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Old 09-08-2003, 01:00 PM   #1
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Default Was anyone here at the alfa day yesterday?

I took the cobra out to the Alfa day at PR yesterday and there was quite a few WRXs present, including a Blue STi. I ran up against the STi a couple of times, but he promptly kicked the crap out of me. It was an impressive car.

Was anyone else out there?
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Old 09-08-2003, 01:40 PM   #2
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Damn you Todd…I tried to get in but I was too late with my registration. Didn’t get the WRX out this time hunh?

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Old 09-08-2003, 02:13 PM   #3
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I was out there in the Silver WRX wagon. My friend Bob was in the Blue WRX wagon.
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Old 09-08-2003, 02:18 PM   #4
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I tried to get in too. Next year, I'll try earlier.

Do they enforce the rule about having to wear gloves, long sleeve shirts and long pants?

I'd be uncomfy on a hot day.

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Old 09-08-2003, 02:50 PM   #5
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This is the 1st time any club has enforced the clothing rules for me this year. Yes you had to have long sleeves, pants and gloves.

They sold leather gardening gloves for $10 if you did not have a set. So it would be wise to get yourself a pair of your choice.

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Old 09-08-2003, 03:04 PM   #6
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I was out there in the Silver WRX wagon. My friend Bob was in the Blue WRX wagon.
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I kept meaning to talk to you guys, but I didn't get a chance before you left.

What kind of brake pads were you using? How did they hold up?

What kind of lap times did you guys turn? My best times were in the 1:55 range....nothing spectacular.

Once I get some tires and brake pads I plan on taking the WRX out.
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Old 09-08-2003, 03:24 PM   #7
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I was driving the Blue STi in the B group along with a more experienced friend in the A group. He did however do some rallying on T5 as he tried to reel in the insanely fast guy driving the black WRX sedan. My friend no longer has the privilege to drive my STi as I left with a peppered wheel and rear inner fender. Aside from nearly having to pull my car off a tire wall and Greg Downing's attempt to let some air out of my tire , I had a great time. I think my fastest time was a 1:45 while my former codriver was a 1:43.

I got a lot of video footage and posted a little of it on the STi forum. I plan on compressing entire laps this evening. ***Here*** is the little portion that I was able to get online.

I found the STi at home on the track and much more forgiving than my Integra. I could brake, corner, and accelerate harder than the Integra ever could. Not only that but any mistake could be corrected with more/less throttle, braking, and/or steering. This car can make the mediocre driver (such as myself) look like a pro. I could blast down into T2 at 130-140 and stop as late or later than I would in my Integra coming in at 110-120. My biggest gripe would be the 6 spd. I had to go from 6th to 3rd coming into T2 and from 5th to 2nd (although not as necessary) coming into T3 and from 5th to 3rd going into T5 as you will see in the video. Sure more gears are better but this car has so much low end torque that a 5 spd would be adequate. However, I am very happy with the extra cog. I used to set my rev alarm at 6k but found it very annoying beeping at me midturn when I didn't care to shift. I later moved it to 6.5k and it was better. However, there were instances were I would stay pegged at the rev limiter. There was a guy running an Evo there. I would of liked to hitch a ride but we were in the same session. I also noticed that upon releasing the throttle, the car would rev up similar to a throttle blip. If you watch/listen to the video carefully you will hear the revs go up and the alarm flash after I lift to upshift. Does anyone know if this is normal?
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Old 09-08-2003, 03:27 PM   #8
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Marcopaco, any chance you got any video of any of the times you kicked my ass? I was in the white 95 Cobra.
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Old 09-08-2003, 04:13 PM   #9
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I was driving the Blue STi in the B group along with a more experienced friend in the A group. He did however do some rallying on T5 as he tried to reel in the insanely fast guy driving the black WRX sedan. My friend no longer has the privilege to drive my STi as I left with a peppered wheel and rear inner fender. Aside from nearly having to pull my car off a tire wall and Greg Downing's attempt to let some air out of my tire , I had a great time. I think my fastest time was a 1:45 while my former codriver was a 1:43.

I got a lot of video footage and posted a little of it on the STi forum. I plan on compressing entire laps this evening. ***Here*** is the little portion that I was able to get online.

