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Old 09-04-2003, 11:26 AM   #1
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Default 2004 Legacy/Outback 2.5L Power Falls to 160hp in Some States

Reading the fine print on the Subaru.com website about the 2004 Legacy and Outback models, I noticed this on page http://www.subaru.com/shop/msrp/index.jsp:
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The 2004 Subaru Legacy and 2.5 liter Outback models, excluding Outback Sport, are now available as Super-Ultra Low Emission Vehicles (SULEV2) and are Partial Zero Emission Vehicle (PZEV) certified where required.

Legacy and Outback models which meet these requirements have a Base MSRP that is an additional $200 and are sold in California, Connecticut, New Hampshire, New York, Maine, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Vermont and some bordering states. The PZEV emission system warranty coverage is for 15 years or 150,000 miles, whichever comes first. Horsepower for these models is rated at 160hp@5600 rpm. For complete warranty information and vehicle details see your local Subaru dealer.
Max horsepower on non-SULEV2 2.5L engines is 165hp. It appears max torque is the same for both types of 2.5L engine.

So, if you buy a 2004 2.5L Legacy/Outback in my neck of the woods, you'll have the privilege of paying an extra $200 for 5 less hp.
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Old 09-04-2003, 11:29 AM   #2
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Said to jump to 170hp for next year, I've heard rumors of it moving to AVCS heads, others say no. No for sure word on that yet.
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Old 09-04-2003, 01:38 PM   #3
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Interesting catch. So, I guess the states that are listed below get the SULEV2 engine whether one wants it or not.

While 5HP is probably a small price to pay to win over the eco-friendly crowd, for some reason, it looks like a bigger drop on paper. I guess it's still within measurement error of most butt-dynos.

SOA is probably making some "EPA-room" for more turbos!

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Old 09-04-2003, 01:50 PM   #4
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Hey Ken, I'll drink to that!
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Old 09-06-2003, 01:06 AM   #5
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Since I am a firm believer that the EJ25 of late has more than 165HP it will be interesting to see if its a real 160, or its a "fake" 160 where the acutal output dropped by 5 but is still higher.

I'd swear based on the shape and strength of the powerband the bugeye TS/RS has to have around 180. Haven't driven a recent forester or legacy though.
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Old 09-06-2003, 01:05 PM   #6
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You must be the first guy to ever say that the EJ25 is stronger than it's specs lead us to think.
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Old 09-06-2003, 07:33 PM   #7
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huh? 180HP 166-170ft-lbs isn't going to move a 3200+ lbs legacy with any athority, even more so with a auto tranny or the usualy fuel milage ratios in the 5spd.

face it 15hp with no extra midrange torque is going to be nearly worthless unless you run the car hard all the time. That doesn't mean that it isn't there.

I'm basing this off of the small fact that the old EJ25 SOHC fell on its face at higher rpms (forgot where though its been so long). The bugeye SOHC had a touch more low end, same midrange, and kept pulling just as hard past the GC8 one's puke and die point.
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