we get the Suby, we'll almost definitely get the 5-speed. So, my question is - how does the Legacy GT wagon drive? Does it drive like the sedan? Our dealership just got a sedan in and our salesman said we could take it out later this week after it's been prepped, etc.

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Old 11-15-2000, 07:40 AM   #2
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Get a WRX wagon in the spring.
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Old 11-15-2000, 07:48 AM   #3
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I second the thought on the WRX wagon. Is that even an option you're considering right now?
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Old 11-15-2000, 07:54 AM   #4
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Seems to me the V40 is WAY smaller inside than an Outback or Legacy GT Wagon. Smaller even than an Impreza Wagon/OBS from what I remember.
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Old 11-15-2000, 07:55 AM   #5
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the GT wagon does indeed drive very similarly to the Sedan...

are you mainly interested in feel of the car?
suspension?
hp?
comfort?
what are you looking for out of this purchase?

u have options you know.
the new H6 is now available...
or you can indeed wait for the WRX wagon...
then there's always the GT...

????
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Old 11-15-2000, 08:38 AM   #6
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A black GT wagon tinted would look so dang badddda$$. I saw one whiel I was in a restaurant. Man it looked tre kewl. Screw the Avant wagons in terms of coolness.
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Old 11-15-2000, 10:28 AM   #7
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Our main thing was my wife likes the ride of the Outback. We can't wait until the spring to get the WRX, so that's unfortunately out of the question.

With respect to the Legacy GT, we're a bit concerned the ride will be too stiff due to the sports suspension. We're gonna go drive the sedan tonight and see how it rides, and then go from there.

The V40 is in the mix mainly becuase Volvo is offering an excellent deal on a lease ... 39 months for about $380/month with only $100 out of pocket.
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Old 11-15-2000, 11:23 AM   #8
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Don't get sucked into a lease!!! I know a manager of a car lot,(gresham subaru), and when I went to get a new car he told me that "no matter what, don't get a lease! It is NEVER BENEFICIAL TO THE BUYER!" He is a very good friend and I trust him, I got suckered into a lease on a nisan pickup once before, and I got doinked out of alot of money....ok breathe....breathe....ok..I'm ok. Just a friendly warning, I hate seeing people get screwed out of their money.
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Old 11-15-2000, 11:37 AM   #9
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AudiGuy-- what's the residual? The mileage limits? Overmileage penalty? The three data points you provided on the V40 lease sound good alright but there is more than one way to get screwed by a lease.
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Old 11-15-2000, 11:44 AM   #10
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As far as I know, it isn't possible to get the H6 with a 5 spd manual.
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Old 11-15-2000, 11:57 AM   #11
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Okay, I've leased before and I know what to look out for and what to worry about ... I'm not too worried about that.

No, the H6 doesn't come w/ a manual but the standard Outback Ltd. does.
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Old 11-15-2000, 01:39 PM   #12
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The Volvo S/V40 is also known as the Mitsubishi Carisma (built on the same production line, but with a different engine). Neither of these cars has received amazing reviews, and neither of them excel in their class -- they are strictly "average". I'd go for any of the Subaru before the Volvo, in this case.

A quick quote I dug up from a review of the Volvo:

"'Underneath it's a Volvo' is the copyline that accompanies a chromium-plated shape that immediately screams this is not a proper Volvo. Proper Volvos are angular, estately and singular. Unfortunately the V40 is what it is - step-sister to a Mitsubishi, and it shows. No wonder Volvo see the need to remind its audience. Last year the 940 estate left me short of complimentary adjectives. The V40 simply left me cold. In case you were wondering the V stands for Versatile as opposed to the S for Saloon.

Curiously Volvo's press release does not mention that the V40 is built on the same production line as the Mitsubishi Carisma although the so-called 1.8 engine is Volvo-designed and built and exclusive to their version of the car despite having exactly the same swept volume as its Japanese relative. Incidentally, the 2.0-litre V40 shares a power unit with the 16-valve Renault Laguna - another example of Volvo's French Connection. My old 760 always pulled to the left whenever it went past a Peugeot garage."

...

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Old 11-15-2000, 01:53 PM   #13
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Don't forget the highly rated VW Passat wagon.
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Old 11-15-2000, 02:43 PM   #14
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Quote:
Gambit wrote:
Don't forget the highly rated VW Passat wagon.
Drove it last night and to be honest, we didn't find it all that comfortable. The seats were very firm and flat.
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Old 11-15-2000, 02:58 PM   #15
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Seats can be changed if you want to, the Passat is very nice. Remember though that the new Passat has just been released, and the new wagon may be nicer.

