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Old 08-26-2003, 10:02 PM   #1
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what mods should i put in to make my car as fast as possible? and what kind of 1/4 mile would it be running?
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Old 08-26-2003, 11:01 PM   #2
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WRX swap..

otherwise... same amount of money, less power.
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Old 08-26-2003, 11:15 PM   #3
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staying NA, maybe high 13's, just ask dcoty, he's taken NA about as far as it can go, turbo is definitly the way to go
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Old 08-26-2003, 11:59 PM   #4
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Hey man,

I did a 14.20@94.34 with my car.

But this was with very poor tuning from Unichip (piggy back). A Link plus stand alone is in the car now and it is all tuned, as well as a 9lb flywheel. There are some great gains and the car just runs all around better. 3rd and 4th pull very bery hard and my low and mid range in the powerband is much much better. 13's are going to come next, i just have to get to the track...Im keeping my fingers crossed. All the car needed was some tuning. I also love the way the car drive...very very useable power, I dont have to rev to 8k to feel anything. We figure a good 25 hp was gained and we are going to a dyno sessiona nd tune the car a bit more in hopes of more power. Its a great setup im my opinion, but i might be biased.

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Old 08-27-2003, 09:30 AM   #5
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Hey man,

I did a 14.20@94.34 with my car.

But this was with very poor tuning from Unichip (piggy back). A Link plus stand alone is in the car now and it is all tuned, as well as a 9lb flywheel. There are some great gains and the car just runs all around better. 3rd and 4th pull very bery hard and my low and mid range in the powerband is much much better. 13's are going to come next, i just have to get to the track...Im keeping my fingers crossed. All the car needed was some tuning. I also love the way the car drive...very very useable power, I dont have to rev to 8k to feel anything. We figure a good 25 hp was gained and we are going to a dyno sessiona nd tune the car a bit more in hopes of more power. Its a great setup im my opinion, but i might be biased.

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you think you can hit the 200 whp barrier? Andres got up to 178whp and got his fabled 14.3... I'm assuming with 13s you'd be close to that plateau...
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Old 08-27-2003, 09:15 PM   #6
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Well, I would imagine I would be bale to meet that record, but I dont want to say anything until I actually do it. But I would imagine since we have very similar 1/4 times and similar traps we would be a close match,but since the LINk install, i think i might be able to pull ahead then, but Im very curious. The dyno time is after the 1/4 run which is next weekend, so Ill scedule it in as well as some tuning ont he dyno and see what I can do. Andreas set the bar high.

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Old 08-28-2003, 09:11 AM   #7
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Well, I would imagine I would be bale to meet that record, but I dont want to say anything until I actually do it. But I would imagine since we have very similar 1/4 times and similar traps we would be a close match,but since the LINk install, i think i might be able to pull ahead then, but Im very curious. The dyno time is after the 1/4 run which is next weekend, so Ill scedule it in as well as some tuning ont he dyno and see what I can do. Andreas set the bar high.

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Old 08-29-2003, 01:41 AM   #8
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Well, i have to work a 10-12 hour shift for work, but Ill see what I can do. Ill try to get to the 1/4 track this weekend, trust me, im going to try my best! Working saturday is never fun, but you gotta do what you gotta do!

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Old 08-29-2003, 01:37 PM   #9
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Well, i have to work a 10-12 hour shift for work, but Ill see what I can do. Ill try to get to the 1/4 track this weekend, trust me, im going to try my best! Working saturday is never fun, but you gotta do what you gotta do!

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All I can say is, 'good luck Dan'. I'm rooting for you. Even after you do your run(s), it's still not over by far. There are always SOMETHING that can be either changed, added or taken away. Even if absolutely nothing can be done, there is always cooler, less humid weather, stickier tracks, elevation, tires, different shift points, different shifting, different clutch slipping/dumping etc. It never ends.
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Old 08-29-2003, 03:24 PM   #10
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i have a 98 which is kinda the same but DOHC and i have 180 whp. My best pass ever was a 14.5@94mph (1.8 ~ 60'). My trq is 204 and i weigh 3005 with me in it. O and my clutch slipped off the line and had no bottle warmer at the time.

have: JC Sports intake, Zex n2o 55 shot, apexi s-afc, gfb pulleys, brullen header and cat, and stromung mid and muffler.

want: clutch and flywheel, and high 13's
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Old 08-29-2003, 03:42 PM   #11
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Doesn't the 55 shot of NO2 count as something other than NA?
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Doesn't the 55 shot of NO2 count as something other than NA?
yes the bottle does not count as naturally aspirated... you are artificially aspirating your motor...
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Old 08-29-2003, 04:44 PM   #13
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well its not forced induction. I was just postn what i got for some intresting numbers, while waiting for some doof to wreck a sti so i can have the motor and trans.
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well its not forced induction. I was just postn what i got for some intresting numbers, while waiting for some doof to wreck a sti so i can have the motor and trans.
not in the accepted sense, but yes, nitrous does force the induction of N02...
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Old 08-30-2003, 10:03 AM   #15
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breathing normally is breathing air. adding nitrous to the air means it;s not breathing normally any more. it's not forced induction, but more like "altered normal aspiration." you're doing more than just changing the subtleties of the way the car breathes like normal NA mods.. you're changing what it breathes.

however, I think of NOS on a NA car as a NA mod. just cause we have no "juice" forum and that mod usually belongs on this forum for NA cars. blah. yeah. word. still not "all motAr."

