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Old 09-08-2003, 09:51 AM   #1
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Default Texas will be using a Points system for traffic violations

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/directo.../pr081903c.htm



I actually have no problem with the DWI surcharge. These people need to get off the road or have a designated driver.


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Old 09-08-2003, 10:46 AM   #2
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Thanks for the link to the official URL.

On the surface, this "points system" looks pretty reasonable.

I'm just concerned about whether this is simply the "first step" towards connecting these "points" to other more drastic actions.

As you said, we each need to keep "up to date" on all of this.

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Old 09-08-2003, 11:32 AM   #3
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I wouldn't doubt it. This type of surcharge is one of the only way that the state can increase revenue without increasing taxes.

It is really good for traffic/defense attorneys too, since this will force more trials for DWI/traffic offenses.

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I'm just concerned about whether this is simply the "first step" towards connecting these "points" to other more drastic actions.

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Old 09-08-2003, 11:43 AM   #4
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Points will not be assigned for speeding less than 10% over the posted limit or seat belt convictions.
if you get pulled over for going 10% over the speen limit, there's something wrong...
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Old 09-08-2003, 01:15 PM   #5
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You can determine the priority of these changes through what is written and what is not.

There is only one thing mentioned that will result in license suspension. It is NOT vehicle misdemeanor or felony; it is not paying your surcharge.

If the priority was safety and not revenue, then there wouldn't be the heavy emphasis on fines and surcharges, but more focus on license suspension.

There is a big difference between safe speeding (well maintained car and alert driver in light/no traffic) versus reckless speeding (excessive, unsafe lane changing, tailgating, going into oncoming traffic, etc...) and, once again, there is no recognition of this.
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Old 09-08-2003, 01:35 PM   #6
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This type of surcharge is one of the only way that the state can increase revenue without increasing taxes.
I dont think some one read this carefully....

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Who receives money from the surcharges

Each surcharge collected by the department under this law will be remitted to the Comptroller, on a monthly basis. Trauma centers and county and regional emergency medical services will receive 49.5 percent of the collected money, and the Texas Mobility fund will receive 49.5 percent of the collected money. The money that goes to trauma centers will be handled by the Texas Department of Health, while the Texas Department of Transportation will handle money going to the Mobility fund, which funds highway projects, including the TransTexas Corridor. The remaining one percent of the collected money will go to DPS for operation of the Driver Responsibility program.
i recently was notified that i had to many points to drive on city business....that sux...appearantly my moving violations all going in at once helped that...i have over ten i think....but they were before september
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Old 09-08-2003, 01:48 PM   #7
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If the priority was safety and not revenue, then there wouldn't be the heavy emphasis on fines and surcharges, but more focus on license suspension.
We have license suspensions now, they don't do any good. Look how many people still drive with those suspended licenses! Now this hits them in the pocket book... and hits them hard... and since the money is marked to go to trauma centers which have to deal with those caught in accidents resulting from these violations, what is so bad about that?

The law makers are trying something new... something that looks better than just writing dozens of tickets for the same offenses to the same people... maybe this will do a little better?
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Old 09-08-2003, 01:50 PM   #8
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just because the money is earmarked doesn't mean anyting

that is one of the ways that goverment "sells" a tax increase, by making it sound like it is something charitable

the points thing is just a tax increase, nothing more, nothing less

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I dont think some one read this carefully....

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Old 09-08-2003, 01:59 PM   #9
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the points thing is just a tax increase, nothing more, nothing less
But unlike a state income tax YOU get to CHOOSE if you get signed up for this one or not....
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Old 09-08-2003, 02:01 PM   #10
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We have license suspensions now, they don't do any good. Look how many people still drive with those suspended licenses! Now this hits them in the pocket book... and hits them hard... and since the money is marked to go to trauma centers which have to deal with those caught in accidents resulting from these violations, what is so bad about that?

