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Old 02-18-2001, 05:59 PM   #1
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Here is my problem...

I absolutely love off-roading. So, of course, I want a truck. (By the way, for the off-roading I do, no subaru will cut it..sorry...I wish it would though!)

But at the same time, I love "performance driving on-road". So, of course, I want a sports car. (I currently drive a Front-Wheel Drive Chevy sedan)

Here is the thing though...I am so afraid that if I actually get a truck (probably a '01 Tacoma w/off-road package), I will hate myself every day I drive it on road because the handling of those things, are, well, not exactly the same as a good cars.

So could someone please help me just get over my sports-car handling thing...or am I really gonnna hate it every single day??

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Old 02-18-2001, 06:05 PM   #2
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dude, it's one or the other. I want to fly a helicopter to work every day, but I also want money. Life is full of decisions. Pick the RS, and be happy.
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Old 02-18-2001, 06:06 PM   #3
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Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.9 Limited. It's the only way to go if you can afford one (and find one).

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Old 02-18-2001, 07:11 PM   #4
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My solution:

Buy an older OBS 2.2l and a beater Jeep/Toyota to offroad. Both bases covered!
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Old 02-18-2001, 07:24 PM   #5
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My friend had a sports car and switched to a Ford Ranger. Even after a lift kit,bigger tires, borla exhaust, intake four new PIAA's and Baha grills front and rear, he still got sick of it. I say go with an RS and save yourself the trouble.
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Old 02-18-2001, 07:59 PM   #6
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Yes you will hate it...
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Old 02-18-2001, 08:10 PM   #7
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A Tacoma for offroad? You're not serious are you? Buy a Cherokee or something. (the grand cherokee is too much of a lux-mobile now) Or buy a wrangler.. they're cheap and then buy a used sports car. Personally If Im buying something for heavy duty offroad, Im thinking, cheap, and lots of junkyard parts.
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Old 02-18-2001, 08:11 PM   #8
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I wouldn't even start thinking that a RS is a offroad vehicle. Driving on a dirt road maybe, but nothing past that. It all depends on what you like to do. If your really into the offroad scene, pick up a truck. I own a 99 S-10 ZR2 and have never regretted my descision. It might not be the best handling vehicle on the road. But nothing touches it when the going gets tough.
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Old 02-18-2001, 08:12 PM   #9
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like a cj7 that and what other truck can you think of where portal axles are pretty easy to swap in if you can find a proper set for cheap? (if you don't know what portals are..i am too lazy to explain..4X4 sites should explain that and a dana rear end as well
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Old 02-19-2001, 01:55 AM   #10
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You will never get over the Handling issue... I just learned about it in the last couple of years, and its all I want in a car anymore!

But the Cherokee stinks off-road compaired to the eXterra or the upcoming Jeep Liberty (MT tested it along side the Cherrokee, Grand Cherokee, and the Wrangler, and it was on par with the Wrangler and the GC or C couldnt touch it! This was on one of those famous off-road trails here in california too... I forget the name.)
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Old 02-19-2001, 02:19 AM   #11
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Kosta - The Rubicon Trail? If that's the one well there's no way a mid sized 'ute could make it. And as far as the 5.9 Limited goes... not for real off roading. If you're going to take one off road, get a Laredo. I can't tell you how much easier it is to drive through shrubs with the unpainted cladding than with painted stuff. I've got a '99 WJ with a V8 and Quadra-drive, and it's awesome off road. If you want I'll give you mine for $25k.