I found the STi at home on the track and much more forgiving than my Integra. I could brake, corner, and accelerate harder than the Integra ever could. Not only that but any mistake could be corrected with more/less throttle, braking, and/or steering. This car can make the mediocre driver (such as myself) look like a pro. I could blast down into T2 at 130-140 and stop as late or later than I would in my Integra coming in at 110-120. My biggest gripe would be the 6 spd. I had to go from 6th to 3rd coming into T2 and from 5th to 2nd (although not as necessary) coming into T3 and from 5th to 3rd going into T5 as you will see in the video. Sure more gears are better but this car has so much low end torque that a 5 spd would be adequate. However, I am very happy with the extra cog. I used to set my rev alarm at 6k but found it very annoying beeping at me midturn when I didn't care to shift. I later moved it to 6.5k and it was better. However, there were instances were I would stay pegged at the rev limiter. There was a guy running an Evo there. I would of liked to hitch a ride but we were in the same session. I also noticed that upon releasing the throttle, the car would rev up similar to a throttle blip. If you watch/listen to the video carefully you will hear the revs go up and the alarm flash after I lift to upshift. Does anyone know if this is normal?
I don't suppose that you got any of that on video? I was the driver of the Black WRX. No love lost. Sorry that your friend scatched up your car. I ended up bouncing off the rumble strip into 5 and lost air pressure in my left front. Everything else seems to be just fine. These cars are very durable.

In regards to the throttle blip, I have heard other STi's do that. rlavalle was out on a track day that i watched at and it was really noticeable because of his Scooby Sport exhaust. I am thinking it might have something to do with the drive-by-wire throttle.

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Old 09-08-2003, 04:17 PM   #10
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I don't suppose that you got any of that on video? I was the driver of the Black WRX.

-Kris
Don't take this the wrong way, but you need to get off people's asses when you come up on them. It's one thing to drive in someone's trunk if they don't let you pass, but it's quite another to do it before they even get a chance to let you by.

BTW - Nice car.
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Old 09-08-2003, 04:24 PM   #11
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That is the way I drive on the track. I get the same thing done to me by faster cars. I don't take it personally and neither should you.

And thanks for the compliment

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Old 09-08-2003, 04:32 PM   #12
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That is the way I drive on the track. I get the same thing done to me by faster cars. I don't take it personally and neither should you.

-Kris

I don't take it personally, but it's a pretty discourteous thing to do to your fellow drivers. Especially in a lapping day. What if the guy in front of you bites it as a result of you breathing down his neck? You'll have nowhere to go but right into him. Besides, what do you gain by doing that? If the person is going as fast as they can go, and there isn't a passing zone nearby, what good does following them that closely do?

I can understand doing that to someone who is too stubborn to let you pass, but not when someone doesn't even have the chance to do so.

FWIW - You never did it to me.
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Old 09-08-2003, 04:38 PM   #13
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Hi guys--I was at the track with my old 1969 white 911 (the one with the wing)--had a lot of fun, and enjoyed seeing the WRXs/STI/EVO at the track. Those Alfa boys know how to have a good time, and it was a super event. Markpaco---I love the reference to your "former co-driver". In all the years I have been at the track, I have only let my mechanic and a fellow racer drive my car, both of whom were very experienced and better drivers than I am. I figure if the car is going to be damaged it will be done by me and not a "friend"!!!Sounds like you got off lucky as turn five can be pretty unforgiving. The STI and EVO looked great out there. They do, however, sound lame. You gotta do something to uncork that great boxer sound! Of course, my car is loud enough for the whole track. By the way, best I could do was 1:45. Best I have ever done is 1:42 something and that was on Hoosiers, so the STI is plenty fast (my old car is about 2200lb/250hp). Did you see the chief drivering instructor (Wes Inghram) did a 1:43 in his beautiful old Alfa GTV vintage racer. Bet he didn't break much--obviously a fantastic driver. Think about it--you have 300hp/300ft and he's got probably half the power and did same lap time!
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Old 09-08-2003, 04:58 PM   #14
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On a similar note, is anyone planning on going to the Bremerton Alfa day in October?
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Old 09-08-2003, 05:09 PM   #15
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Hey folks,

I was also at the Alfa day yesterday. Mostly instructing, but also playing with our 65 Mustang. It is the low man on our track car totem poll, so does not see as much love as it should Just tooling around fighting with the damn carb.