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ok i like the way that was worded except i have Zex not NOS, its like calling every hot tub a Jacuzzi. I happen to have a Jacuzzi tiolet and some never-heard-of brand hot tub.

"NA" im putting out 140whp and 144trq
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Old 09-01-2003, 12:36 PM   #17
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you think you can hit the 200 whp barrier? Andres got up to 178whp and got his fabled 14.3... I'm assuming with 13s you'd be close to that plateau...
178 WHP n/a??? What's under the hood? I just got my car dynoed with K&N, intake, headers, hi flow cat, 2.25" custom pipe to the A'pexi N1, Pro ECM, Magnecor/Torquemaster plugs & I got 99 WHP which I guess is 180 CHP...
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178 WHP n/a??? What's under the hood? I just got my car dynoed with K&N, intake, headers, hi flow cat, 2.25" custom pipe to the A'pexi N1, Pro ECM, Magnecor/Torquemaster plugs & I got 99 WHP which I guess is 180 CHP...
how only 99 whp with all that when our cars should be putting out 98 whp stock
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it's all about which dyno you are on... they are not created equal, which makes you wonder why it matters what the WHP is... how about the butt dyno, how it feels and how drivable it is... also makes the track times more relavent to me... of course there you can count in humidity, elevation, etc....
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it's all about which dyno you are on... they are not created equal, which makes you wonder why it matters what the WHP is... how about the butt dyno, how it feels and how drivable it is... also makes the track times more relavent to me... of course there you can count in humidity, elevation, etc....
Exactly. Unfortunately, there was no other stock NA cars on this dyno day, so I don't know what my base would be on that dyno, or what my gains are from my mods. Maybe 10, maybe 20 HP. I dunno.

Also, the dyno won't take into account real performance factors like light wheels/tires, pulleys, flywheels, drive shafts, etc. All these may register 1 HP on the dyno, while taking off significant time from the 1/4.

All I know is the WRX's that dynoed 130-140 WHP may be loosers at the track, given my lighter weight and 4:11 gears....But I doubt it.

BTW, the winner for the day was a STi w/ intake and exhaust mods: 230 WHP.
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Exactly. Unfortunately, there was no other stock NA cars on this dyno day, so I don't know what my base would be on that dyno, or what my gains are from my mods. Maybe 10, maybe 20 HP. I dunno.

Also, the dyno won't take into account real performance factors like light wheels/tires, pulleys, flywheels, drive shafts, etc. All these may register 1 HP on the dyno, while taking off significant time from the 1/4.

All I know is the WRX's that dynoed 130-140 WHP may be loosers at the track, given my lighter weight and 4:11 gears....But I doubt it.

BTW, the winner for the day was a STi w/ intake and exhaust mods: 230 WHP.
sorry, but that dyno is horribly calibrated... I know some dynos read low, but jebus!

actually a dyno will take into account all of those factors... anything that lightens the load for the drivetrain will show up to the wheels...

My car stock on cobb's dyno (mustang) is 122hp and tq... and with intake and proECM made 131hp and 139tq...
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sorry, but that dyno is horribly calibrated... I know some dynos read low, but jebus!

actually a dyno will take into account all of those factors... anything that lightens the load for the drivetrain will show up to the wheels...

My car stock on cobb's dyno (mustang) is 122hp and tq... and with intake and proECM made 131hp and 139tq...
The lightened drivetrain will allow faster acceleration, but higher numbers? The dyno doesn't care if it takes 10 seconds or 10 minutes to reach full power or torque, right?

IMO, Cobb's Mustang is pretty optimistic, even SCC showed a base stock WHP on Shiv's car at below 100 WHP. FWIW, the dyno I was on was set with ZERO correction.

Maybe somewhere in between is the real world? I dunno.
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Andrew,
You can't compare Andres 180+whp to your dyno run because of the different dynos. You are using the older Clayton type AWD dyno, which did test Shiv's stock 99 at 94 whp. So, your mods have gained you 4whp, which probably equates to 12-15 at the cranlk
The newer dyna-pack and dynojet 6000 AWD dynos test our cars and non AWD cars at very similar numbers for similar crank HP. Most people running stock on the newer AWD dynos are testing the RS in the low 120's whp.
Without cams and significant internal engine work, our cars are going to peak at around 185 chp because of the limits of BSFC.
Guys like Dan who are running fully built EJ25's with serious engine management are in the realm of 250 chp. No offense, but your car( like mine) needs a lot of work if you want to come play with the big boys in the NA world.
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.....No offense, but your car( like mine) needs a lot of work if you want to come play with the big boys in the NA world.
No doubt.

Is the Austrailian made "DynoLog" a Clayton type?
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Don't know, but if you are testing at UPRD like Shiv did, it is the Clayton.
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