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Old 10-16-2000, 08:30 PM   #1
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Post Passing Double Yellow in PA

According to the law in PA, as long as you do not pass where there is a sign that says "Do not pass" you can pass accross two yellow lines! There are some restrictions, but for all purposes, you can do it. I never knew that...

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Old 10-16-2000, 08:54 PM   #2
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Isn't there a little booklet that has this sort of information, and you're expected to know it and pass a test to get your driver's license in that state? Maybe not.

Hint: here in Kansas, along with each of our neighbor states, double yellow always means NO PASSING. Sometimes there are signs for the daft.
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Old 10-17-2000, 12:21 AM   #3
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Thats odd... the cali rule book says "no passing in double yellow lines" you can pass in "dotted yellow" only. Usually theres a reason for it, like the street is too busy or theres a corner... so DONT risk it!
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Old 10-17-2000, 05:12 AM   #4
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Hehe, that's kinda like the stop-signs with white borders are optional (that's a joke, they all have white borders).

To answer your question, No. The "Do not pass" signs ARE for the daft people and usually follow passing zones to let people know that they can no longer pass. If you pass across double yellows you better be sure no cop sees you.

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Old 10-17-2000, 05:35 AM   #5
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Hey SubyPrez20,

There's a bridge in Brooklyn for sale, I'll let you have it for a good price....

Sorry, but your post makes you seem a little gullible. Where did you get that info?
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Old 10-17-2000, 06:13 AM   #6
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You cannot pass legally on a double yellow line in pa..
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Old 10-17-2000, 06:17 AM   #7
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You can not pass legally on a double yellow line in PA, NJ, VA.....ANYWHERE in the US of A.
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Old 10-17-2000, 06:28 AM   #8
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Actually, this makes me think of something I overheard over a few drinks the other day.

Here in Chicago on the major highways, the LEFT shoulder has a yellow solid line bordering it, and the RIGHT shoulder has a white solid line.

Some guy who just moved to Chicago from Arizona was saying that in Arizona, the white line designates that you can drive on the shoulder when there is traffic.

Now this sounded kind of odd to me because the shoulder is supposed to be a sort of safety area, and all we need are guys doing 90 down it

I was going to look it up in the Illinois Rules of the Road, but never got around to any of it.
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Old 10-17-2000, 07:10 AM   #9
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I found out something interesting the other day, which was never taught in drivers ed... If your car breaks down or you get pulloed over, it is illegal to pull off to the left of the highway. If you get in an accident while you are pulled off to the left, it is considered your fault.
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Old 10-17-2000, 07:16 AM   #10
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Along my 50 stinking mile commute, there are several stretches that once had dotted yellow lines with the triangular passing and no passing zone signs. The dotted lines have since been painted over with double yellow, meaning it is no longer a passing zone. However, the signs are still there (PA has the *worst* street signage). This is probably the source of your confusion, as PA eliminates passing zones without removing the corresponding signs.

Of course, I would never cross that double yellow just because that stretch was once considered a safe passing area...
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Old 10-17-2000, 07:58 AM   #11
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SubyPrez: Don't pass on a double yellow! The statute is a bit misleading. A double yellow line counts as a "posted no-passing zone", the line itself indicating the no-passing zone. A sign is not required! The statute does make it sound like one is though, but a double yellow line is a "traffic control device".
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Old 10-17-2000, 01:49 PM   #12
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Old 10-17-2000, 01:52 PM   #13
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Now now, put away the flags...

If you read these laws carefully, they contradict themselves...i posted this last night, before leaving work...and i just now got here, ... so there was no defending my post hehe.

Im not saying its the way the heading of the post states it...but read those three laws, and it kinda makes me wonder...

later,
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Old 10-17-2000, 02:00 PM   #14
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Two officers I have spoken with in PA have both said that passing on a double yellow is legal as long as there is "prudent" room to do so (long, wide straight) and you can see no other oncoming traffic or any other car in front of the person you're passing.

Multiple cow-orkers have told me this as well. Do I believe it? Hell no. There's nothing about it on the PA Dept. of Transportation's Web site. I'll look over those law URLs posted above.

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Old 10-17-2000, 02:06 PM   #15
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This is where the confusion stems from:

Quote:
3301. Driving on right side of roadway

(a) General rule.-Upon all roadways of sufficient width, a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway except as follows:

2. When an obstruction exists making it necessary to drive to the left of the center of the roadway, providing the driver yields the right-of-way to all vehicles traveling in the proper direction upon the unobstructed portion of the roadway within such distance as to constitute a hazard.
So, what constitutes a hazard? Someone doing 10 MPH in a 50 MPH zone? I think so. I routinely pass vehicles that are doing less than half the speed limit when it's safe to do so. Garbage trucks, huge trucks doing 20 MPH up huge hills in a 55 MPH zone, etc. Will I pass someone on a double yellow who's doing 5 MPH under? I think not...that is hardly a hazard.

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Old 10-17-2000, 02:09 PM   #16
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So I will assume at least someone sees my point in SOME way or another? RSchwarzwalder, where are you at on this one, your a PA officer correct? Would someone doing 10 in a 45 be a legit excuse?

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Old 10-17-2000, 02:40 PM   #17
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You all should come live within Philly city limits where that kind of stuff is irrelevant! Nobody really seems to care what double yellow lines, yeild signs, stop signs, red lights, turn lanes, lane markers or posted speed limits mean! 70% of the drivers aren't insured, so in the seemingly rare occaision where they actually get caught the red light they ran is the least of their concerns. I can't go outside without seeing at least a few scawflaws behind the wheel doing nutty things (we won't get into my city driving habits ).

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I'll take that as a yes...
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