Of the choices you've listed, I'd say GT wagon, if you don't need the Outback's purposefulness. I drove a GT sedan, and it's a kick-butt car, though the 2.5 engine was so much sweeter in the RS, so I took that route.

Were it available in the Impreza wagon, I'd have bought that instead, hands-down.

Depending on your money situation, the Audi S4 Avant is another very, VERY serious choice. I'd be all over one of those!

Now then. Some eye candy.
Ladies and gentlemen, the Audi RS4.
Commence drooling.



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Old 11-15-2000, 03:05 PM   #16
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Siper, you bastard! MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ... RS4. Yeah, I was thinking if I won the lottery and took over the NHTSA I might import one of them there wagons over here. But not in yellow. I want a nice "stealthy" color like black. Man, imagine pulling that thing up to some know-nuthin' Crapstang GT driver, revving the engine at the light, and then leaving him wondering how the hell he'd just lost to a station wagon. Okay, now imagine my newly born baby puking all over the back seat!

Seriously, though. If I could afford an A4 Avant or an S4 Avant I'd get it in a heartbeat, but I can't. Oh well. It's always fun to dream.
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Old 11-15-2000, 04:44 PM   #17
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Look at it this way . . .

Your baby will develop a very strong neck!
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Old 11-15-2000, 06:01 PM   #18
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Okay, quick question ... are the side impact airbags available only in the Outback Ltd. worth an extra $20/month on a lease? Do they really help? TIA.
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Old 11-15-2000, 11:10 PM   #19
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the t-5 is the turbo model for the 40 series.
it is priced around the outback limited. just thought the advice might help. this may help too. i have owned (at the same time) a volov and a scooby. both were great. the volvo was much more refined, luxurious, and a better car to travel in. it was the car i would rather be seen in ( i had the saint's car) it was also very quick. the subaru (after mods is very quick too) it is more fun to drive when i want to have fun, but i don't care to drive it when i want to just drive somewhere. it is cheaper, more agile, and much less comfortable. again, just random comments

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ps-why does the mrs want a 5-speed. won't that be a hassle once tiny tim arrives?
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Old 11-15-2000, 11:10 PM   #20
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the t-5 is the turbo model for the 40 series.
it is priced around the outback limited. just thought the advice might help. this may help too. i have owned (at the same time) a volov and a scooby. both were great. the volvo was much more refined, luxurious, and a better car to travel in. it was the car i would rather be seen in ( i had the saint's car) it was also very quick. the subaru (after mods is very quick too) it is more fun to drive when i want to have fun, but i don't care to drive it when i want to just drive somewhere. it is cheaper, more agile, and much less comfortable. again, just random comments

matt

ps-why does the mrs want a 5-speed. won't that be a hassle once tiny tim arrives?
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Old 11-15-2000, 11:27 PM   #21
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I repeat...

DO NOT LEASE

It will only cost you MORE money in the long run. My cousin leased a car, and ended up paying an additional $4k!
Leases will RIP you off no matter WHAT the deal looks like. Get a loan!

Anyway, there are some other wagons:
Focus Wagon (you cant beat the price, and the ride/handling quality is on par with Outbacks minus AWD)
Jetta V6 Wagon (with AWD, coming soon)
BMW 3-series wagon (Sweet... but hurts to look at the price)
PT Cruiser (Put this one hear just for fun )


Eh, nevermind, wait 3 months and get the WRX Wagon or OBS New Impreza.
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Old 11-16-2000, 12:05 AM   #22
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i know that it may not be popular on this board, but volvo makes a fine car. i had a c-70 for about a year that was a fantastic car. the v-40 are really popular in the uk, and they are as safe as a tank. they don't offer all-wheel drive, but volovs are manufactured in sweeden (the place of snow). i love my scooby, but it is a different type of car. volvos are more refined, subarus can be more fun to drive. if you get the t-5, you can purchase one with a 5-speed and it will be faster than a legacy. are you considering a v-70? they have all wheel drive. just food for thought...

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Old 11-16-2000, 12:21 AM   #23
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Matt,

Lo that I could afford the V-70 or a T-5. Unfortunately, I'm only looking at the V40. Nonetheless, I did like the car, though my wife was somehow more impressed with the Suby. She really likes the AWD aspect. Although, one nice thing about the V40 is that it would be under warranty for the duration of the lease. A big bonus, IMHO.
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Old 11-16-2000, 04:35 AM   #24
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I thought all V40s were powered by the Volvo 1.9L turbo engine. I know the one we drove was (actually, it was an S40). I'm pretty sure that's how it works.
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Old 11-16-2000, 04:39 AM   #25
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AudiGuy,

Hey thanks for the compliment.

Howzabout the WRX wagon? Though I guess waiting that long isn't an option...



Ford Focus wagon? I actually like the Focus.

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