The law makers are trying something new... something that looks better than just writing dozens of tickets for the same offenses to the same people... maybe this will do a little better?
we also have fines as well as DWI suspensions as well. but that doesn't do anything. what happens if they can't pay the fine...nothing really. they just get another fine or whatever. if safety was really the concern, then rich people don't care(they have money) and the poor people don't give a rats ass anyway and hate the system. you have to make unsafe acts a disruption to their lives. jail time(or something similar) is the only answer. sorry to say it but yeah, if you start throwing people in jail because they are repeat speeding or whatever...they may miss thier big meeting, not make it to work, miss the kids graduation, miss whatever. then and only then will they give a rats ass as to wheather they are going to speed, drive without a license, or go to the bar to get hammered and then drive home. more money is not the answer to fixing the problem....but it is to answer to the state getting what it wants.
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Old 09-08-2003, 02:05 PM   #11
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We have license suspensions now, they don't do any good. Look how many people still drive with those suspended licenses! Now this hits them in the pocket book... and hits them hard... and since the money is marked to go to trauma centers which have to deal with those caught in accidents resulting from these violations, what is so bad about that?

The law makers are trying something new... something that looks better than just writing dozens of tickets for the same offenses to the same people... maybe this will do a little better?
I agree with you. Money is the universal language that even idiots with numerous DWIs can comprehend. And, I think Allen was pointing out something that could have made this stronger, not that it was necessarily a bad thing.
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Old 09-08-2003, 02:07 PM   #12
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But unlike a state income tax YOU get to CHOOSE if you get signed up for this one or not....
True .....
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I agree with Jeff and Wheeler.

In addition, you can CHOOSE to avoid, even legally, any tax. That doesn't make excessive taxation, in whatever form, just.
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Old 09-08-2003, 02:14 PM   #14
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Well, I hate to admit it, but I see your point. Jail time for DWIs will be the only real deterrent, IMO. But, money will make people think a little more before taking that last one for the road.
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Old 09-08-2003, 02:22 PM   #15
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I agree with you. Money is the universal language that even idiots with numerous DWIs can comprehend. And, I think Allen was pointing out something that could have made this stronger, not that it was necessarily a bad thing.
To clarify, I have no problem with getting drunk drivers off the road. This plan, however, is just another money grab by the gov't, IMO.

I have a big problem with kooks defining the terms of conversation or debate. An example of this is the billboards that read: Drink, Drive, Go to Jail. Notice that it doesn't read: Get Drunk, Drive, Go to Jail. This is BS and being pushed by groups like MADD that want a return to prohibition, I believe.

Drinking is legal and perfectly fine (if you are of age). Driving is legal, too (if you are of age and have a license and have "registered" your car (hey, another tax, imagine that) and it passes inspection, etc). Driving after having a beer or a glass of wine is fine, too, assuming that you are below the limit.

FYI: there are lots of other examples of a loss of the language, like "homophobia", "high-capacity magazine", "pro choice", etc...
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...or even the lottery....(tell me that you don't think that the lotto is a tax...c'mon)

we Texans like regressive taxes, the po' love to play the lotto and can't afford to hire slick traffic attorneys like my buddy Robert at the club

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just because the money is earmarked doesn't mean anyting

that is one of the ways that goverment "sells" a tax increase, by making it sound like it is something charitable

the points thing is just a tax increase, nothing more, nothing less

i should have put the at the end of my sentence...i apologize ... ...and yes i meant it in a sarcastic manner...and was gonna make the same point you made...
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Old 09-08-2003, 06:14 PM   #18
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...or even the lottery....(tell me that you don't think that the lotto is a tax...c'mon)
And just like the lotto, I will not be participating in this tax.
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you can't win if you don't play and yes, I'm a professional mathematcian who typically doesn't gamble (except for the $2 nassau at the club)

you can't put a price on hope

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And just like the lotto, I will not be participating in this tax.
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Old 09-09-2003, 10:08 PM   #20
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if you get pulled over for going 10% over the speen limit, there's something wrong...
That is only 5.5 mph @ posted 55mph... 6mph @ Posted 60mph...

You will get run over doing 55/60 on I35 between 6am and 8am.
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you can't win if you don't play and yes, I'm a professional mathematcian who typically doesn't gamble (except for the $2 nassau at the club)

you can't put a price on hope

If I play, one dollar buys me a piece of paper to throw away.

If I don't play, one dollar buys me a 20oz Mountain Dew.
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