I was right behind the STi when you went off at T5. NICE SAVE! Whether or not it was the driver or if it was the "beauty of AWD" that saved your ass, it was an impressive off. All four wheels were scratching for traction and kicking up dirt. Your car almost bought it. Buy a lotto ticket today!

Guys, my 1st gen RX7 with 100 hp at the *flywheel* and 185/60/13 tires can turn 1:45's at Pacific. Better step it up if you want to run with the big dogs

Oh and the Black WRX. I hate to say this, but you where the talk of the paddock (and have been in the past). Everyone pretty much agrees that what you do (tailing other cars that close) at a lapping day is not cool at all. Some are cool with it (like me, but I am a road racer and used to driving within inches and feet of other cars all the time) <wow, aren't I cool >. But sport drivers at lapping days typically are not used to this, do not appreciate it and generally look down on drivers that do. They quickly forget how fast you are and only remember that you were tailing them.

If the driver ahead of you misses a shift, or has a bobble, you are going to collect him/her. Been there, done that, got the scratches on my bumper. Not cool and not worth it. You have nothing to gain and everything to lose with this technique. It would be more worth your while to get "into range" but leave yourself a gap. Then, when you are coming out of the corner that leads to the passing zone, you can get a run on them and carry more exit speed. Your car has great power... don't rely on it.

Oh, your car is beautiful and sounds great. See you at the next one.

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Old 09-08-2003, 05:32 PM   #16
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Kris, I did take it personally, I was out there and have been around a lot of fast cars and am quite used to being followed closely, but the distance that you followed was a bit offensive. You cannot know how much track time I have and how confident I am in my abilities. If you would have known that I have only done a handful of track days and only 2 at PR, you may have thought twice about your following distances, I would have. Any rookie mistake on my part and we would have had two bent cars.

Anyway, your car looked and sounded GREAT! and you are darn fast. Just thought you would want to know.

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On a similar note, is anyone planning on going to the Bremerton Alfa day in October?
Bring it on. Maybe I will have the Miata done enough for some "testing". Don't forget your treaded tires

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Old 09-08-2003, 05:39 PM   #18
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Damn, I wish I could have gotten in. I was at Pacific Raceways a few weeks ago and managed to get a 1:44.89 after relearning the line via the self teaching method.

Kris, sounds like you were pretty fast... what mods do you have on your car?

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Old 09-08-2003, 05:56 PM   #19
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Ok, ok. Consider this a formal apology then. I do not intend to offend anyone with my driving styles. I was speaking with a friend of mine and he agreed that maybe a little more distance would be safer for everyone. I conceded that maybe I need to get into a racecar if I intend to push the limits like that. By no means do I want to come off cocky etc. I like to drive fast and put my car to the limits. I will do better in the future to be aware of others.

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Ok, ok. Consider this a formal apology then. I do not intend to offend anyone with my driving styles. I was speaking with a friend of mine and he agreed that maybe a little more distance would be safer for everyone. I conceded that maybe I need to get into a racecar if I intend to push the limits like that. By no means do I want to come off cocky etc. I like to drive fast and put my car to the limits. I will do better in the future to be aware of others.

-Kris
Welcome to the club Kris! Sounds like you have been biten by go fast bug. Next time you are out, I'll want a ride.
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Kris, what sorts of times were you getting?

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Kris,

Apology taken. You really were darn fast out there it was enjoyable to watch you.

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I would love to give rides, but you will have to fight over it with my girlfriend She loves to ride with me, really

rlavalle - I do not know what sort of times I was getting yesterday. I opted not to carry a transponder. In the past I have been in the 1:40.0's to 1:41.0's. It is always a learning process for me. I really want to get a set of r-compound tires and a clear track and see what I can do. The car really performs well. I've heard some drivers from Portland are lapping in the 1:30's in their WRX's. By the way, I met you at the track about a week after I got my WRX back from Cascade.

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Apology taken. You really were darn fast out there it was enjoyable to watch you.

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Thanks, Jon.

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Damn... those are some awesome times. Turbo, brake & suspension upgrades, I assume.

See ya,
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