And who said not to buy a Tacoma for off-roading? Wow. Toyota compact pickups are almost equals with the Wrangler/CJ in off-road prowess. The Jeep has a shorter wheelbase, giving it a slight advantage, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything else quite so nimble. Plus they are WAY more reliable than Cherokees. And they hold their resale better. If the local Toyota dealership had offered my $1k more for my Jeep I'd be driving a Tacoma SR5 now instead of an RS. (So I bought the RS without trading in my Jeep, what sense does that make?)
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Old 02-19-2001, 05:51 AM   #12
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I had an S-10 extended cab with the 4.3L and 5-speed. It wasn't 4WD and crappy in the NY snow, which was a big reason I liked the RS, but man.....do I like this car . I really liked that truck too, but a year after driving it I lost interest. Maybe if I had the ability to go off-road I would have liked it more, but after two years in the RS I get out of the car smiling every time. Go with the car.
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Old 02-19-2001, 07:13 AM   #13
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Get a beater for the off-road stuff you'll enjoy it much more. Here's a short list of good ones that are plentiful and have many parts available:
Jeep CJ or Wrangler--be prepared to sink $$$
Toyota 4x4 pick up--any year from 86up
Toyota 4runner--86' to 89'
Suzuki Samari--cheap, but good
Ford Broco II--even less reliable then CJs
Check out Offroad for good info and boards.
For the money you'd spend on a new p/u (Tacoma SR5s are like $22to24K right?)you could get one of these and a nice couple year old sporty car for like $12k to $15k. There are a lot of nice RSs in the classified section of this board. If I end up not getting a WRX I'm gonna get an older 4x4 and a 99/98 or so RS, Miata, Integra or GTI. I'll have a couple Gs left to mod up both.
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Old 02-19-2001, 07:21 AM   #14
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Get an old BRAT and beef er up. A nice lift kit, maybe an s/c if you trust one on that old of an engine.....you're set. Of course, it wont handle the same as a sports car or an RS....but better than your average "truck"
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Old 02-19-2001, 08:04 AM   #15
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I'm sticking with the 5.9 Limited. Ya it may scratch easier, but if you're worried about that don't go off-roading. My parents Land Rover scratches easily (oops ), but it's still awesome for off-roading. Anyway, it's all about the mods. A 5.9L will clean up a 2.5RS in a straight line and still trail run with the best of them. True it's not the best handler, but throw on a small lift and some decent tires and it will still be fun. Oh don't get an Xterra, stock they are LESS good off-road than a Cherokee and can't be modded nearly as easily. Also, pick-ups have long over hangs and terrible departure angles, so be prepared to drag the ass or bob your truck. Anyway, here's a sweet 5.9 Limited...




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Old 02-19-2001, 08:14 AM   #16
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I actually just posted this picture a few minutes ago as a link, but here is my friend's 1991 (I think) Jeep in the mud at Myrtle Beach, SC. I drove my Outback through the side of the pit, last time I took my subie through there I came out with alot of broken parts, but it was all cosmetic (hehe). He got stuck about 3 seconds after this pic was taken.



For going offroad and in mud, I would MUCH rather have a Jeep with a real 4WD system than a subaru with AWD. I wouldn't feel very bad about sinking a jeep but I would be very upset if that happened to my subie.

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Old 02-19-2001, 09:42 AM   #17
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I thought I read somwhere that subaru was coming out with a sport truck. I can't remember the name of it, but it was going to be a more off road vehicle. Can someone help me out.
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Old 02-19-2001, 09:57 AM   #18
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STX concept cruck. I say cruck because it's like a car that's a truck. So maybe it's a trar?

Basically a turbo'd outback with a flatbed instead of wagon format. The concept vehicle also had a lightbar and some other goodies. Looked neat, and I think they are supposed to be putting the STX into production in the next few years.
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Old 02-19-2001, 01:06 PM   #19
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How about calling it the OutBrat? It's still AWD and still not really meant for hard core off roading, more for logging/forestry roads.

5.9 Limiteds are spendy. Expensive to purchase, expensive to insure, expensive to repair, and expensive to run (gas hog.)

My 4.7l is only like .5-.7 seconds slower to 60 that the 5.9. The 5.9 was only produced in 1998, so it's fairly rare. KBB on a '98 5.9 is about $25k, mine is supposedly $27k, but the market is crap right now because Daimler is flooding the area and offering rebates. Don't get me wrong... I'd like to pick up a 5.9 in a few years and mod one. That's the best thing about the older Grands... there IS an aftermarket for them. Stuff is just showing up now for the WJs.
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Old 02-19-2001, 01:52 PM   #20
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That's why I said if you can afford and find one. Personally I think the ZJs are better looking. I've never seen an ARB or similar bumper on a WJ, but I think it would look out of place. Any Grand Cherokee will probably be your best bet though.
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Old 02-19-2001, 02:56 PM   #21
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If you get a Jeep, then don't get a regular Cherokee. A friend of mine bought his and after taking it off-roading once, it had problems.
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